Injury Blue Healers Discussion - 2024

[Aphrodite]

Latest Injury Update 7th May …

Injury news: Tests for four Blues

Four Blues are tests to play this week.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Zac Williams (glute soreness)
• Subbed out of the game on Friday night with glute soreness
• Availability: Test

Mitch McGovern (hamstring)
• Availability: Test

Caleb Marchbank (back)
• Availability: Test

Jack Martin (hamstring)
• Availability: Test

Player​	Injury​	Update​
Matt Carroll	Groin	Remains on a modified program for at least another month due to groin soreness.(Update: 30 April)
Sam Docherty	Knee	Suffered a ruptured ACL and torn meniscus in his right knee. (Update: 9 March)
Lachie Fogarty	Wrist	Commenced running program. Return to play to be assessed in Round 11. (Update: 16 April)
Caleb Marchbank	Back	Test (Update: 7 May)
Jack Martin	Hamstring	Test (Update: 7 May)
Mitch McGovern	Hamstring	Test (Update: 7 May)
Jesse Motlop	Hamstring	Suffered a further hamstring injury in recent days. Availability: 4-5 weeks. (Update: 16 April)
Adam Saad	Hamstring	Medium-grade hamstring strain. Availability: six weeks. (Update: 16 April)
Jack Silvagni	Knee	Has begun initial stages of rehab following surgery. (Update: 21 February)

 

[windows1]

Take a deep breath & calm down windows.

I am completely calm. I am allowed to comment Aph. Are you telling me to calm down from a lens of Mod or a general poster?

For clarification of other straw men ooor arguments some are trying to pin:

1. I am not accusing the club of overall stupidity. I think they have done a great job on most fronts bar this.
2. I do not imply ‘no injuries’ is the standard. Ever. Some amount is normal. The amount we endure is unacceptable.
3. I continue to firmly believe the club would do well to try someone else. That is a reasonable and rational thing to conclude. Doesn’t mean others have to agree.

I will also happily remove my sarcasm about injuries. In response to your “calm down” message. And I look forward to the Mods telling others to calm down when they resume their long running sarcasm the moment we get a somewhat clear run with injuries.

 

[Ald Gardiner]

BT I would be struggling to drop 12 players from our current team to make way for all those 12 on the injured list, so not sure they’re all best 22.

Of the 12 on the injured list there are 6 important/key players - Weiters, Saad, Cerra, McGovern, Williams and Fogarty which would come in.

The other 6 Cuners, Mots, Marchbank, Martin, Doc and JSOS are good players but our depth has easily covered these players imo.

Martin is light years ahead of any alternative 3rd marking fwd we have, just look what happened when he came into the team in the middle of last year, not easily covered by any means

 

[agro]

These are the matches played by martin, marchy and cunners over their careers. Surprisingly Martin hasn't been too bad considering the other two.

These are 3 of our best 22 players - unavailable most of the time. Makes it hard when you're in contention.

The key question is - can we get similar quality for more robust types on similar coin? - Probably not I imagine but they are occupying list spots.

Season	Martin	Marchbank	Cuningham
2024*	0	1	2
2023	13	8	12
2022	12	4	0
2021	11	0	4
2020	15	0	12
2019	16	13	9
2018	16	12	5
2017	22	16	8
2016	21	2	3
2015	12	5
2014	11
Totals	149	61	55
Ave per season	15	7	7
% availability	65%	29%	29%

That is some remarkable evidence you have put together there - but I can’t agree.

 

[windows1]

These are the matches played by martin, marchy and cunners over their careers. Surprisingly Martin hasn't been too bad considering the other two.

These are 3 of our best 22 players - unavailable most of the time. Makes it hard when you're in contention.

The key question is - can we get similar quality for more robust types on similar coin? - Probably not I imagine but they are occupying list spots.

Season	Martin	Marchbank	Cuningham
2024*	0	1	2
2023	13	8	12
2022	12	4	0
2021	11	0	4
2020	15	0	12
2019	16	13	9
2018	16	12	5
2017	22	16	8
2016	21	2	3
2015	12	5
2014	11
Totals	149	61	55
Ave per season	15	7	7
% availability	65%	29%	29%

Great stats. Cuners and Marchy seem to suffer all manner of odd injuries. Bewildering to me really and very sad for them. Especially Marchy.

