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Opinion Stephen Silvagni

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I hope SOS stays on as I haven't really had any issue with any of his work so far bar not jagging a nice player later in the draft.
 
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JustaBattler said:
I forgot to add Marchbank and Stocker to the 'where we spent the real capital' list...and I will correct the error now - thanks for pointing out Stocker...have the same feeling re Stocker - really liked what I saw of him when he got a game...

Re Kennedy he is probably in same position as Marchbank/Cuningham in that his development and expected output has been constrained by LT injury and recovery...it was pleasing to see him perform well as a forward - straight dependable kick and very clever with setting up team mates via handball...but if he can't also provide support as a genuine onballer- then he will be up against faster players like Cuningham or taller like SOJ as the last forward in what should become a pretty potent forward line in 2020 - Betts?PapleyMartin - would all be starting players

I imagine that the forward line looks something like this in round 1:

Martin Charlie Cuningham
Betts Harry McGovern

As for finals I think Defensive capability is finals quality and Forward line will be there or there abouts ( assuming no big injuries) but maybe lack of developed depth between the arcs ends up biting us on backside if we cop injuries to Cripps especially and or Murph, Ed and Kreuzer.

Dow/Fisher/Stocker/Setterfield/Gibbons/LoB/SPS - we need 2-3 to take a serious step up in week to week output ..to match Walsh would be good. I dont see Setterfield as a long term wingman buyt he lacks body development and tank to be Cripp's second at thsi stage - Kennedy shoudl have been pushing for that spot ...

Plenty to be excited about - especially if we nab Martin and Betts shows he isn't 'cooked' - I reckon we get as many years out of Eddie as we do Murph from here.
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Kennedy will not get a game next season unless we have serious injuries. He was brought to the club as a big body mid to help out Cripps. He had zero impact and was found out badly for his lack of pace and poor kicking under pressure. They threw him into the forward line and he kicked a couple of goals. He will not be playing in the forward line next year, unless we have injuries.
 
Moody Blue said:
Kennedy will not get a game next season unless we have serious injuries. He was brought to the club as a big body mid to help out Cripps. He had zero impact and was found out badly for his lack of pace and poor kicking under pressure. They threw him into the forward line and he kicked a couple of goals. He will not be playing in the forward line next year, unless we have injuries.
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I kind of have to agree. I can’t see Kennedy playing without injuries. That is unless he improves his midfield craft over the preseason. Otherwise can’t see him playing as the HF
 

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Kennedy gets some very harsh criticism, he’s never going to be a A grader, but he has some really good traits, he’s actually a pretty good kick off both feet, has a very good footy IQ, he does a lot of team effort based things like block smoother tackle, think the fact that he’s struggled to stay on the park has really hurt him, still think he can be a handy role player, inside mid rotation that can bash crash and do some of the hard stuff, then go forward and get a adventurous match up.
 
The biggest list challenge for us going forward is to try to keep the group together. There is now a huge amount of young talent that will really start to show how good they are. Not all are going to be blues players for life. How this is handled is an extremely important element to any ultimate success we will have.
On the one hand sos has shown himself to be extremely adept in extracting talent and getting good returns on them . Menzel and Gibbs being good examples. If he has to trade out players to get us the picks that we need to keep the list fresh and exciting then some difficult decisions are going to be made. Some of us will fall out of love with sos pretty quickly when that happens. But if he backs it up with good early selections using those picks, any angst will be short lived.
The other aspect to sos that bears scrutiny, is his ability to find diamonds in the rough later in the draft. I am not sure this is his strength. But agresta seems to know his way around a rookie draft, so it could be ok. Without trading out players to get pointy end draft picks, we may be relying on agresta more and more as we surge up the ladder.
IMO sos has a bit of a question mark on him regarding his flexibility. For example , going after previous picks of his at gws; removing players that he didn’t draft, without proper evaluation eg holman, gowers . Losing out on papley. These are red flags to me. But perhaps we need to view this all in the context of all his trades. For example, his hard line this year, cost us papley, but at the same time looks like bringing in Martin for nothing.
One thing is for sure, sos is night and day better than his predecessors- specialists in list clogging and draft pick confetti’ing


