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Bluemour Discussion Thread XVI - Facts Not Welcome
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Clearly cooked.
Gethelred
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Trite.
Finding the right decision and doing it regardless of what anyone thinks is what a leader does. Strength is more likely to have you stick by a poor decision out of stubbornness, something that is plentiful in AFL circles anyway. A desire for 'hardness' or to make a harsh call is frequently nothing more than a front for someone wanting to look as though they're doing something rather than actually doing it.
Clarkson wasn't 'hard' when he released Mitchell, Lewis. He asked them where they wanted to go, and he got them there; Lewis wanted to continue his AFL career, where Mitchell wanted a change and a potential transition to coaching. Those decisions resulted in Hawthorn being immediately worse on the ladder, and those decisions both have resulted in Hawthorn being potentially in no man's land in the future.
There are no 'hard' decisions. There are good or poor choices. Leaders are prized for hardness, when they should be prized for accuracy.
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Don’t care really I’ll just be more choosy and less forthcoming in future.
Water off a duck’s back.
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Love your work GD, keep posting what you hear please !
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What did SOS say?
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I've thanked you for the information you've shared before. I've liked a number of your comments, and I maintain that your perspectives have been valuable. However, I dislike your attitude, your superiority/inferiority complex, and I thoroughly detest your attitude to people you disagree with.
That you continue to wonder why your smugness isn't rewarded with cavalcades of flowers, children named in your honour, and a fresh palanquin off the production line is surprising to me.
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He said “ mums the word make sure the Clique don’t find out”
PM’s only ... PM me too thanks ...
Hawthorn will be fine imo. They just knocked off the top of the table, have a brownlow medalist on the sidelines, Patton coming in next year and Wingard and Scully adjusting to a new system. Clarkson has done a brilliant job and kudos to him. But if you don't think dropping Roughhead, a coleman medalist, former captain, cancer survivor hero of hawthorn into the VFL to let another player develop, not a player who was performing better, but a younger player to develop, isn't a hard call? It is. Earlier in the year people were talking about dropping Murphy and I couldn't help but think we owed him, we cant. It's why I'd be a bad coach.
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I love being smug.....it’s my signature trait
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Oh ok me too if possible
I bleed Blue
Brownlow Medallist
Don't know if it will be funny as much as it will be impressive.
May as well skip him straight to legend status in the Hall of Fame if he manages that.
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No, I don't. I see it as the right call. There is no such thing as a 'hard' decision; making the right decision can be difficult, but difficulty alone does not make decisions right.
Dropping Murphy earlier in the year could've been the right decision, but the decision not to is certainly being vindicated at the moment. Is it easier to drop a good player underachieving, or to continue to play them and to back them to return to form? Look at the current primary example of 'I maketh the tough calls' in the AFL in Don Pike; has his various hard stances on things like players leaving, culture, training standards, commitment borne much by way of reward? Or has it resulted in players wanting out (Lever, McGovern, Cameron) or more money to stay (Jenkins, Lynch)?
Hawthorn could be on the way to renewing their flag threats, and I do find pronouncements of their demise premature at the moment. However - and this is a pretty big one - the decisions I mentioned - the trading of Mitchell and Lewis - were not hard decisions in any way whatsoever. What they were was necessary; keeping both around results in artificially maintaining their ladder position for a season or so longer but not being any credible threat at the time either. The decisions and the manner in which they were done was intelligent and considerate, and were very much (IMO) the right decision, just as dropping the player who didn't want to be traded - Roughead - because he's not as good as he once was.
There is something of a deification of people making 'tough calls' in sporting circles; I dropped player x, and we won, ergo my decision is vindicated. What this is is effectively ignoring why that decision was the correct call, and whether you're confusing correlation with causality. I genuinely dislike this kind of reasoning, because - like all such myths - it is the result of appearances over facts, the 'quality' of individuals over their intelligence or the canniness of their decisions. We still want to believe in the godlike, the mythological, ignoring the prosaic or the practical.
Doesn't make it any more true in AFL circles than it does in general.
Rubbish, he’s playing good footy. We talk about needing experience in the team and the list and we have a good one that’s been incredibly loyal.
He needs to get his head around the possibility of playing twos if those eyeing off his spot warrant it, if he has no issue with that he’ll continue to play very good footy until he can’t.
The convo is an easy one, he either likes it and fights to retain his spot and go down and work his arse off in the magoos if form is an issue or he retires end of this year. Just needs to be made very clear to him when the conversation happens.
I’d back him to play all games, fitness permitting [emoji6]
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Maybe it's semantics but if he was put in cotton wool three weeks ago how come he failed a fitness test (which showed bruising still existing) this week.?
Why would the club be continually telling us that he was one to 2 weeks away if he was in cotton wool?
If we take things at face value it looks suspiciously like his injury hasnt healed quickly enough to be worth trying to get him up and the reward isnt worth the risk rather than him being placed in cotton wool.
But anyway rather than looking like the Fonz i have to say that i was wr. Wro. Wron. Wrong.
Yep, and then offer Nick Graham as compensation....
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I wish posters would stop attacking others for either sharing information or having an opinion that doesn't fit their mindset at the time. We just don't learn.
Keep posting the good oil GS - you keep nailing it!
Keep posting the good oil GS - you keep nailing it!
It would be much appreciated if I could get in on the PM too[emoji106]
BTW, I come here for news that is truly “breaking”, that matters, and not particularly stuff I see on the weekend.
I moved on from 2 other Blues sites because of vitriol spewed against posters putting a viewpoint across, whether you like it or not is your very own problem.
Lets keep it civil everyone
We arguably had Simpson and Thomas covered 18 months ago before all our young half backs were cut down - there's a lot riding on how SOS & co handle this
This shouldn't be a wish but a demand.
We have individuals here that continue to fly under the banner of , 'If you don't agree with me, then you must be wrong' but get away with their antics for seducing and cow-tailing to their 'friends in high places' in order to get away with their antics, disguised as being the 'good one'.
Hard to understand how people fall for this but they do. Why is this?
In regards to GS? I think he's just using the shotgun effect.
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Shot gun effect ?This shouldn't be a wish but a demand.
We have individuals here that continue to fly under the banner of , 'If you don't agree with me, then you must be wrong' but get away with their antics for seducing and cow-tailing to their 'friends in high places' in order to get away with their antics, disguised as being the 'good one'.
Hard to understand how people fall for this but they do. Why is this?
In regards to GS? I think he's just using the shotgun effect.
In the words of a famous redhead....please explain
Baker is the smallest of the group, and the one on the rookie list. The_Gun was in here earlier trying to sell him before he was getting a game. Absolute terrier, quick, good game sense, plays mainly high half forward and can go through the middle. Is however a decent threat when played closer to goal. Would be a good get given our lack of depth in the position.
Add him and Papley to Cuningham, Gibbons and possibly Owies and we have our small forward issues sorted.
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