AFL Autopsy Round 5: 49 Point loss to Collingwood

[eighties_bomber]

Worsefold deserves to get some heat. He never seems to from not only this forum but in the media. He coached the Eagles team well in the mid 2000s, bit in reality that was over a decade ago. To me, he's been a fail so far, when werew on we are pretty good but when werew off, we are absolutely dismal. He never has a back up plan when we're getting crushed by an opposition. That sounds alarm bells to me. I'd say nearly every other coach can change things up during the game but he can't seem to. Weather that's his coaching or the players being dyslexic who knows? But as I said he deserves to be under the pump.

i agree....and are our line coaches and assisstants up to standard? development of our younger guys is an issue too. other clubs seem to be able to fast track the players they need a lot better than we do it seems and our coaches are slow to react or refuse to implement a plan B until its too late... mix that with poor leadership on field and its no wonder we are so inconsistant.

 

[hurlygurdy]

This is true when our skills are poor, as they were yesterday. This gave the Pies the ascendancy and, once we were two men down, we were playing the game on their terms. Had our skills been better in the first term, they would not have got those 4 freaky goals and we might have have a couple more that we missed through poor skills.

We wouldn't need as much manic effort if our skills were better. At the start of the game, a lot of our errors were unforced.

At the beginning of the game our skills are variable, but as the game progresses i think our skills start to reflect the pressure we are under.
We are pumped up at the start of any game and tend to have the potential to jump out to an early lead based on some skilful and mercurial play, but then the game inevitably settles into whatever each side is offering on a whole team basis. That's when we don't have the answers.

 

[yodellinhank]

It's the only story. Had our players been willing to work as hard as theirs then we'd have been in the game. Not argy bargy, chest shoving bullshit, hard work.

Our team could do with some more physical types though. We struggle to break tackles, we often fail to stick tackles and we can't open up space for our team mates by blocking, shepherding or knocking people over.

 

[Summer Nights]

You seem to have this weird idea that puffing your chest out and players telling an opponent to **** off a couple of times and laying a couple hip and shoulders is some mysterious progenitor from which everything else flows.

Like some magic alchemic effect almost.

It doesn't actually work like that. We could be more aggressive at times, yes, but our issues go way, way beyond a few dudes not laying little hip and shoulders and snarling.

Have you played in and been successful in a physical sport before? It does actually matter mate. It makes a big real difference to team psyche.

 

[naraku]

Has Woosha developed a game plan for outside etihad ? Dogs aside, we look relatively good there but abhorrent elsewhere.

 

[Doss]

Have you played in and been successful in a physical sport before? It does actually matter mate. It makes a big deal deference to team psyche.

Yep, I have. It’s not that be all and end all. If it was, you could reel off any number of teams who would have been far more successful than they ultimately were.

You can be as physical and remonstrate as much as you like; if your skills and game plan are crap, it won’t mean much.

There is a distinction between being a physically tough side, and getting sidetracked into needless silly stuff.

 

[Wangawuti]

I feel like we're the 'Ronda Rousey' of the AFL at the moment.
Luckily she made her money early in her career and can now enjoy the WWE
Luckily we made our money in the Sheedy era and can now enjoy the eSports industry

 

[chrisdon16]

I feel like we're the 'Ronda Rousey' of the AFL at the moment.
Luckily she made her money early in her career and can now enjoy the WWE
Luckily we made our money in the Sheedy era and can now enjoy the eSports industry

Terrible comparison. Rhonda Rousey has guts

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Watch her training video for WWE she trains like an animal.

 

[ant555]

Our team could do with some more physical types though. We struggle to break tackles, we often fail to stick tackles and we can't open up space for our team mates by blocking, shepherding or knocking people over.

On the money. Too many nice players. No hard edge players.
Have a look at our last premiership side and compare the hard nuts to what we have now ...

 

[boncer34]

Terrible comparison. Rhonda Rousey has guts

Lol what?

The loud mouth trash talker who belted nobodies before finally running into somebody useful, getting whooped, disappearing, coming back, learning nothing, getting whooped again before retiring to the WWE Rhonda?

 

[Wangawuti]

Terrible comparison. Rhonda Rousey has guts

Playing through to the end of the game with 2 rotations down knowing there's more pain in 4 days time is pretty gutsy. A one trick pony with limited skills and a poor strategy will be exposed eventually. That pretty much sums up her MMA career and the start of our season.

 

[MarkG]

You suspect wrong.

Good to hear that you have played. Wednesdays game was like a final. Have you ever played in a final?