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therubbernub said:
The biggest list challenge for us going forward is to try to keep the group together. There is now a huge amount of young talent that will really start to show how good they are. Not all are going to be blues players for life. How this is handled is an extremely important element to any ultimate success we will have.
On the one hand sos has shown himself to be extremely adept in extracting talent and getting good returns on them . Menzel and Gibbs being good examples. If he has to trade out players to get us the picks that we need to keep the list fresh and exciting then some difficult decisions are going to be made. Some of us will fall out of love with sos pretty quickly when that happens. But if he backs it up with good early selections using those picks, any angst will be short lived.
The other aspect to sos that bears scrutiny, is his ability to find diamonds in the rough later in the draft. I am not sure this is his strength. But agresta seems to know his way around a rookie draft, so it could be ok. Without trading out players to get pointy end draft picks, we may be relying on agresta more and more as we surge up the ladder.
IMO sos has a bit of a question mark on him regarding his flexibility. For example , going after previous picks of his at gws; removing players that he didn’t draft, without proper evaluation eg holman, gowers . Losing out on papley. These are red flags to me. But perhaps we need to view this all in the context of all his trades. For example, his hard line this year, cost us papley, but at the same time looks like bringing in Martin for nothing.
One thing is for sure, sos is night and day better than his predecessors- specialists in list clogging and draft pick confetti’ing


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One of the challenges is which player to let go in a trade for value.
If we have Kreuzer, Murphy, Simpson and Casboult covered in 2 years time, then do we trade say Dow one year, maybe Fisher goes as a free agent another year ... one reason IMO we should keep investing in the best mids we can each draft.

The example though a bit long in the tooth was Geelong trading Brent Moloney to the Demons for Pick 12. (Geelong then packaged up picks 12 and 16 for Brad Ottens).
 
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As soon as we stagnate we go backwards.
A well correlated and expert recruitment team is vital for survival in all sport especially AFL teams.
 
I think it’s highly possible that Kennedy’s best position is as a medium forward, and we’d actually be disrupting his development by employing him as a full-time inside mid. Throw him into the rotations, but I can’t understand trying to shoehorn him now we’ve seen his capacity as a goalkicker, and he gained so much traction up forward later in the season.

Easy to forget he didn’t play a heap in the middle for GWS, and was actually at his best as an instinctive Caddy-style unconventional half-forward. In fact he’s hardly played as an inside mid since his junior days.

JSOS on the other hand should hopefully spend more time in the middle next year, and I’d expect Setterfield to be used predominantly at the stoppages rather than occupy a flank.
 
therubbernub said:
The biggest list challenge for us going forward is to try to keep the group together. There is now a huge amount of young talent that will really start to show how good they are. Not all are going to be blues players for life. How this is handled is an extremely important element to any ultimate success we will have.
On the one hand sos has shown himself to be extremely adept in extracting talent and getting good returns on them . Menzel and Gibbs being good examples. If he has to trade out players to get us the picks that we need to keep the list fresh and exciting then some difficult decisions are going to be made. Some of us will fall out of love with sos pretty quickly when that happens. But if he backs it up with good early selections using those picks, any angst will be short lived.
The other aspect to sos that bears scrutiny, is his ability to find diamonds in the rough later in the draft. I am not sure this is his strength. But agresta seems to know his way around a rookie draft, so it could be ok. Without trading out players to get pointy end draft picks, we may be relying on agresta more and more as we surge up the ladder.
IMO sos has a bit of a question mark on him regarding his flexibility. For example , going after previous picks of his at gws; removing players that he didn’t draft, without proper evaluation eg holman, gowers . Losing out on papley. These are red flags to me. But perhaps we need to view this all in the context of all his trades. For example, his hard line this year, cost us papley, but at the same time looks like bringing in Martin for nothing.
One thing is for sure, sos is night and day better than his predecessors- specialists in list clogging and draft pick confetti’ing


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Holman? Gowers? Surely you jest!
No disrespect to either but neither would add anything to our list and neither would be getting a game.
 
