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Free Agent # 6: Joe Daniher (part 1)

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Doss said:
I still felt watching at the ground yesterday that something is physically awry. His spring is just not there as it should be. He still get some elevation, but it's a pale comparison to what he was doing in 2016 and 2017.
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and as you were saying up the page, is it enough for a rest? no because players all through the league play with ailments.

but, a Joe without spring is not Joe, its his main weapon, the thing that masks all his flaws - without the spring there isn't a lot left.
 
Howard Moon said:
and as you were saying up the page, is it enough for a rest? no because players all through the league play with ailments.

but, a Joe without spring is not Joe, its his main weapon, the thing that masks all his flaws - without the spring there isn't a lot left.
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I wouldn't agree there isn't a lot left. That's selling him well short. But it does rob him of his real point of difference.

I suspect a rest of one week isn't going to magically fix whatever it is that's ailing him; that's the other thing.
 
Doss said:
I wouldn't agree there isn't a lot left. That's selling him well short. But it does rob him of his real point of difference.

I suspect a rest of one week isn't going to magically fix whatever it is that's ailing him; that's the other thing.
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I guess we have bemoaned the fact for a few years that I loves to stand behind and ask for the ball over the top - the spring inevitably masks this flaw in his make up.

Maybe now he gets forced on his bike more, and gives him another bow for later ?
 
Joe's not just out of form, he has a fundamental goal kicking issues that he's had for years.

He got away with it last year with sheer number of shots on goal but when things are lean and he's only getting 2 or 3 shots on goal he needs to be able to capitalise.

Didn't even look likely from 25 meters out directly in front yesterday.
 

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Doss said:
I still felt watching at the ground yesterday that something is physically awry. His spring is just not there as it should be. He still get some elevation, but it's a pale comparison to what he was doing in 2016 and 2017.
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It was most noticeable in the Port match. He doesn't look comfortable out there.
 
Doss said:
I wouldn't agree there isn't a lot left. That's selling him well short. But it does rob him of his real point of difference.

I suspect a rest of one week isn't going to magically fix whatever it is that's ailing him; that's the other thing.
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He doesn't really make many leads either; on the lead he's one of the hardest players to spoil regardless of whether he can get the real elevation.

Trying to sit off the back of a pack and launch over the top is dumb football, irrespective of whether he's injured or not.

Ben Brown is a similar height, and even without Joe's leap he's extremely difficult to spoil because he makes good leads.
 
owen87 said:
He doesn't really make many leads either; on the lead he's one of the hardest players to spoil regardless of whether he can get the real elevation.

Trying to sit off the back of a pack and launch over the top is dumb football, irrespective of whether he's injured or not.

Ben Brown is a similar height, and even without Joe's leap he's extremely difficult to spoil because he makes good leads.
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From what I've seen there is a significant difference in the way Brown and Daniher are used. North seems to me to be holding Brown back a lot closer to goal. He has a very simple role to just lead at the footy.

Daniher and Stewart seem to be static in zones that leave them in 'no mans' land' a lot. Most of the jumping from behind a pack is either because he has a run at the ball (and its fair enough) or because the kick isn't to his advantage. He's already put in a lead, which may have been half hearted or just short, and then works back when the ball is kicked.
 
It’s been so blatantly obvious watching him from the ground this year that he’s injured. As others have mentioned he’s lost his spring, turn of pace and is really struggling to get to enough contests. I would rather not see him again for a couple of months & come back healthy, than watch the him continue to lose the last drops of confidence he still possesses.
 
If people don't want him in the ruck the release him to a wing. Do something so we are giving our opponents a different look and freeing up the players a bit.

Send Hooker forward and let the chips fall where they may with Hartley and Amby down back with Derp dropping back to fill the holes.
 
CBombers17 said:
If people don't want him in the ruck the release him to a wing. Do something so we are giving our opponents a different look and freeing up the players a bit.

Send Hooker forward and let the chips fall where they may with Hartley and Amby down back with Derp dropping back to fill the holes.
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Would rather rest Daniher if he's injured and just play McKernan to be honest. Hooker, Hurley and Ambrose all looked solid down back, it's further up the field killing us at the moment.

Backline of:

McNiece - Hooker - Ambrose
Saad - Hurley - McKenna

Not sure how to solve the Daniher issues; he's either injured and might need a rest, or so horribly out of form that we either drop him or are stuck with persisting until he sorts himself out.
 

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BrunoV said:
Posted in Laverde thread so sorry for repetition but he wasn't even practising his goal kicking routine in the pre-match.

It's no wonder that he doesn't know what to do when he gets a set shot.

There's only one way to kick a set shot consistently and that to have an obsessive routine.
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The funny (and aggravating) thing is I remember his uncle doing a radio interview years ago and he said exactly this.

He was asked what it was like to be at Collingwood given his Essendon history, the differences etc. and he said biggest difference was having to drag tarrant out to have set shot practice, whereas Lloydy would put all the extra work in without prompting.
 
yodellinhank said:
The funny (and aggravating) thing is I remember his uncle doing a radio interview years ago and he said exactly this.

He was asked what it was like to be at Collingwood given his Essendon history, the differences etc. and he said biggest difference was having to drag tarrant out to have set shot practice, whereas Lloydy would put all the extra work in without prompting.
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Are you talking about Jayden's uncle or TD?
 
