Footy in China

[NoobPie]

Thinking about it the figure of 1 million dollars each to the two Clubs for that particular match I have some doubt about.
Never anywhere including on the Port Adelaide forum thread had that figure been mentioned and just seems very strange.
Would that figure be to date after the 3 matches.
If that figure is correct will some of the other cash strapped Clubs in the league get on board and why did the Suns walk away.

The Vic government is on board with the saints

 

[TWLS]

Here is a write up on the closer match on the Sunday between Asia and China featuring all local talent.

https://www.afl-asia.com/afl-asia-lions-breakthrough-on-big-stage-in-shanghai/

 

[RedV3x]

Thinking about it the figure of 1 million dollars each to the two Clubs for that particular match I have some doubt about.

So we should take your vibe over the AFL?

Never anywhere including on the Port Adelaide forum thread had that figure been mentioned and just seems very strange.

A lot of setails haven't been mentioned. I don't see why would disclose this during negoiations and not until the game is completed.

Would that figure be to date after the 3 matches.

You're joking aren't you. Standard exhibition venue fee seems to be $500,000 and then P.A.F.C. had to buy a home game on top of that.

If that figure is correct will some of the other cash strapped Clubs in the league get on board and why did the Suns walk away.

Money isn't erything and clubs don't like locking in onfield losses.

 

[TWLS]

So we should take your vibe over the AFL?
You dont have to of course but a long time on this planet tells me something is not right.
However another poster made the point that the Vic Govt is now involved from this fixture with the Saints now in - To what extent financially we do not know.
I would suggest a visit to the Port Adelaide forum and find the thread on China and have a read. It is very illuminating.


A lot of setails haven't been mentioned. I don't see why would disclose this during negoiations and not until the game is completed.
Yes we all know confidentially clauses are thrown in now in this secrecy/privacy obsessed age.



You're joking aren't you. Standard exhibition venue fee seems to be $500,000 and then P.A.F.C. had to buy a home game on top of that.
I stand corrected.



Money isn't erything and clubs don't like locking in onfield losses.

Thats right the poorer AFL Clubs dont care about money. I can tell you now that the 1 million dollar figure has been floated by Gil that will get some talk going on behind closed doors at those Clubs.

Another point is that Gil mentioned any future revenues will assist the Grassroots development and the AFLW so does that mean maybe AFL House is feeling under pressure about their particular future funding.

 

[RedV3x]

Thats right the poorer AFL Clubs dont care about money.

All clubs care about money, but no club is going to lock in predictable game losses like the Suns. Game losses = future gate money losses.

I can tell you now that the 1 million dollar figure has been floated by Gil that will get some talk going on behind closed doors at those Clubs.

No, because a figure would have been produced pretty soon as a replacement for the Suns was announced.
Maybe the final amount was negotiated upwards a bit but clubs would have known it was a hefty amount.

Another point is that Gil mentioned any future revenues will assist the Grassroots development and the AFLW so does that mean maybe AFL House is feeling under pressure about their particular future funding.

No. AFL is just being their usual self in saying "any future revenues" or is it "any future profits" or is it "any future profits beyond the dividend paid to the clubs involved"?. The AFL is saying that if they receive a windfall that they'll might use it in areas where previously they've been reluctant to spend money.

What the AFL hasn't said is that this is a income earned overseas so it should be considered an income stream for overseas development.
It's the same for WatchAFL. The AFL could have dedicated income earned overseas to the development of football overseas.

 

[TWLS]

All clubs care about money, but no club is going to lock in predictable game losses like the Suns. Game losses = future gate money losses.



No, because a figure would have been produced pretty soon as a replacement for the Suns was announced.
Maybe the final amount was negotiated upwards a bit but clubs would have known it was a hefty amount.



No. AFL is just being their usual self in saying "any future revenues" or is it "any future profits" or is it "any future profits beyond the dividend paid to the clubs involved"?. The AFL is saying that if they receive a windfall that they'll might use it in areas where previously they've been reluctant to spend money.

What the AFL hasn't said is that this is a income earned overseas so it should be considered an income stream for overseas development.
It's the same for WatchAFL. The AFL could have dedicated income earned overseas to the development of football overseas.

This last point is the crux of the whole AFL attitude to International Footy - They would prefer to spend it elsewhere ie Domestically than overseas.
They have done their sums and there is no decent returns for them if they for example start assisting some established overseas Leagues with ovals, facilities, development officers etc etc.
Another point is that is constantly ignored or overlooked is the the ICC founded in 1909 has 105 Countries affiliated with Cricket Ovals of varying standards and no moves have been made to at least commence talks for future possible use.
We will have to wait it appears for a more enlightened AFL administration to appear in the future.

 

[RedV3x]

They have done their sums and there is no decent returns for them if they for example start assisting some established overseas Leagues with ovals, facilities, development officers etc etc.

