I have no issue the club targeting Cogs, as long as our feelers extend further as there are some very good FA's, as well as OOC players
The next 3 years are crucial for list balance, rather than just one messiah
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I have no issue the club targeting Cogs, as long as our feelers extend further as there are some very good FA's, as well as OOC players
The next 3 years are crucial for list balance, rather than just one messiah
I've already tabled out what I see coming about and don't see many 18 year olds involved until it comes to late ND picks/RD picks.
We have Adelaides first and two third rounders in the draft this year. They could all be sold off for the right senior players.
Throw in next years first and we could have 4 ready-to-go players come 2020.
I think we have enough project players on the books already; BSilvagni, O'Dwyer and Owies will all be there in 2020 just for starters.
By the time we add in a few more kids, that should do it.
I too think we will target some ready made players, but I still strongly believe we will draft players within the top 25 in each year
This must still be about a balanced approach. I will be very interested how it plays out
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Plus we would get a second coming back
Top 25 each year?
Sell off a first round pick and we should be out of that region.
Just seems to me we have to target the right more-senior types for a year or two.
Players that fill an immediate year rather than scouting for future talent. Keep saying it but it's not more kids we need right now.
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This.
Seven year, 8 million dollar contract works for me. Frontload the s**t out of it through the first 2 years (1.5 - 2 million per year for years 1 and 2), seeing as we have everyone signed to 2021 at present.
According to the AFL website Cripps (and Murphy weirdly) are on around 800k. Simmo, Kruezer and Charlie are likely in the next bracket down on around 600k.
Money we have, and with Murphy, Thomas and Simpson set to retire in the next 2 years, we'll have more than enough going around in the near future to cover the salaries of our kids (all currently locked away) on longer term deals.
Throw the farm at Congilio.
* that. The farm stays you city slicker.
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That wasn't the question.
Would he be top 3 mid for us in 2020. Yes.
In 2022? Maybe not.
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Original comment was end of 2020. I would call that 2 years (or 2 seasons)
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Seriously dude, screw draft picks this year and next. We dont need them. Our list is chock a block full of 1st round picks. We've been hitting the draft hard the past 4 drafts and trading in 20 year old former 1st round picks to add to the ones we've drafted.
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We cant keep going back to that same well. Adding more kids doesnt help us climb the ladder. It's time to shift in our trading and drafting strategy ('Phase 2') towards trading in players (and obtaining them via F/A) to fill list spots and add established A grade talent around those 19 top 20 picks already on our list.
This year our 1st is linked to Adelaide, and next year you would hope we would be rising up the ladder. We trade both of them for a gun player in a heartbeat.
The only way we use our 1st this year and next year is if we cant lure any A graders to agree to sign with us. Otherwise, they're getting used on trades.
We've been banking cap space for this very reason for years now, and have everyone locked away on long term deals, and have 3 big name retirements (Simmo, Murph and Thomas) to open up even more cap space and list spots that will need to be filled with equal or greater talent.
It's always been part of the plan. Go to the draft for 3 years, trade players out, build a core of 18-21 year olds in those 3 years (while banking cap space) and then shift gears to adding free agents and A grade players in via trade and F/A.
Im all but convinced we're all but done with the draft for the next 2-3 years.
I’m fairly sure Arr0w was saying he wanted picks to trade for other players
Never mentioned anything about keep going to the draft
Coniglio would be good - very good. A midfield of Cripps, Coniglo and Walsh is borderline ridiculous.
Actually almost hope Conigilo, Kelly et al will stay at GWS, would be s**t for the comp if they miss their window and all the players leave for a flag elsewhere. To be fair to that club they've done everything right from scratch - seemed to have built a good culture, not too difficult to trade with, don't hold kids to their mercy (except that forward that went to Freo), play a good brand. Wouldn't mind if those kids originally drafted there won a flag and played their career out there.
Actually almost hope Conigilo, Kelly et al will stay at GWS, would be s**t for the comp if they miss their window and all the players leave for a flag elsewhere. To be fair to that club they've done everything right from scratch - seemed to have built a good culture, not too difficult to trade with, don't hold kids to their mercy (except that forward that went to Freo), play a good brand. Wouldn't mind if those kids originally drafted there won a flag and played their career out there.
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Given we've apparently been well under the cap for a few years, we should have some space banked. With a few senior players close to the end as well, and not many of our youngsters doing enough just yet to command huge salaries, and it's the logical conclusion to draw.
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Club aside I'd prefer the AFLs plan of gifting them a list to win a flag at the expense of teams needing to replenish through the draft to fail. It also massively helped Hawthorn get their 3 peat. I'd not mind them winning but the cost yo the comp in the way the afl brought them in wasn't great.
Is it? Why? How do we know that Charlie McGovern Cripps and others aren’t front ended? IMO it’s just guessing
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They almost certainly were frontloaded, simply to enable us to pay the 95 percent cap minimum!
End result is that at the end of those deals (2020-2021) we're getting to the back end of those deals (freeing up tons of cash) plus the banked space over the prior 3 years, plus the fact we're still sitting at 95 percent, plus the fact we look to be shedding around 2 million (Murphy, Simpson, Thomas, Casboult) over those same 2 years, plus the fact the cap has increased to around 15 million over that time.
We've intentionally placed ourselves in the position where we can be super aggressive this year and next year at the trade table and F/A market. We've been managing the salary cap for years to create a large hole right at this exact moment.
It was always the plan. 'Phase 1' = hit the draft hard and assemble the core of the list via kids over 3 years. 'Phase 2' = trades and free agents to supplement that list.
Phase 2 is complete when we win #17.
Not arguing that point and agree with the strategy.
Just wondering why so many people say we can front load contacts for new players?
Why can’t he be front loading our current list to ensure we have heaps of room over the next few years to pay more players?
This is Bigfooty where every club has $1M in cap space because we are delisting Player X,Y and Z, Player A,B and C are already on heavily front loaded deals and the cap is rising so we have a tonne of space.
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