Opinion Stephen Silvagni

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Percy2257 said:
Liddle did not appoint a mate. He was employed at a major accountancy firm, Ernst Young, as a specialist in sports administration. Google his LinkedIn account.
Sometimes people don’t work out. Thankfully he left after 2 months.
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Sports administration, spare me. The reality is that the AFL (and Australian sports in general) still does not attract high calibre people to these jobs. It’s a Mickey Mouse operation in many respects that unfortunately is also highly scrutinised. Not exactly attractive to the great and good of corporate life.
 
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Styxx said:
Liam Sumner
Rhys Palmer
Sam Kerridge
Billie Smedts
Matt Shaw
Aaron Mullet
Cam O'Shea
Daniel Gorringe
Matthew Lobbe
Andrew Phillips
Cam Polson
Darcy Lang
Jed Lamb
Jarrod Garlett
Jarrod Pickett

That is 15, mostly recycled players in 3 years that he has bombed on. I don't care about the hows or whys SOS and his team have stuffed way to many choices up for the precarious situations we started in.
That list could grow by another 5 by years end.
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You have no idea.
Perfect list build. He needed to bring in players that would only be around for a year of two. Those players cost virtually nothing. Have a look at our list now. We have talent everywhere.
Good luck with Cain’s mate Mick Agresta becoming in charge. This club is doomed!!
 
hugebluesfan said:
Not quite convinced on Liddle.
This doesn't happen often to good, solid, successful clubs.
When was the last time internal fights like this happened at Hawthorn or Geelong......
I hope I am wrong.....
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Maybe we didn't hire the right person for the job. Maybe.

Well run clubs don't find themselves in the 'messy' situations all too often but somehow we just can't help ourselves.
Just can't hire the right coaches, can't hire the right recruiters/list managers, can't hire the right CEO's etc and no one leaves us in a manner becoming of a professional organisation. Question should be "Why not?"

There will be fallout for this situation. You can bet on that.
 

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HARKER said:
Maybe we didn't hire the right person for the job. Maybe.

Well run clubs don't find themselves in the 'messy' situations all too often but somehow we just can't help ourselves.
Just can't hire the right coaches, can't hire the right recruiters/list managers, can't hire the right CEO's etc and no one leaves us in a manner becoming of a professional organisation. Question should be "Why not?"

There will be fallout for this situation. You can bet on that.
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What is this manner that you refer to?
 
Opine said:
What is this manner that you refer to?
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Ratten...Malthouse...Bolton
Swann...Trigg
Rogers...Hughes...Silvagni

Just have a look at the history of how we treat our own on the way out.
I have to repeat; It's not what you do but the it's way that you do it.

I wouldn't want to come to Carlton if I had other options.
Not the way we treat our people there and it doesn't matter how it comes about but for the fact - It just keeps coming about.

rampar said:
Really pissed at the club atm. Ceo should go
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I don't know how he's still there....but I have an agenda. (?)
He won't be there for long but I'm just not sure it's going to matter somehow.
Maybe our issues are so deep rooted that it will take more than moving one out here and moving one in there.
 
Frustrating that with the list in promising shape, the on-field performance trending upwards, membership in a good place, sponsors on-board.... our club finds a way to create angst, distractions and some sort of dysfunction.

I think SOS has done his job pretty well. Not perfect. He's not the genius some suggest. But he's got conviction and has executed an unprecedented list rebuild. He is and remains a club legend. Best of luck in whatever he does next. Hopefully it does not involve snide remarks and disruptions to the club.
 
HARKER said:
Ratten...Malthouse...Bolton
Swann...Trigg
Rogers...Hughes...Silvagni

Just have a look at the history of how we treat our own on the way out.
I have to repeat; It's not what you do but the it's way that you do it.

I wouldn't want to come to Carlton if I had other options.
Not the way we treat our people there and it doesn't matter how it comes about but for the fact - It just keeps coming about.



I don't know how he's still there....but I have an agenda. (?)
He won't be there for long but I'm just not sure it's going to matter somehow.
Maybe our issues are so deep rooted that it will take more than moving one out here and moving one in there.
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Sorry, I’m not sure what we are doing. Can you please clarify what we should be doing differently?
 
HARKER said:
Ratten...Malthouse...Bolton
Swann...Trigg
Rogers...Hughes...Silvagni

Just have a look at the history of how we treat our own on the way out.
I have to repeat; It's not what you do but the it's way that you do it.

I wouldn't want to come to Carlton if I had other options.
Not the way we treat our people there and it doesn't matter how it comes about but for the fact - It just keeps coming about.



I don't know how he's still there....but I have an agenda. (?)
He won't be there for long but I'm just not sure it's going to matter somehow.
Maybe our issues are so deep rooted that it will take more than moving one out here and moving one in there.
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It's a damn shame that Liddle has shat the bed, because the good work he was doing in the revenue space is the long term answer to the malaise you're banging on about
 
Oh FFS people get a grip, SOS was not going to be around forever. Never has at any job he’s been in except for his playing days.

You can’t have a list manager that is the father of probably 3 players on the list, he was going to go probably next year anyway as it’s a clear conflict of the role employed for.