There is no immediate returns for the AFL but immediate returns foe Australian Football.
I have always said that it is about Australian Football and a world council is a neccessity.
Having said that, there are more development officers now, there was a goalposts grant and other one-offs etc.

Another point is that is constantly ignored or overlooked is the the ICC founded in 1909 has 105 Countries affiliated with Cricket Ovals of varying standards and no moves have been made to at least commence talks for future possible use.

I'm not big at all with the link to cricket grounds. That tends to be an AFL requirement and not an Australian Football requirement.
The biggest AFL game outside of Australia was at CFL stadium.
In 1905 the English establishment was trying to stamp out Australian Football not encourage it.
But I take your point and it's worth at least trying. Australia probably has the best stadium usuage in the world.
In the U.S.A. it is not common to share rectngular grounds because they are mostly privately owned.

We will have to wait it appears for a more enlightened AFL administration to appear in the future.

I prefer to be more pro active. IMO a world council of Australian Football is imperative to
1. Increase the profile of Australian Football overseas.
2. Advise the laws of Australian Football particular to overseas.
3. Push for a dedicated income stream for Australian Football overseas.
4, Advise on the organic growth of Australian Football overseas.

 

[BringBackTorps]

Here is a write up on the closer match on the Sunday between Asia and China featuring all local talent.

https://www.afl-asia.com/afl-asia-lions-breakthrough-on-big-stage-in-shanghai/

For the Asia Lions (ie non-mainland China team), can you provide information on:-
. which country each player is from
. how many snr AF games they have ever played
. how many games, if any, they have played in Australia?

Also, I assume a definitive statement would have been made by PAFC, St Kilda, and/or the AFL on the net profit each team has made from the 2019 game. What have they said specifically about the net profit for each club?
If they haven't been specific, this is very odd.

 

[NoobPie]

For the Asia Lions (ie non-mainland China team), can you provide information on:-
. which country each player is from
. how many snr AF games they have ever played
. how many games, if any, they have played in Australia?

Also, I assume a definitive statement would have been made by PAFC, St Kilda, and/or the AFL on the net profit each team has made from the 2019 game. What have they said specifically about the net profit for each club?
If they haven't been specific, this is very odd.

You're a classic BBT!

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

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Also, I assume a definitive statement would have been made by PAFC, St Kilda, and/or the AFL on the net profit each team has made from the 2019 game. What have they said specifically about the net profit for each club?
If they haven't been specific, this is very odd.

How can they make a definite statement - before all income and expenses have been reconciled?

 

[TWLS]

For the Asia Lions (ie non-mainland China team), can you provide information on:-
. which country each player is from
. how many snr AF games they have ever played
. how many games, if any, they have played in Australia?

Also, I assume a definitive statement would have been made by PAFC, St Kilda, and/or the AFL on the net profit each team has made from the 2019 game. What have they said specifically about the net profit for each club?
If they haven't been specific, this is very odd.

Wow BBT I will attempt to answer the top 3 questions only but I am being stretched.
1/ There are 11 countries competing in the 2019 AFL Asia Ladder Comp-That is the base they are from with a sprinkling of locals in each country.
2/ To my knowledge none- Remember these are locals who have been recruited by the expats in each country. The development up there has crept up on everybody and AFL Asia is doing a great job.
3/ One guy though was born in Melbourne and moved to Asia for Rugby only and is trying his hand at our game.

Here is a great article covering the 2018 Asian Championships, which highlights the men and women playing up there, and also covers the Mens PNG Team.
Note the number of Asian Women now involved from Zero 3 years ago. This highlights the significance of the arrival of the AFLW.

https://www.afl-asia.com/volcanoes-erupt-on-asias-biggest-stage/

 

[RedV3x]

For the Asia Lions (ie non-mainland China team), can you provide information on (AFL Asia)

Why don't you ask AFL Asia?
The statistics on AFL Asia are changing at an ever increasing rate.
What was an add hoc expat competition is now a regular international competition with an increasing number of nationals involved.
Now we see the introduction of many women's teams that are mostly nationals in composition

Also, I assume a definitive statement would have been made by PAFC, St Kilda, and/or the AFL on the net profit each team has made from the 2019 game.

Why?
I would find it very rude indeed to for P.A.F.C to state "yey, we've got the four points and made a million bucks to boot."
You don't do that in Australia and certainly you don't do that in China where respect is everything.
If I was the P.A.F.C. I would be down playing the magnitude of any China benefit.
AFL clubs get very jealous, very quickly if they they percieve any imbalance.

 

[TWLS]

The fourth AFL fixture match in Shanghai has been scheduled.

Who's going to China in 2020 and what round? AFL locks in teams for Shanghai showdown

St Kilda and Port Adelaide will again face off in Shanghai next year as the AFL locks in its commitment to games in China

www.afl.com.au

These particular AFL fixtures have been the subject of much discussion amongst the AFL fans with some saying a waste of time and others saying go for it.
The AFL focuses heavily on this fixture having opened an office with 2 people in Shanghai earlier this year.