What did we do wrong apart from not being hard at the ball as you say? I actually though that we were hard
at the ball. We have a lot of young players including our best players. If you are playing against a side with a
lot of highly skilled young players like Essendon has how would you approach the game? Get in their heads. Harass
them. Play on the edge without getting reported... be unsociable! Whack them at every opportunity. Exactly what Collingwood
did.

I also follow basketball. Did you see what Miami tried to do the same to 76ers? Similar mindset. But Ben Simmons (Bomber
supporter) stood up, copped it and gave it back. We do not give it back, just got bullied and put up with it. Merrett is an absolute star
and needs some help physically. He got knocked out against Adelaide and lay motionless for 15-30 seconds and not a single player
came to his aid. Backhanded by McIntosh and concussed and not a single player remonstrated.

What did Sydney Swans do last year that tore us apart in the Elimination Final? They bullied us, bashed us up. Which Essendon players
stood up?

Where has Essendon improved to overcome this?

 

[MarkG]

It's the only story. Had our players been willing to work as hard as theirs then we'd have been in the game. Not argy bargy, chest shoving bullshit, hard work.

Players follow the game plan. If the game plan says not to man up, they won't.

Re your argy bargy comment, you obviously have never played the game.

 

[Doss]

Mark, maybe you should stop making assumptions about whether people have played the game or not.

In any case, you don’t need to have played the game to be able to comment on it. It’s a non-sequitur.

 

[MarkG]

We understand plenty mate. Toughness somehow = wins.

But you make shit up time and time again to prove a point and it's fun to take you up on it.

Oh and I would LOVE to see you in a pair of footy boots.

Very personal comments Dapper. I have played the game! Different to you I suspect.

If it feels good, keep tugging it mate.

 

[MarkG]

Mate I've been at the very coal face of our game. The AFL 9's team which I was the captain/coach of went 2 seasons undefeated and we never once had to resort to your thuggish sounding tactics.

Are you allowed to tackle in the 9's game?

 

[jmoo wan]

these “have you ever played the game, mate?” arguments are about as desperate and useless as religion.

 

[chrisdon16]

Wheather you've "played the game" or not is and always will be an irrelevant argument. No one has played AFL level football here so anyone that has kicked a ball on the street at half time has "played the game". Pathetic argument.

 

[Mr_McBoogerBalls]

Nothing wrong with getting a bit more physical. It won’t necessarily solve our teams on field issues, but it’s a weakness nonetheless.

Our issue is that the players either don’t understand the gameplan (which would explain why they look confused as all ****) or that the gameplan is being carried out correctly and simply doesn’t work.

We were ball watching all day, didn’t chase down the opposition which meant there were no second and third contested efforts, allowing Collingwood to keep possession and dominate the scoreboard.

I’m not one for being pessimistic, but losses like that are an absolute drainer to experience.

 

[DapperJong]

Very personal comments Dapper. I have played the game! Different to you I suspect.

If it feels good, keep tugging it mate.

Who are you? I might have your footy card.

 

[Dave]

Players follow the game plan. If the game plan says not to man up, they won't.

I’m not sure the game plan allows for letting players run into attack without being pressured.

Re your argy bargy comment, you obviously have never played the game.

Played from the age of 14 to 33. First game at senior level I engaged in the argy bargy against a kid in an attempt to intimidate him. All it got me was a bloody hard whack from one of their blokes as well as a few of my own team mates telling me to pull my head in. Oh and the kid pantsed me. Never did it again. Never threw a punch. Never did me any harm in being competitive. There’s a difference between being hard at the ball and engaging in push and shove.

And telling people you’ve never met they obviously never played because they disagree with you is cheap. And childish.

 

[Summer Nights]

Yep, I have. It’s not that be all and end all. If it was, you could reel off any number of teams who would have been far more successful than they ultimately were.

You can be as physical and remonstrate as much as you like; if your skills and game plan are crap, it won’t mean much.

There is a distinction between being a physically tough side, and getting sidetracked into needless silly stuff.

I know it’s not the be all and end all. I just said it makes a big difference, because it does. Not sniping/cheating bullshit, but tough, crunching tackles and body collisions.

 

[Snake Charmer]

Who are you? I might have your footy card.

Are you still playing in Sydney Dapper? We might meet on the footy field with all the comp changes

 

[DapperJong]

Are you still playing in Sydney Dapper? We might meet on the footy field with all the comp changes

Nah, career ending injury last year. I could give it another go but I think I'm too old now hahaha