Opinion Stephen Silvagni

[therubbernub]

Stamos, pointless cherry picking one game, surely you know by now what Bolton was trying to do. Right or wrong his method was about the future.

Teague thus far is the complete opposite and while wins are satisfying, hopefully that is not at the expense of the bigger picture

Didnt we go through that with Pagan? Culminating winning the preseason competition. BUT there is a big difference in list demographic -we now have a list with real talent rather than plodders and old has beens. IMO it is fair for DT to try to get them playing free flowing unencumbered football in order to get their confidence back. Confidence is what was missing under BB. I think we will be up and down under DT performance wise until we have learnt to value his new game plan which is in all reality still being formulated. DT will need to assess his cattle under match conditions before he knows what hand he has been dealt. Once he knows that he can really firm up his game plan.

 

[Opine]

It’s not. No one, nor family is bigger than the club. If the leadership group had expectations around drinking, everyone gets treated the same. Personally over hearing that surname this pre-season. It has become click bait and the media are eating it up.

I think it’s a case of “don’t piss on my head then tell me it’s raining.” The need for trust transcends the club. If an employee, player, even a supporter, feels they’re being had the club becomes small.

 

[Ockhams razor]

It’s not. No one, nor family is bigger than the club. If the leadership group had expectations around drinking, everyone gets treated the same. Personally over hearing that surname this pre-season. It has become click bait and the media are eating it up.

Nobody has said otherwise. Where has anyone said any family is bigger than the club?

However, each player brings a unique perspective and skill set.

To alienate, or sleight 2 players out of a list of approx 40 is stupid.

 

[Garters]

Not being able to bring in decent FA's and not being able to find decent young talent consistently on players outside the first round.

We brought in too many recycled hacks that had next to no upside.

How quickly exactly did you want this "decent young talent" to come on before one considers them 'decent'. You see this quite a bit on here! The fact they are kids should lend some level of inherent patience.

Secondly there is no free lunch, to get picks and ramp up the influx of young talent you have to take salary dumps and list fillers to remain a negotiable entity and also remain within the bounds of the AFL framework. We were he'll bent on stock piling early picks all the recycled hacks were tied in some way to most of those picks. Collateral damage if you like.

You think we scoured lists and thought sh!t we need to get that Matt Shaw kid in that's not getting a game at the Gold Coast. It's a quid pro quo game, creating salary space and high draft pick opportunities is a give and take process.

To the above SOS seems to have done pretty well. We do not know and wont know for a few more years exactly but the maturing first year crop seem to be starting to really look the goods along with the Setterfields etc.

Re his departure, if he is the difficult fractious bugger I am hearing well best he and the club part ways now the heavy lifting is done and a more tactical rather than shock and awe approach required. However we do not know.

Not teeing off at you directly, more your post got me typing. Why people pass value judgements on something we have no clarity of fact around is non sensical. Much of the SOS commentary is tedious to read and highlights a real lack of critical thinking.
What if all the assumptive heresay that has transpired is not the case and this is the best thing that could have happened to the club at this point. Could be, could not be.

Not overly palatable to most but not any less likely than the commonly assumed narrative.

Herd mentality not a great way of solving problems. Personally the more I see of this and the more I hear, the more comfortable I am about it.

 

[Bee Vee]

Bigger impact on Jack & Ben than some expected.

Watch this space...

AFL football is an elite sporting competition. I'm a big fan of both and I love the Father/Son concept but if they're going to throw the toys out of the cot because Dad no longer works at the club, you'd have to question if they have the maturity to be successful AFL footballers.

 

[Stamos]

Yeah well put, you’re right. I’m probably just frustrated at all the negative light being shone on the club at the moment.

We’ve done it to ourselves

 

[Opine]

I wouldn’t blame either or both of the boys if they feel they need a fresh start elsewhere.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I would actually be interested if any player outside of Ben and Jack give a shit. I would imagine the players would have bugger all to do with SOS. Moving on an assistant coach a couple players like would have a much bigger impact on a playing group then this ever would and we wouldn’t even give it a second thought because it’s a smaller story about a smaller name. Forty odd blokes on the list you are always going to have problems somewhere.

 

[Lace_Out]

Nobody has said otherwise. Where has anyone said any family is bigger than the club?

However, each player brings a unique perspective and skill set.

To alienate, or sleight 2 players out of a list of approx 40 is stupid.

Personally I think it's just going to drive them even harder to prove themselves. Might even be the tonic they needed to find that extra edge.

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[Garters]

17 is slowly.slipping away right before our own eyes, destroyed from within.

On the basis of?

 

[Opine]

I would actually be interested if any player outside of Ben and Jack give a shit. I would imagine the players would have bugger all to do with SOS. Moving on an assistant coach a couple players like would have a much bigger impact on a playing group then this ever would and we wouldn’t even give it a second thought because it’s a smaller story about a smaller name. Forty odd blokes on the list you are always going to have problems somewhere.

