Opinion Stephen Silvagni

[Gethelred]

You missed my edit.

Every single day that he didn't fix this situation to a satisfactory level, was a mistake.

Being unprofessional is not a 'single mistake'.

You are determined to see the things you're looking at. Forgive me if I sound a little bit amused, because you're not really manifesting as someone who is reading what they're writing with any sense of logic or much beyond the rhetorical to add veracity to their posts.

'Being unprofessional is not a "single mistake"' indeed!

Liddle is new to being a CEO, and he will make mistakes. I've already said I was against the appointment initially, and I've already said I thought that, were he not currently under contract for a set amount of time, he'd be out of his position for this. However, your inability to see potential unprofessionalism from SOS, due to who he is and that you do not want him to leave (for what are entirely valid reasons, I might add), in order to add moral and rhetorical weight to your argument does you no favours.

You are emoting, rather than reasoning. This is a reasonable reaction, given that what you are discussing is something we all are passionate about. But when one feels rather than thinks, they are immediately subject to overreaction, and your commentary towards our 'basket case' status isn't assisting your argument either.

It is in the media's interest to simplify this down to a confrontation between SOS and Liddle; it allows them to create tired old tropes out of the two of them. We have no idea what went on, if Lloyd was involved, what if anything the rest of list management had to do with it; the club has not informed us as to this, and nor should they.

I suppose my question to you after all this would be, given the facts themselves stay the same (Liddle remaining, the clubs releases being what they are, SOS leaving) what would make you feel better about this?

 

[El Topo]

Maybe in technical terms but not in terms of what is required of a club to succeed in the short, medium and long terms.

The left hand still doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
It doesn't function as a single entity but as a group of individuals fighting for supremacy.
Liddle may well have taken up the cause on this, but left behind some shit stains as he went along and there was no one there to placate the mess that was in play and snow-balling to a very poor outcome for the club.
This is not the modern club I want for us and did we really offer Silvagni another 'make-up on the run' role? How modern is that?

It's evident to me and has been for some time that we really don't know what we're doing and when the heat comes on, we assume our default position of aggression, bad-blood and disunity. That's not the making of a modern club.

Only good outcome here is for the big, bad broom to come out and take out the players that aren't capable of running this club in the way it should be run.

We don't need a broom, we need a guillotine... If you get my meaning

 

[Stamos]

Liddle is new to being a CEO, and he will make mistakes. I've already said I was against the appointment initially, and I've already said I thought that, were he not currently under contract for a set amount of time, he'd be out of his position for this.



I suppose my question to you after all this would be, given the facts themselves stay the same (Liddle remaining, the clubs releases being what they are, SOS leaving) what would make you feel better about this?

1. Quite simply, having a contract is not a good enough reason for not being fired (if this is correct) when you otherwise would be. We should just suck up the cost and make the correct decsion.

2. A premiership.

 

[Korn]

the CEO shouldn't be making football decisions. Liddle shouldn't be micromanaging like that, especially football matters.

 

[Sector 7G]

Of course it was a clash between both of them.

But it's Liddle's job to fix it in a professional manner.

Was always going to end badly when Liddle put Agresta in a nonsensical role under SOS, and then got involved in list management behind SOS's back effectively having 2 list management teams.

Moving SOS on after 5 year for conflicts perfectly reasonable, it is the unprofessional way Liddle has handled it that is the problem.

The question I would be asking if I came on board as the list manager is what is Agresta's role and why do Carlton need him?

 

[Gethelred]

1. Quite simply, having a contract is not a good enough reason for not being fired (if this is correct) when you otherwise would be. We should just suck up the cost and make the correct decsion.

2. A premiership.

You are, of course, assuming this is the wrong decision. But then, I think you'd wear that.

Beyond that, we agree. If what results from this point is a premiership, who gives a flying **** what goes on behind the scenes?

 

[jpfalvo]

Bambi has been shot by the current administration, making it easier for a Presidential change.

I shouldn't really say that I'd be surprised....but I would be surprised should MLG now continue.
He should go and maybe even has to go. It just makes sense.

