Opinion Stephen Silvagni

[Gethelred]

I suspect that Cain wanted Ellis for more than just a playing role. He was beloved at Richmond because he bought in and helped drive the culture -- to a level that far outweighed his talent.

We've had those types in the past -- prime example being Simon White.

Then perhaps he should have suggested this to SOS, instead of working around him.

This is stupid. IT IS NOT THE CEO'S JOB TO MANAGE THE LIST!

If he can't play within the lines, **** him right off.

 

[JustaBattler]

Really, you’re unhappy with a list manager/recruiter and don’t want him to continue but then let him take charge of one of the most important nights of the year?

Apart from you - who is unhappy with the list manager? Where are you getting the idea that the Club ex one extremely expendable bald sales guy and ex Richmond chest puffer are 'unhappy' with SOS?

 

[Rosscoe]

People don’t need to have done something wrong To want to move on or be asked to.

Just try to think in what context he said that in.

 

[Gethelred]

I’ve been supportive of MLG; until now. Fix this issue with the Richmond bloke or give someone else a go.

Pretty much.

I'm livid. Didn't see any of this shit during the day, and I didn't like the Liddle appointment when it occurred, although I recognised the appeal of getting in someone with experience at increasing membership numbers. MLG has done an absolutely great job to this point, but the bloke needs either to get Liddle to pull his head in and get everyone back on the same page, or we're ****ed again.

Cannot have management interfering with expertise. Just can't.

 

[HBF]

MLG is very good despite perception of some imo.

He’s been dealing with this for a while. Difficult situation given the alpha males involved!

Good to hear OR. Thanks for posting.

 

[Rosscoe]

Glad the board were all agreed on this.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I did not say that, that is you twisting the argument like a Herald Sun Journalist. The direction of my argument was that a club needs a balance of long term supporters and outside administrators. SOS not only has an elite track record that no one else can match but will fight for the place because it is his birthland. It is a very patronising small minded perspective to insinuate that SOS is just a wealthy fan. You can add Matheson and the Pratts to that list

Remind me - what has SOS achieved so far as a List Manager to warrant being attributed with an "elite track record"?

I rate his work very highly, don't get me wrong, but there's some serious Navy Blue glasses in any definitive statement that he's the best going around.

He, along with some unprecedented handouts from the AFL, helped build GWS up to a flag contender, but that was an 8-year process with more than just his finger in the pie.

He stripped back our list and facilitated a monumental rebuild, and while there are signs we're on track now, we still finished 3rd last in 2019.

My personal belief, is that he's a fantastic operator if you want/need to think well outside the box to generate list turnover, or to build a team from the ground up. I'm not so sure he's as strong at maintaining a list long-term, or securing limited numbers of key personnel, and that's based only on the fact that I haven't seen him do it to any great degree. Maybe he'll be good at that too, if he gets the chance?

Honestly, I think we as fans just need to roll with the punches. The club won't always do things we agree with, but there is nothing the club could ever do that won't have some detractors (this board proves that on a daily basis). If Liddle and SOS aren't playing nice, and SOS feels it's best for him to move on, that's his call to make. It tells me either the relationship is catatonic, or he was half considering leaving for other reasons anyway and this is just the feather that tipped the scale.

Either way, he moves on, the club moves on, the next soldier steps up, and everyone gets on with the task of winning games of footy. Not something to lose sleep over.

 

[AB_Blue]

Staying in the lanes of responsibility is what drives good culture. For all of the good Liddle is doing, trying to play recruiter ala Swanny spells disaster.

MLG must step in as both men have important roles at our club


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[Opine]

Better than it was before SOS took over.

But their are still gaps - obviously with our small forwards, I love Eddie and glad he’s back, but he’s not a long term option.

We still haven’t addressed our need for a small lock down defender, opposition small forwards kill us and have done so for many years now - and no Lachie Plowman is not the solution.

And we don’t have enough mid field depth.

But otherwise all ok.

Ok.

 

[DangerousD]

How do you know he ignores the other recruiters?

The main issues I have been told of, is the recruiting team being on a different page to SOS on some issues, where the recruiting team will all agree but SOS won’t and they will be overruled. This has caused some conflict, as the team then ask, what they are even here for, if SOS just does what he wants.
It seems then that the CEO is trying to put in place a structure that SOS isn’t happy with as it wasn’t how it was done in the previous few years.