Martin had his horrendous calf issues that finally got sorted by his wife and now we are onto hammy’s with him. Hope the specialist they saw for that can also help. He’s a massive weapon.

 

[Accidental genius]

That is some remarkable evidence you have put together there - but I can’t agree.

Man you are stubborn

 

[Criptonite]

So looking at the injury list this is the timeline of return. Saad 6 weeks for a medium-grade hammy seems excessive, 3-4 weeks usually isn't it? Really going to hurt us.

Round 8 - Cerra, Cunningham
Round 9 - Mcgovern
Round 10 - Martin??
Round 11 - Motlop? Marchbank??
Round 12 - Saad, Fogarty.

 

[Aphrodite]

Latest Injury Update 30th April …



Adam Cerra (hamstring)
- Availability: test

David Cuningham (calf)
- Availability: test

Orazio Fantasia (illness)
- Availability: test

Mitch McGovern (hamstring)
- Availability: one week

Matt Carroll (groin)
- Remains on a modified program for at least another month due to groin soreness

Injury news: Updates on five Blues

Three Blues will face fitness tests leading into Round 8.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Player​	Injury​	Update​
Matt Carroll	Groin	Remains on a modified program for at least another month due to groin soreness.(Update: 30 April)
Adam Cerra	Hamstring	Availability: test. (Update: 30 April)
David Cuningham	Calf	Availability: test. (Update: 30 April)
Sam Docherty	Knee	Suffered a ruptured ACL and torn meniscus in his right knee. (Update: 9 March)
Orazio Fantasia	Illness	Availability: test. (Update: 30 April)
Lachie Fogarty	Wrist	Commenced running program. Return to play to be assessed in Round 11. (Update: 16 April)
Caleb Marchbank	Back	Progressing through recovery. Return to play to be assessed in Round 9. (Update: 16 April)
Jack Martin	Hamstring	Low-grade hamstring last week. Will enter a conditioning block. Availability: 5-6 weeks. (Update: 3 April)
Mitch McGovern	Hamstring	Availability: one week. (Update: 30 April)
Jesse Motlop	Hamstring	Suffered a further hamstring injury in recent days. Availability: 4-5 weeks. (Update: 16 April)
Adam Saad	Hamstring	Medium-grade hamstring strain. Availability: six weeks. (Update: 16 April)
Jack Silvagni	Knee	Has begun initial stages of rehab following surgery. (Update: 21 February)

 

[Aphrodite]

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[AndyLucimitis]

So looking at the injury list this is the timeline of return. Saad 6 weeks for a medium-grade hammy seems excessive, 3-4 weeks usually isn't it? Really going to hurt us.

Round 8 - Cerra, Cunningham
Round 9 - Mcgovern
Round 10 - Martin??
Round 11 - Motlop? Marchbank??
Round 12 - Saad, Fogarty.

Wasn't it 6 weeks from April 16 th.

Also for a guy going on 30 years old maybe 6 weeks is prudent - see P.Dangerfield as Exhibit A of coming back too soon .

 

[Jatz]

Cerra, Cunners and McGovern will be really important additions over the next fortnight.

Marchy will be a huge in when he's ready to go as well.

 

[Opium]

Cerra, Cunners and McGovern will be really important additions over the next fortnight.

Marchy will be a huge in when he's ready to go as well.

It would be nice to get an update on Martin. Last updated 3rd April. Next week would make it 5 weeks.

 

[blues4flag]

Our injury updates have become so lazy. Miss the days where Andrew McKay

Andrew Mckay

Age

53

Ht

185cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

6.9

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

14.8

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.6

4star

would give us weekly video updates.

 

[Arr0w]

Good to see we have players on track to returning to some form of footy this week. Fantasia and Cerra should play 1sts, unsure with Cuners

The rest should return over the next 4 weeks

 

[carlton_99]

It would be nice to get an update on Martin. Last updated 3rd April. Next week would make it 5 weeks.

He is probably in the conditioning phase now. I am going to naively assume that no news is good news

 

[JJBagger]

He is probably in the conditioning phase now. I am going to naively assume that no news is good news

He's been in full training apparently, just needs to get his conditioning back up to peak level. Sounds like they aren't playing him until he's as ready as possible

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Our injury updates have become so lazy. Miss the days where Andrew McKay would give us weekly video updates.