The members, the power-brokers and everyone in between won't be appeased to see only SOS's head having been lopped off.
Liddle and co can't go, but a presidential change would breathe some new life into this rotting corpse.

The current presidents leadership skills have been left wanting for some time now.

Completely silent in a crisis and under media scrutiny, whether it be poor performance, removal of personal or now this debacle.

President is representative of the members and should be driving a healing agenda.

Where is he in all of this? Gone missing again, when the club needs a leader to take control of the narrative and calm the supporters. Very poor in my opinion.

Juddchella as football director on the board, is reigning over another mess in what is his purvey. Surely he and the president sit as arbitrator when there such disagreements in departments, to ensure there isn’t a full scale public blow up like we are witnessing.

Sticks as President had many faults, but his ability to get out front and centre to defend us, was always evident.

Current President is reluctant at best.

 

[Stamos]

Was always going to end badly when Liddle put Agresta in a nonsensical role under SOS, and then got involved in list management behind SOS's back effectively having 2 list management teams.

Moving SOS on after 5 year for conflicts perfectly reasonable, it is the unprofessional way Liddle has handled it that is the problem.

The question I would be asking if I came on board as the list manager is what is Agresta's role and why do Carlton need him?

I assumed Agresta came in to boost the department and gain experience under SOS to be his successor.
We always thought SOS was going in a years time.

 

[blue healer]

Of course it was a clash between both of them.

But it's Liddle's job to fix it in a professional manner.

And you know that Liddle didn't try to fix this how?

 

[Stamos]

And you know that Liddle didn't try to fix this how?

Try?
Because if he had tried, and was in anyway competent befitting his postion, this would have been handled in a professional manner.

 

[iAsbestos]

Deluca is a midfielder yet he didn't play a single minute in the midfield.

We gave him three months to learn a completely new position and asked that he do it at the highest level possible. His pressure was very good but his skills were lacking and ultimately he was on a hiding to nothing.

Given what we've got heading into a new season I am not unhappy he's not on our list in 2020 but let's not rewrite history - we didn't give him a fair chance to make it.

Couldn't agree more bit of Gibbons about him also.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

I've stated the facts many times over. Provided many names that left this club in recent times under less than 'ideal' circumstances.
You go right ahead and see what you see and I can only continue to see what I see.........and as if we couldn't see this coming about in one shape or form from a long way out. We're a poorly run club and if that isn't a fact.....can't help you.

Hang on a moment, we've just achieved a fourth year of financial growth, our membership numbers are at a record high, and we've now got a playing list that should be pushing for the finals.

It's not all gloom, despite what has just happened.

Once the dust has settled, we all need to move onwards and upwards...and if individuals are not performing to the levels required either on or off field, they get moved on.

 

[therubbernub]

Love the posts you did during the Essendon saga, but I don’t quite get this.

For mine, a CEO that acts on an employee that they feel is overstepping the mark does not show a CEO with backbone. Rather, it shows it’s the CEO that’s overstepped the mark. Also shows stupidity.

Acting on a feeling is a dumb way to run a business, particularly when dealing with an employee that’s turned a very poor list into one with great potential.

Sounds to me like we’ve got a CEO who’s developing a massive ego.



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Like it or not SOS is a revered figure . Isnt that why most are sticking up for him. Its plain as day that SOS can do no wrong and Liddle is the "richmond guy'
But isnt this attitude what has got us into so much trouble- blind faith and not wanting to change.
If Liddle saw SOS flexing his influence in ways that are not appropriate, then surely as a CEO in a small business, he has the right to bounce him, and show him who is in fact running the club. Its not for us to judge who was in the wrong because we dont know all the information and facts. Those that do have those facts , have obviously judged that SOS was more in the wrong than CL was.

 

[Gointocarlton]

Isn’t he Juddy’s Mate?