It’s well known that SOS didn’t want Eddie back, the coach did and the CEO did, I’m not sure about the others, but this where the issue arises, SOS wants ultimate say, regardless if it’s a decision endorsed by the rest of his team or not.

I don’t think this is a good way to operate, I hope common ground can be found.

How some are blowing up on here is pathetic, SOS shouldn’t answer to anyone type stuff, sack Liddle, the mind boggles.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

He needs to be pulled into line by the Pres then.

C'mon Jeannie! Pull your finger out!

 

[Gethelred]

Remind me - what has SOS achieved so far as a List Manager to warrant being attributed with an "elite track record"?

I rate his work very highly, don't get me wrong, but there's some serious Navy Blue glasses in any definitive statement that he's the best going around.

He, along with some unprecedented handouts from the AFL, helped build GWS up to a flag contender, but that was an 8-year process with more than just his finger in the pie.

He stripped back our list and facilitated a monumental rebuild, and while there are signs we're on track now, we still finished 3rd last in 2019.

My personal belief, is that he's a fantastic operator if you want/need to think well outside the box to generate list turnover, or to build a team from the ground up. I'm not so sure he's as strong at maintaining a list long-term, or securing limited numbers of key personnel, and that's based only on the fact that I haven't seen him do it to any great degree. Maybe he'll be good at that too, if he gets the chance?

Honestly, I think we as fans just need to roll with the punches. The club won't always do things we agree with, but there is nothing the club could ever do that won't have some detractors (this board proves that on a daily basis). If Liddle and SOS aren't playing nice, and SOS feels it's best for him to move on, that's his call to make. It tells me either the relationship is catatonic, or he was half considering leaving for other reasons anyway and this is just the feather that tipped the scale.

Either way, he moves on, the club moves on, the next soldier steps up, and everyone gets on with the task of winning games of footy. Not something to lose sleep over.

Agree with the bolded, because it's what he's done twice. It's also why he'd be great to keep a hold of, because we will need to be creative in the future; while we are in a good situation now, we haven't achieved all that much, and positionally speaking we're still short a few players.

However...

If Liddle is the one that has interfered with SOS's job or given assurances without consulting list management and someone must leave, it should not be SOS. Marketing pukes are dime a dozen, but talent identification coupled with the ability to facilitate creative trades does not grow on trees.

 

[Robertio]

The main issues I have been told of, is the recruiting team being on a different page to SOS on some issues, where the recruiting team will all agree but SOS won’t and they will be overruled. This has caused some conflict, as the team then ask, what they are even here for, if SOS just does what he wants.
It seems then that the CEO is trying to put in place a structure that SOS isn’t happy with as it wasn’t how it was done in the previous few years.

It’s well known that SOS didn’t want Eddie back, the coach did and the CEO did, I’m not sure about the others, but this where the issue arises, SOS wants ultimate say, regardless if it’s a decision endorsed by the rest of his team or not.

I don’t think this is a good way to operate, I hope common ground can be found.

How some are blowing up on here is pathetic, SOS shouldn’t answer to anyone type stuff, sack Liddle, the mind boggles.

You seem to be blowing up the most, i get you don't like Silvagni but you are allowed an opinion.

 

[HARKER]

This town ain't big enough for the both of us.........and it ain't me who's gonna leave.

Can you imagine if MLG ousted Liddle and kept his mate SOS?
How do we allow ourselves to keep slipping into these predicaments? When are we going to have an administration that just gets things right?

 

[Gethelred]

MLG is very good despite perception of some imo.

He’s been dealing with this for a while. Difficult situation given the alpha males involved!

That's terrific to hear, OC. I can take a deep breath now.

 

[smashbox gill]

Remind me - what has SOS achieved so far as a List Manager to warrant being attributed with an "elite track record"?

I rate his work very highly, don't get me wrong, but there's some serious Navy Blue glasses in any definitive statement that he's the best going around.

He, along with some unprecedented handouts from the AFL, helped build GWS up to a flag contender, but that was an 8-year process with more than just his finger in the pie.

He stripped back our list and facilitated a monumental rebuild, and while there are signs we're on track now, we still finished 3rd last in 2019.