I find it piss funny this thread started with SOS not being the messiah most thought and now he is



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Own The Future said:
The Carlton way is to “make someone an offer they can’t refuse.” I’m sure it’s almost impossible, but I’d love nothing more than to pry Wells from Geelong. I love SOS and what he’s achieved, but in my opinion Wells is the #1 recruiter/list manager in the game. It would be massive if we were to get him. No one would have thought that Russell would leave Hawthorn a few years ago - let’s use that same proactive approach with Wells.
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Would be great, but it seems he's well entrenched in Geelong - not just the club but also the location. Can't see him up and moving to the big city at this stage of his life/career, especially given Geelong wouldn't want to lose him.
 
JustaBattler said:
I don't think anyone is suggesting that carlton is going to fold because SOS has decided to not accept a non list management role and leave. We all now know that the CEO is the real list manager and that the Club is therefore in very good handsas far as list management goes- his sons dont play for the CLub so he has no conflict of interest - it is all good in Liddleton.
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Liddle made the call on Martin, Newnes, Pittonet, Kemp, Philp, Ramsay, Honey and Phillips, did he?
 

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smashbox gill said:
I’m bloody upset that SOS is leaving. We move 2 steps forward only to move a couple steps back due to old habits by leadership.

How can anyone give sos anything but a B+ at the lowest for his work. I’d give him an A+. He has turned the list over in 4 years to have the most potential young list in the comp
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We say this like Liddle is a Carlton man. He’s probably more Richmond if the truth be known.

That’s why he doesn’t understand the seriousness of what he’s done forcing SOS out.

One false move and he’s now toast.
 
Will be interesting to see how our attempts to find a list manager go given they have to compete with the CEO to do their job.

Doubt we will find anyone with experience in the job.

Articles state how the MLG gave SOS carte blanche to build the list. A bit like saying we gave Bolton Carte Blanche to coach the team. MLG employed him to do the job without interference from people not qualified to make decisions ie the CEO and the Board.
 
Sector 7G said:
Will be interesting to see how our attempts to find a list manager go given they have to compete with the CEO to do their job.

Doubt we will find anyone with experience in the job.

Articles state how the MLG gave SOS carte blanche to build the list. A bit like saying we gave Bolton Carte Blanche to coach the team. MLG employed him to do the job without interference from people not qualified to make decisions ie the CEO and the Board.
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It all comes down to whether SOS was listening to his team or not. If not then it’s probably best he goes if he was then Liddle should be gone.
For all we know SOS may have had to be overruled because he isn’t taking advice.

At the end of the day it’s a very sad day for the club. We have lost someone who looked to be doing his job very well.
 
Agresta is undoubtedly Liddle’s man and would be a disaster.

Not that this is reflective of his overall ability as a list manager, just another hilarious chapter in the Agresta files: when we met Adelaide at AFL House to finalise the Eddie deal, he made both teams wait over an hour because he forgot to bring Eddie’s power of attorney forms. Wasn’t a popular man that day.
 
HARKER said:
Ratten...Malthouse...Bolton
Swann...Trigg
Rogers...Hughes...Silvagni

Just have a look at the history of how we treat our own on the way out.
I have to repeat; It's not what you do but the it's way that you do it.

I wouldn't want to come to Carlton if I had other options.
Not the way we treat our people there and it doesn't matter how it comes about but for the fact - It just keeps coming about.



I don't know how he's still there....but I have an agenda. (?)
He won't be there for long but I'm just not sure it's going to matter somehow.
Maybe our issues are so deep rooted that it will take more than moving one out here and moving one in there.
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Harker, If you keep leaving it for the reader to narrow in on, and deduce, your argument it starts to get tiresome. I don’t think you understand your own argument; other than perhaps that something Just doesn’t feel right. Keep thinking about it, and clarify with us as you yourself get clarity.
 
Nori said:
JSOS was liking a tweet today saying Liddle didn’t like the carte blanche that SOS had been given by MLG to rebuild the list. Started going behind SOS’s back and approaching players directly.

Seems legit.
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Yeah. I noticed a couple of tweets that Jack has liked criticising the CEO.
Sadly, this whole situation has become toxic and it’s such a shame given the momentum the club seems to be building - in most part thanks to SOS.
Filthy at the way this is being handled.
 
This is annoying because it doesn't seem like an unfixable situation.

Can't Mark LG sit them down. Clearly tell Liddle where his scope of involvement is. Clearly go through roles.

Get Liddle to appologise. Tell sos he's our man and it won't happen again.

Everyone shakes hands and make Carlton great again together

FFS everyone put your egos aside. Get on the same page and do what's best for the club
 
I bleed Blue said:
This is annoying because it doesn't seem like an unfixable situation.

Can't Mark LG sit them down. Clearly tell Liddle where his scope of involvement is. Clearly go through roles.

Get Liddle to appologise. Tell sos he's our man and it won't happen again.

Everyone shakes hands and make Carlton great again together

FFS everyone put your egos aside. Get on the same page and do what's best for the club
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this is what makes me think there is more to it.
 
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