And then proceed to say ‘that’ll also be 1-2 weeks unfortunately’

 

[Blue DNA]

Great stats. Cuners and Marchy seem to suffer all manner of odd injuries. Bewildering to me really and very sad for them. Especially Marchy.

Martin had his horrendous calf issues that finally got sorted by his wife and now we are onto hammy’s with him. Hope the specialist they saw for that can also help. He’s a massive weapon.

Do you have more information on your comment: Martin had his horrendous calf issues that finally got sorted by his wife and now we are onto hammy’s with him. Hope the specialist they saw for that can also help.

Sorry if I missed this earlier.

Agree with you to question Andrew Russell's performance. I hear from people who know more than me that many soft tissue injuries might be preventable or at least reduced with leading edge conditioning.

 

[gbatman]

Couple of weeks and we should have Cerra, Cuningham and Fantasia should be running around this week. McGovern next week. Hopefully in 2 or 3 weeks we see Fogarty, Marchbank and Motlop. Martin should be 1-2 weeks.

Everyone under a month now who is not out for the season, lets just hope we don't add to this list and they all come back well.

 

[Revenant1965]

Couple of weeks and we should have Cerra, Cuningham and Fantasia should be running around this week. McGovern next week. Hopefully in 2 or 3 weeks we see Fogarty, Marchbank and Motlop. Martin should be 1-2 weeks.

Everyone under a month now who is not out for the season, lets just hope we don't add to this list and they all come back well.

I am not superstitious.... I am not superstitious.... I am not superstitious.... I am not superstitious.... I am not superstitious....

Go away black cat, walking under ladder...

 

[CCurnow3votes]

I am not superstitious.... I am not superstitious.... I am not superstitious.... I am not superstitious.... I am not superstitious....

Go away black cat, walking under ladder...

Touch wood, somebody….anybody!!!

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

BT I would be struggling to drop 12 players from our current team to make way for all those 12 on the injured list, so not sure they’re all best 22.

Of the 12 on the injured list there are 6 important/key players - Weiters, Saad, Cerra, McGovern, Williams and Fogarty which would come in.

The other 6 Cuners, Mots, Marchbank, Martin, Doc and JSOS are good players but our depth has easily covered these players imo.

You've lost the plot if you're watching our team and saying yeah nah to cunners mots Martin doc and even jsos. Absolute insanity. Martin and Doc have been two of the biggest outs this year. We've been killed in their respective spots.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

These are the matches played by martin, marchy and cunners over their careers. Surprisingly Martin hasn't been too bad considering the other two.

These are 3 of our best 22 players - unavailable most of the time. Makes it hard when you're in contention.

The key question is - can we get similar quality for more robust types on similar coin? - Probably not I imagine but they are occupying list spots.

Season	Martin	Marchbank	Cuningham
2024*	0	1	2
2023	13	8	12
2022	12	4	0
2021	11	0	4
2020	15	0	12
2019	16	13	9
2018	16	12	5
2017	22	16	8
2016	21	2	3
2015	12	5
2014	11
Totals	149	61	55
Ave per season	15	7	7
% availability	65%	29%	29%

Cunners was available under Teague. If you're just looking at games played in the seniors this would be inaccurate.

 

[Accidental genius]

Cunners was available under Teague. If you're just looking at games played in the seniors this would be inaccurate.

From finalsiren website for afl matches played.

Yes you are right. I assumed if not playing seniors they were unavailable (injured).

But these players have generally been best 22 so should be close enough?

Are you saying cunners wasn’t picked even when fit during Teague era?

 

[Graffy4242]

Rozee goes off with a hamstring strain last Friday night and is now playing 6 days later. This never happens with us. Hamstring "awareness" turns into 3-4 weeks for our players.

 

[JJBagger]

Rozee goes off with a hamstring strain last Friday night and is now playing 6 days later. This never happens with us. Hamstring "awareness" turns into 3-4 weeks for our players.

The Port fans I’ve seen are furious that he’s playing tomorrow. They are all terrified he’s going to do more damage