I think you’re being deliberately naive to suggest that the name is insignificant in the context of what the club’s embraced and recently promoted from a cultural perspective; at least insofar as supporters are concerned. Supporters are joint stakeholders in this club aren’t they?

 

[RoyalParade]

Bigger impact on Jack & Ben than some expected.

Watch this space...

Might need some extra time off over Christmas? Mental health?

 

[Gavstar]

Nobody has said otherwise. Where has anyone said any family is bigger than the club?

However, each player brings a unique perspective and skill set.

To alienate, or sleight 2 players out of a list of approx 40 is stupid.

To blame kids for their fathers sacking was never going to end well for the club.

Should have just said difference of opinions and left it at that.

Guess clever CEO needs excuses to avoid hard questions about his role in what are list manager decisions

 

[mickelboy182]

To blame kids for their fathers sacking was never going to end well for the club.

Should have just said difference of opinions and left it at that.

Guess clever CEO needs excuses to avoid hard questions about his role in what are list manager decisions

Pretty much this, the club coming out with that rubbish excuse is treating the members with contempt. Not all of us are that braindead.

 

[Gavstar]

Pretty much this, the club coming out with that rubbish excuse is treating the members with contempt. Not all of us are that braindead.

It was preferable that the club blame itself than the Silvagni kids.

 

[agro]

And there we have it, you make a point of SOS should have selected different players, then used your son in law as evidence, while not actually stating any analysis

As for my statement, every recruiter's hits and misses are accessible to everyone, go head, refute my statement

Pick any recruiter, perhaps your son in law

You’re the one making broad sweeping statements, with no analysis, there is no analysis in what you have said just opinion, and condoned bullying abuse.

 

[therubbernub]

AFL football is an elite sporting competition. I'm a big fan of both and I love the Father/Son concept but if they're going to throw the toys out of the cot because Dad no longer works at the club, you'd have to question if they have the maturity to be successful AFL footballers.

That is easy to say, but the reality is that they are all human beings and emotional . No matter how good you are as a player, your emotions can get in the way of peak performance. Some have the ability to use it to spur them on eg Dusty with his father. Others it leads to massive unraveling eg Yarran. If it is affecting them , then we should take it on face value, that they are upset, possibly feeling a bit alienated by the club and wondering what it all means. The club should be getting around them and making sure that they are under no illusions as to how much the club still needs them.

 

[dumb]

i thought the ellis / liddle situation was cleared up with the online forum. who the list manager is in that situation, is moot, and the opinion of liddle after this is based more on the opinion of ellis as a player rather than adherence to protocols. if it took the boot studder wearing the mascot outfit while farting the club song to get nat fyfe to join carlton, we'd be begging him to get fitted and eat some beans.

 

[Opine]

When Trigg departed the club in 2017, he said that he’d “like to think we’ve got people feeling as though they belong again“ Kudos to Trigg; in retrospect he did bring back a sense of belonging on many levels. I think that’s been more valuable an achievement than a lift in membership numbers on the back of creative offerings and auto renewals.

 

[MileHigh]

Nobody has said otherwise. Where has anyone said any family is bigger than the club?

However, each player brings a unique perspective and skill set.

To alienate, or sleight 2 players out of a list of approx 40 is stupid.

This is not good. Jack just hitting his straps and getting ready for a breakout year. Brother pushing for a spot in the seniors. Where does the heart lie between family and club? Being stuck in the middle is the worst place they could be and then getting slap with a petty "sanction" on top of that is only going to leave them more jaded. God dammit. Teague needs to save this. This is where he will prove his worth.

 

[Arr0w]

You’re the one making broad sweeping statements, with no analysis, there is no analysis in what you have said just opinion, and condoned bullying abuse.

Sure I have already covered this

As for bullying, even for you that is rich

Move on agro

 

[smashbox gill]

I’m getting less and less confident about Carlton everyday.
Just when everything was looking perfect, the same old Carlton sh^% happens with internal conflicts

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I’ve got an ill feeling that this time next year Jack and Ben won’t be on our list. Seems to be turning personal.

 

[HARKER]

I’ve got an ill feeling that this time next year Jack and Ben won’t be on our list. Seems to be turning personal.

I don't know about that and if they are, then it may be for reasons other than then 'showing the club', for the treatment of their old man.

Jack seemed pretty invested in his training on Tuesday and as weeks go on, things will change for the boys.
What's SOS going to do; Tell his kids to shut down their performances and therefore their careers? That's not going to happen.

It's simply that we can't manage situations well and everything keeps turning sour. That's disappointing.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I think you’re being deliberately naive to suggest that the name is insignificant in the context of what the club’s embraced and recently promoted from a cultural perspective; at least insofar as supporters are concerned. Supporters are joint stakeholders in this club aren’t they?

I don’t think I am at all. Bolton moving on last year would’ve upset ten times as many players yet it helped our performance. SOS moving on will have absolutely zero effect on the playing group outside of Jack And Ben. In terms of the playing group it is near a non issue compared to other things that go on.
From a club perspective it may be different but I wasn’t talking about that.