My personal belief, is that he's a fantastic operator if you want/need to think well outside the box to generate list turnover, or to build a team from the ground up. I'm not so sure he's as strong at maintaining a list long-term, or securing limited numbers of key personnel, and that's based only on the fact that I haven't seen him do it to any great degree. Maybe he'll be good at that too, if he gets the chance?

Honestly, I think we as fans just need to roll with the punches. The club won't always do things we agree with, but there is nothing the club could ever do that won't have some detractors (this board proves that on a daily basis). If Liddle and SOS aren't playing nice, and SOS feels it's best for him to move on, that's his call to make. It tells me either the relationship is catatonic, or he was half considering leaving for other reasons anyway and this is just the feather that tipped the scale.

Either way, he moves on, the club moves on, the next soldier steps up, and everyone gets on with the task of winning games of footy. Not something to lose sleep over.

Look at our list change in 4 years - we now have the most exciting young list in the league with potential A+ players across every line.
We did this with barely any tradeable assets - Hendo, Touhy, Yarran, Gibbs
SOS smart trading allowed us to do this.

Look at GWS, despite the handouts look at them compared to GC. He set them up for lasting success.

 

[DangerousD]

How do you know SOS isn’t accountable?

He’s been there 5 years, very much doubt he’d be there 5 years and not be accountable.

I could see SOS questioning any direction given to him, if he thought it deserved questioning, ie. he ain’t a “yes” man. But that doesn’t mean he’s not accountable.

Added, if those in charge don’t like to be questioned, then they shouldn’t be in charge.



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Simply, SOS has had a framework in which he has worked under up until now, which he has largely made decisions unopposed or challenged. The board through the CEO have decided it’s not the best way to go about things and have decided that more levels of accountability need to be met. Not just letting one man have the ultimate say on all decisions recruitment wise.

In saying that, I’m not sure how SOS and co couldn’t work together on this to find common ground or a good balance, so maybe there is more to it.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

SOS not done yet..

Great news, little concerned with the supposed clashing of SOS and whomever, need this s**t sorted out CFC...

 

[JustaBattler]

This town ain't big enough for the both of us.........and it ain't me who's gonna leave.

Can you imagine if MLG ousted Liddle and kept his mate SOS?
How do we allow ourselves to keep slipping into these predicaments? When are we going to have an administration that just gets things right?

When CEO's BUT OUT of list management and Coaching - that would be a start.

 

[Gethelred]

This town ain't big enough for the both of us.........and it ain't me who's gonna leave.

Can you imagine if MLG ousted Liddle and kept his mate SOS?
How do we allow ourselves to keep slipping into these predicaments? When are we going to have an administration that just gets things right?

 

[HARKER]

When CEO's BUT OUT of list management and Coaching - that would be a start.

If it is as simple as that, how the **** was that allowed to go on? Are there no barriers in place, or is it a free-for-all again?

So amateur for all the posturing guised as professionalism. Shits me quite frankly.

 

[BluStreak]

I have no Idea what is going on behind the doors at Carlton.
I usually believe only half of what I see and hear as I do not know what the full conversations or picture may have been about.

IMO the recruiting team is there to provide recruiting advice not decisions that is with the List Management team.
How that is truly set up at Carlton i don't know but SOS and Agresta are designated as the List managers.
If SOS is being undermined then that does not bode well for our club because it suggests that someone is operating with an agenda that is not club focused.

 

[Blue Pulse]

Ellis is the definition of an average player in a very good team. Be interesting to see how he goes up north.

He could surprise us HBF, but for what their paying him, I'm glad we passed.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Seriously, the drivel on here is incredible.
Silly season in full bloom.

Some need a lot of toilet paper to whipe their chins.

It would be preferable if you could articulately debate the opinions you disagree with rather than blanket dismiss them in no uncertain terms.

Please and thank you

 

[DangerousD]

Apart from you - who is unhappy with the list manager? Where are you getting the idea that the Club ex one extremely expendable bald sales guy and ex Richmond chest puffer are 'unhappy' with SOS?

I think you need to practice your reading. I’ve never said I’m unhappy with the list manager or that anyone is unhappy with SOS.

You come across as pretty smart, so I’m not sure how you have taken this from a question that asked.

IF the club was unhappy with SOS why would they allow him to take charge of the draft?