What is interesting is that Senior Chinese players have been competing in Senior Aussie Rules Comps up there for about 11 years I think to virtually little coverage in Australia.
As per usual its all about playing numbers in the base to a certain degree -But not always.
Those comps are where their team - China Dragons - draws its players from for the Tri-Annual International Cup.
They have been finishing at the lower end of the table in that comp.
Results--
2008; 15th/16
2011; 17th/18
2014; 16th/18
2017; 13th/18

 

[RedV3x]

These particular AFL fixtures have been the subject of much discussion amongst the AFL fans with some saying a waste of time and others saying go for it.
The AFL focuses heavily on this fixture having opened an office with 2 people in Shanghai earlier this year.

It has very little to do with the AFL and everything to do with the PAFC.

 

[TWLS]

It has very little to do with the AFL and everything to do with the PAFC.

They are official AFL Fixtures - Involving two AFL Clubs and a lot of non PAFC fans/general AFL fans have expressed those views in the past.
PAFC fans are not completely on board either. Have not seen much comment from Saints fans - Yet.
Why are you protecting the AFL -They are in it up to their necks and are doing their bit now to make it a success, which makes it a 50/50 deal.
Originally PAFC created it for their club and it would not have proceeded without the AFL support because it is an Official AFL Fixture.

 

[RedV3x]

Originally PAFC created it for their club.

Yes. It is a busness deal with the PAFC first.

it would not have proceeded without the AFL support because it is an Official AFL Fixture.

The AFL game obviously world not have have proceded without the AFL
but an AFL game and Australian Football expansion in China were always secondary to business.

 

[TWLS]

The article below courtesy of AFL Asia talks about a team as below that was formed in 2010 in China which had primarily expat players then morphed into a team with Chinese players.
The Guangzhou Scorpions club also supports another all domestic League -Guangdong Football League, and that continues today.
The Chinese national team -The China Dragons -recruits its players from the above Leagues for the International Cup.
We noted the Port Adelaide logo appearing on various pages.

Guangzhou Scorpions | AFL Asia

The Guangzhou Scorpions Australian Rules Football Club is one of the great AFL international recruitment stories! The team was founded in May 2010 by Club Patron, Grant “Tom” Dooley, a living legend within the Asian football scene and a group of local expatriates led by the great man Matt...

www.afl-asia.com

 

[TWLS]

There is a problem with the video in the article.

Record TV ratings in China for Tigers' Grand Final triumph

The AFL's push into China has continued to gain momentum with strong TV viewership through the finals

www.afl.com.au

 

[TWLS]

The AFL has released ticket sales for the 2020 Annual China match.
It would appear that the TV ratings in China are slowly rising in response to this series of fixtures.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-12-04/tickets-on-sale-for-saints-v-power-in-shanghai

 

[Aussie in exile]

The AFL has released ticket sales for the 2020 Annual China match.
It would appear that the TV ratings in China are slowly rising in response to this series of fixtures.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-12-04/tickets-on-sale-for-saints-v-power-in-shanghai

In my opinion we shouldn't play this game this year as a protest against the way the Chinese Government have been treating the Uighur Muslims.

 

[RedV3x]

In my opinion we shouldn't play this game this year as a protest against the way the Chinese Government have been treating the Uighur Muslims.

In my opinion we should encourage China to enforce a one sport Australian Football policy in their land.
The Australian government should pump in heaps of money to show what Australian Football is the path to democracy, friendliness and co-opeartion.

 

[Over The Post]

All good except the democracy bit. That would kill your proposal stone dead. China has seen the way the USA has brought freedom and democracy to many countries and doesn't want any part of it, even if it is offered by Australia (who they pretty much rightfully consider to be a vassal state of the US)..

 

[RedV3x]

All good except the democracy bit. That would kill your proposal stone dead. China has seen the way the USA has brought freedom and democracy to many countries and doesn't want any part of it, even if it is offered by Australia (who they pretty much rightfully consider to be a vassal state of the US)..

Off topic, but China has transitioned due to communism making undemocratic decisions. Democracy has largely failed the modern world because it has avoided the common good.

 

[Aussie in exile]

In my opinion we should encourage China to enforce a one sport Australian Football policy in their land.
The Australian government should pump in heaps of money to show what Australian Football is the path to democracy, friendliness and co-opeartion.

China are building 1000's of soccer pitches as they hope to host the soccer world cup sooner rather than later.
China taking part in International sport is the prime aim of the Chinese government and soccer is the most international sport on the planet by a country mile and the soccer world cup is the biggest sporting event on the planet.
Sadly Australian football has zero appeal on the international stage.

 

[RedV3x]

Sadly Australian football has zero appeal on the international stage.

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