If I am not mistaken, he was was Judchella according to the news rags

 

[iAsbestos]

I guess Agresta should take over? as he's another of our List managers isn't he? he was Sydney's recruiting manager

 

[JustaBattler]

Those that remain get to write history. The narrative has already been set along with the accompanying innuendo and implications. The pen is always mightier than the sword. Here is the nice package for everyone to digest and then construct their own accompanying narratives:

1. SOS was conflicted because of his two sons being on the list ( obvious questions of their worth attached);
and
2. Other people at Carlton were unable to function properly because of this massive conflict of interest - this made for and would continue to make for an unworkable organisational process. (Rurmours of his clashes with Bolton get referenced and hint of disagreements with Teague surface)
3. SOS was in fact 'in the way of sensible decisions' he stymied the acquisition of a 2 times Premiership hero in Ellis from Richmond, his negotiation skills failed in getting Papley and worst of all he was against bringing in Eddie Betts - he was 'lucky' to get martin over the line but what a messy way to bring in a player - through PSD
4. The President tried hard to make things right, Liddle tried hard to find a role for SOS out of List management -however SOS's well known arrogant and egotistical self refused any peaceful overtures and rejected any other role at Carlton
5. The President ( a close friend of SOS) did the right thing and left the independent CEO Mr Liddle to communicate the rest. The President has been busy dealing with rogue elements on the Board in Mathieson and this will be seen to shortly but not for discussion now.
6. No one is bigger than the Club and SOS's obvious and potentially ( nay inevitable ) conflicts of interest can not be part of Carlton's future.
6. Finally Liddle thanks SOS for helping Liddle put together the beginnings of a strong list.

To those who are unhappy we say we tried our best but you know what SOS is like - the bloke was a great player for Carlton and tried his best at List Management but times change and people have to change with them - we need to do better with rookie selections and late picks, we need to stop investing in poor players who get turfed out in a year - this is poor people management and we need to do better at this because we love our players. Most importantly we need to ensure that players earn their way onto the list - nepotism has no place at Carlton.

To all those wonderful members and supporters 'We are bound by Blue' - we are unified and we are confident good times are ahead under the leadership of Mr Liddle and his supporting team.

It has taken 2 days for people to switch from befuddlement and anger to moving on. Human nature is what it is.

Anyone who stays angry for too long will be typecast as a bad supporter - the Club is bigger than the individual.

In stuff like this 'positional power' is everything.

 

[jd2010]

If SOS wasn't SOS we wouldn't care less. He did a good job drafting and trading for picks and we should thank him for establishing the list. But he has struggled to add the finishing touches and has a conflict of interest with 2 sons on the list, one of which (Ben) had a rival club contact his manager. He WAS the best man for the job that he took on which was rebuild a list from scratch but now we have moved past him

 

[Gointocarlton]

Sydney dont seem to have a conflict of interest with the Blakeys. Just saying.

 

[Stamos]

has a conflict of interest with 2 sons on the list, one of which (Ben) had a rival club contact his manager.

Explain this?
SOS has a conflict because we didn't allow a 1st year player to be poached?

 

[Jeremias]

If SOS wasn't SOS we wouldn't care less. He did a good job drafting and trading for picks and we should thank him for establishing the list. But he has struggled to add the finishing touches and has a conflict of interest with 2 sons on the list, one of which (Ben) had a rival club contact his manager. He WAS the best man for the job that he took on which was rebuild a list from scratch but now we have moved past him

Can you explain the bolded please?

 

[Bostonian]

So if Liddle is part of the problem, who was respsible for hiring Liddle?

Who had the final say on signing off on the appointment?

 

[Rambis]

Sydney dont seem to have a conflict of interest with the Blakeys. Just saying.

Because Blakey is a gun. Silvagni is on the edge of selection most weeks. On the edge of trading most years. Possibly on the edge of trigger clauses every other season.

 

[Bostonian]

Can you explain the bolded please?

Small forward talent is almost non existent. Vital part of a balanced list.

 

[Jeremias]

Small forward talent is almost non existent. Vital part of a balanced list.

Not sure I asked you, but to suggest letting SOS go because he has struggled to bring in small forwards, is completely laughable.

 

[Sin City]

Don’t stress over the Richmond connection, Liddle will get the best in the business. And we’ve been hearing for years on trade radio that the best in the business is this guy!