La Dispute said:
I think it’s highly possible that Kennedy’s best position is as a medium forward, and we’d actually be disrupting his development by employing him as a full-time inside mid. Throw him into the rotations, but I can’t understand trying to shoehorn him now we’ve seen his capacity as a goalkicker, and he gained so much traction up forward later in the season.

Easy to forget he didn’t play a heap in the middle for GWS, and was actually at his best as an instinctive Caddy-style unconventional half-forward. In fact he’s hardly played as an inside mid since his junior days.

JSOS on the other hand should hopefully spend more time in the middle next year, and I’d expect Setterfield to be used predominantly at the stoppages rather than occupy a flank.
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Yes agree, utilize Kennedy as an unconventional HF, he has an accurate penetrating kick and good footy IQ, can't wait to see him in tandem with Eddie's brilliance.
 

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I cannot see how Kennedy isn’t a ready made inside midfielder. If I were Tuegue, I would be partnering him up with Cripps this preseason and Round 1, I’d be rotating him and Cripps. Release the beast!!!
 
SurreyBlue said:
I cannot see how Kennedy isn’t a ready made inside midfielder. If I were Tuegue, I would be partnering him up with Cripps this preseason and Round 1, I’d be rotating him and Cripps. Release the beast!!!
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he wasnt that flash when he was trialled there before moving into forward line. He is a reliable goal kick and seems to enjoy the forward role too. Id leave him there and train up jsos in mid instead.
 
SurreyBlue said:
I cannot see how Kennedy isn’t a ready made inside midfielder. If I were Tuegue, I would be partnering him up with Cripps this preseason and Round 1, I’d be rotating him and Cripps. Release the beast!!!
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I don't think he's fast enough. Too many times he couldn't run defensively to get back in time or to run a player down.

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Triple M saying SOS gone.. if this is accurate then it’s clearly more a personality issue than a performance one, because the list SOS has built is the envy of every team in the comp.
I wonder if he wants to step away from making the call on young Ben who would need to produce a bit to remain on the list after next year.
 
Lace_Out said:
If SOS is gone I'd say it's more likely his decision for reasons previously stated.

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I hope it's his decision.
 

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I really would be gutted. It would be leaving when a job is half done. I’m not a subscriber to him having done the “hard work”. I think just about any list manager could bring in great talent with the picks, salary cap room and the players who we have traded. The board backed a full rebuild which is tougher on them than SOS imo not to mention the coaches. The hard work starts now when you have to create a team that can actually win it without the top end picks and when the salary cap starts getting tight. This is what I want to see SOS achieve.

The only way I could understand him leaving on his own accord would be because of a conflict of interest with his sons, which I could totally understand
 
ItsAllAboutMe said:
Triple M saying SOS gone.. if this is accurate then it’s clearly more a personality issue than a performance one, because the list SOS has built is the envy of every team in the comp.
I wonder if he wants to step away from making the call on young Ben who would need to produce a bit to remain on the list after next year.
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Bens done nothing wrong in his first season.
 
RobR said:
Bens done nothing wrong in his first season.
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Correct, but he will always be held to a higher standard, given his surname.

As has been the case with Jack and as will be the case with Tom if drafted.

Just look at the obscene focus on Jack earlier this year. No other 21 year old taken at pick 50 something in the draft has ever received that much attention.
 
Jeremias said:
Correct, but he will always be held to a higher standard, given his surname.

As has been the case with Jack and as will be the case with Tom if drafted.

Just look at the obscene focus on Jack earlier this year. No other 21 year old taken at pick 50 something in the draft has ever received that much attention.
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Totally agree, much in the same manner as SOS himself was targeted during his list rebuild, no list manager has come under as much scrutiny as he did. Now that the wheel is starting to turn, it would be great for him to stay and finish what he has started. There are no guarantees that we will achieve ultimate success with this list he has put together but it has given us hope which we have not had for quite awhile.
 

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