Joe's alarming fall from grace - http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-01/the-stats-files-joes-alarming-fall-from-grace
THE GRAVITY of Joe Daniher's alarming fall from grace was put into focus under the Etihad Stadium roof on Sunday.

Daniher's Essendon teammates targeted him only twice inside 50 in their latest loss to Melbourne, his lowest in a match since round 22, 2015.

Recruit Jake Stringer (11 targets) and Jayden Laverde and Jackson Merrett (three each) all received more love.

That meagre number equated to just 7.4 per cent of the Bombers' inside 50 targets, compared to a whopping 35 per cent in the corresponding clash with the Demons in round six last year.

Daniher's 3.67 inside 50 targets per game this season are lower than even his debut 2013 campaign (4.6), after averaging more than six the past three years.

They plunged again since Cale Hooker shifted back into defence full-time in round four, and the drop-off comes despite no obvious change in his role or Essendon's playing style from 2017.

Daniher's one-on-one targets of 4.3 per match is higher than the past two seasons, but his win rate has plummeted from 40 per cent last year to just 31 per cent.

His percentage of involvements leading to a score and percentage of scores involved in have also both slipped significantly.

Melbourne great Garry Lyon suggested on SEN's breakfast program on Monday that the Bombers were "taking the option not to kick to him".

"I don't reckon (Demons defender) Oscar (McDonald) had too many nervous moments with Joe, because Joe didn't get to the dangerous positions," Lyon said.

"So it's (a lack of) work-rate, intent and game knowledge."

Daniher's best and worst was on display that day in 2017 when he was such a prime target in the Bombers' attack.

He took four contested marks among 13 overall, but blighted his performance with a 1.6 return and put two other shots out on the full.

Daniher was an All Australian for the first time by season's end, and only Lance Franklin and Josh Kennedy kicked more than his 65 goals.

But his paltry 0.3 weekend effort was his second goalless game for the year and leaves him with seven majors from six matches – and outside the competition's top 40.



Joe
DANIHER
GOALS


1.2
BELOW AVG

DISPOSALS


14.3
AVERAGE

CONTESTED MARKS


1.7
AVERAGE

GOAL ACCURACY


30.4
BELOW AVG

KICKING EFFICIENCY


43.1
BELOW AVG

FORWARD 50 TACKLES


0.7
AVERAGE

AFL PREMIERSHIP 2018 STATISTICS AS AT ROUND 6


Champion Data's relative ratings, which reflect a player's performance based on age and position, have him at minus-35 per cent in 2018, as opposed to being plus-44 per cent the past two seasons.

Daniher isn't faring well against fellow 24-year-old key forwards, with teammate James Stewart (+2.4%), Mitch McGovern (-1.3%) and Tim O'Brien (-19%) all out-performing him.

Damningly, he is also rated below average in pressure acts.

Daniher's goalkicking is almost as bad as ever, too, slumping to a five-year low of 30.4 per cent.

His tally comprises seven goals, nine behinds and seven complete misses, after being no worse than 45.2 per cent in the previous four years and peaking at 56 per cent in 2017.

Hawthorn champion Jason Dunstall has called for the 201cm giant to overhaul his routine as he resorts to kicks around the body on otherwise standard shots at goal.

Either way, Daniher clearly has work to do to regain his peers' faith.
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adsla69k said:
Joe's alarming fall from grace - http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-01/the-stats-files-joes-alarming-fall-from-grace
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Well I'm sure he didn't forget how to play over the preseason. He didn't suddenly lose his 'work rate, intent and game knowledge'. Perhaps it's an alarming fall from fitness... carrying an injury as someone suggested. Something that affects his running, jumping and ability to take the big kicks perhaps? He typically has some sort of strapping just under his knees, could be related to that. Or groins :shrug:

Anyone remember him kicking more than 40m since the start of the year?

Even playing like shit as he is he's still taking their best defender.
 
Here's the thing. He's playing like garbage, but he's still getting 3 scoring shots a game almost (with an out of bounds every now and then), and averaging just one disposal less this year.

As soon as he can get some confidence back in his kicking, yes just some, he'll be ok. The fact that even his field kicking has been pretty atrocious this year would suggest he's just feeling a bit anxious about everything.
 
Doss said:
The one thing I would say is that the lack of spring in his leap compared to last year is noticeable. I can't help but think there is something not completely right physically.

Enough to rest him with? Not sure about that; players do play through ailments sometimes, and can sometimes still do so quite effectively. But something does seem a little awry.
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I was wondering the same thing about his spring / leap . Was looking at him when he was in the ruck on Anzac Day and he could barely jump off the ground.
 
ant555 said:
I was wondering the same thing about his spring / leap . Was looking at him when he was in the ruck on Anzac Day and he could barely jump off the ground.
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Might explain why Stewart has been taking more of the relief ruck duties as well..
 
If the players know hes injured too they might not be using him as much which appears to support the stats saying we use the others more.

If its his knee (which is now two pre seasons) he wouldnt be able to bed down a routine either because of the volume required to get it right. Hence sticking with his "what feels comfortable" routine.
 
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