Bluemour Melting Pot XXI - Like seriously, the polar ice caps have got nothing on us

[cfc4life]

Are there people seriously suggesting we trade up to Melbourne's pick and take Martin there? Lord almighty.

 

[Gavstar]

That better not be true. Why would we actively bring in a player with a known drug problem?

Spot in Northern Blues with Mid year draft is all we should be offering Bennell

 

[teknodeejay]

I think Sydney dodged a bullet with Daniher. His body seems well and truly crocked. I don’t think Essendons medical team of today are that negligent that they don’t put his rehabilitation in good hands.

Daniher playing 20 games a year is worth the ask. The Daniher running (hobbling) around now is worth the same as Patton, maybe a bit more.

in the chance that he’s magically healed next season and plays a full year, Sydney then go the RFA poach.

 

[HBF]

Papley worth way more than a 18 yo kid at pick 9

FFS.

 

[ctwenty1]

It it was SOS at fault here..
Aren't you reading the melts ..

Let alone criticism of no plan B, which arguably Eddie is at least for a year, and Martin walks to us in the PSD.

I also note that SOS had a pretty big hand in putting the current list together, which in the back half of this year showed us what it could do despite its age. But yeah SOS should be sacked immediately on account of not getting two guys most people didn’t (and probably still don’t) know anything about.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Reports have said GC will redraft Martin so not show how he'll slip to us.

Absolutely zero chance of happening

 

[Styxx]

I don't think there is a PSD anymore. Just an AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period. Would Martin fall into that category?

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[La Dispute]

Makes Eddie trade even better, a good place holder of sorts for a year before getting a papley or someone else next year

Exactly. He won’t just be mentoring the small forwards either - having a player of Eddie’s caliber affects the whole squad.

 

[Brendon Bolt]

Playing devil’s advocate, judging by SOS comments, I don’t think puck 9 in its own right was ever on the table for papley.

SOS said 9 was definitely involved. But never said it was the offer

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

This trade period was a joke, we did not fill any of our positional needs, we had good players wanting to come to us and we couldn’t get it done! Can’t see Papley nominating us in 12 months time, personally a player of his calibre for pick 9 was worth it, overs maybe but considering he still has 4 years remaining on his contract, it was what we had to pay and it should hve been done.

Yes we did, we got a small forward, a back up ruckman and will get a quality midfielder in the PSD.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

OK naive one, SOS himself said Papley deal was unlikely to be done without the Daniher trade going through. Knowing this, he's had WEEKS to come up with other targets, instead of Death riding Dodoro to the last minute. GC said they would have traded Martin & 15 for Pick 9. Which is the equivalent of a mid 3rd rounder in points downgrade. With maybe err 2 minutes to go, you'd think he'd cut the loss of a player with 3 years to go on the contract, and do the martin deal at least. Or have a plan C. But no. we bank everything on a 50/50 deal with a player with 3 years of contract left.

What if SOS didn't have any other targets? Why would he pay that asking price for Martin?

 

[mochacinolatte]

I wouldnt mind trading pick 9 for a future first and third and make plays for whitfield etc

 

[Stamos]

The biggest issue is we didn't have a plan b.

I figure taking #9 to the draft, and getting Martin in the PSD is a reasonable Plan B

 

[RoyalParade]

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Yep warned us about Martin 3 hours out

 

[FRUMPY]

You just missed his point completely. If Papley wasn't doable we should have had other plans in place. Instead we have nothing.

So trade for someone we didn't want? To please the nuffies? Sounds a smart idea

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[rog1995]

Are there people seriously suggesting we trade up to Melbourne's pick and take Martin there? Lord almighty.

Ludicrous. I personally don't rate Martin that high. But to not target or have a back up plan when the intention was for the club to trade this year's first pick is really disappointing.

 

[jooce8891]

Yes we did, we got a small forward, a back up ruckman and will get a quality midfielder in the PSD.

small forward for one year

 

[Juice030103]

Guys... I think we all feel/felt a little down about the outcome of trade period. I really was quite annoyed but then I realised... We have Cripps Curnow Walsh McKay Weiters Dow LOB Marchy Plowman docherty Fisher SPS Gibbo Ed Murph Kreuzer Betts Jones Doc etc. We have pick 9 (will become 10 because if Green) and that player can become another guy to add on the long list. Yeah we can be mad about Papley and Martin, but we didn’t have papley and Martin on our 6-5 run in the second half of the year. We had a clearly injury riddled Crippa too, and no doc, and basically no Jones or Curnow. Young guys only get better from here. Missing out on these 2 players hasn’t ended our hopes for premiership success. We have our core. Sometimes it doesn’t work out... but sometimes it does. Carlton have a great future, we have the talent. We just have to wait. Heads up bluebaggers. We will turn out alright

 

[4thchicken]

I thought Adrian Dodoro said that pick 5 wasn't tabled for Daniher in his press conference on Fox.

9 + future 1st was offered. swans claim early discussions also rejected 5 + 9

 

[Stamos]

The melts on this thread are hilarious.

Today was disappointing, but a disaster? You've got to be kidding.

We'll take #9 to the draft, and get Martin in the PSD. Meh.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

In all seriousness is Jack Martin really going to tear the house down and drive us to another flag?

I don't blame SOS for not getting this deal done.

He has proven absolutely NOTHING. He may have shown potential but he has not proven enough to warrant a first rounder.

Papley, Wines, Coniglio and Shiel (Last year) has been a systematic failure with our recruiting department

I absolutely believe Jack Martin will be a key player for us in our next flag.

 

[klompy]

I am completely melting.
Sos failed. Not specifically because he failed to land Papley and Martin. He failed because it didn't improve our list, and that is his job.
Once he knew Papley and Martin weren't looking likely, he should have had plan b and plan c in his back pocket. No doubt the negotiations with Sydney and GC were difficult, if not impossible. But it doesn't excuse the fact that he failed to improve our list, and I cannot believe there weren't other players available that would have done that. This is a win or lose business - not a "i did my best" business. He lost. Big black mark against his name IMO.

 

[Opine]

Sydney List guy said * Dodo made it clear that Picks 5 and 9 would not get Daniher.

So Daniher goes to Swans next year as a FA and * get a start of second round compensation pick.

Dodoro said that Sydney only ever offered 9 and a future first; I believe it, given JD comes out of contract end of 2020.

 

[BlueTongue]

Ok so to summarise from the press conferences with SOS, Dodo and Cameron;

Sydney offered 9 (our pick) and a future first for Daniher which confirms most of the mail around that Sydney wouldn't let Papley go unless Daniher came in. Doesn't seem like we could do much more. Essendon* taking a risk holding a player that doesn't want to be there a year out from Free Agency, good luck to them.

Cameron confirmed himself they wanted 9 + a future second for Martin and 15 for an out of contract bloke who hasn't shown a great deal, and is a possibility to land in the PSD for free to someone.
The picks GC have this year and next (thanks AFL concessions...) meant they weren't interested in our offer of future 2nd and 3rd which would normally have been pretty fair price to pay.

I think the most disappointing thing is that we didn't make a late play for Wines once the other two targets were scuppered but can live without it.


So for the melters losing their minds in here wanting SOS sacked, what was the next course of action?

Having a plan C. Papley was always a high risk of failure. Obviously Plan B, another high risk, is picking Martin up via PSD.

 

[kjr8]

The fact that everyone was declaring SOS a genius days out looks very bad on the club in general, no plan B or C....

What makes you think that players and their managers will sit around and wait as plan B or C?

They will just as easily explore their options and not risk being left in the lurch.

Genius.


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