Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates pt3 - The Verdict

[Kurve]

Here is
- Claremont Murders - Part One and Part Two
- Media
- The Bunker
- Hey Bret? Stalking Claremont the book.
- Justice Hall's Decision 619 pgs

 

[BFew]

Re Telstra shares. We found some old Telstra TV adverts before the trial started where the tech is being promoted as the trusty guy you get in to your house when you have a problem with your phone.

I bet they've been taken down off youtube.

I took that as a challenge, and in the process came up with this Telecom ad from 1995 where the customer asks the youngish Telecom tech in her home fixing her phone line

is your dad still with the phone company?

Implying that both father and son work for Telecom

 

[Girlnextdoor]

FMD - Sherlock Holmes could match fingerprints....Im sure cops in 1990 could work it out.

Agreed JG, Sherlock and real policemen decades ago used one of these with great success! New implement called a magnifying glass, who knew?

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[zedx]

Is it not though that his fingerprints weren't even in the old system to begin with? They were still shoved into the bottom of the Huntingdale file?

It's weird. I find it really difficult to believe those prints didn't go where they were supposed to go considering for a very long time the police thought the Huntingdale prowler was responsible for the murder of Victoria Clarke.

He eluded every single trap. Is anybody that lucky?

He eluded every single trap. Is anybody that lucky? NO not under normal circumstances!!

 

[Kurve]

1995 Telstra advert.

"Is your Dad still with the phone company?"

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

Here I was racking my brain over how someone could beat the system like this with all the new technologies constantly put in place to stop criminals but it was the system which beat itself.

Jaw dropping incompetence.

 

[zedx]

They were so F'ing arrogant...."you dont know what we know, but we wont tell you anything"

Going through everything....this bloke should never have got to the point of becoming a murderer. He should have been locked up in 1990 after the coppers linked HH attack to Huntingdale.

Telstra aided BRE in getting a lenient sentence then let him use company cars to abduct and murder girls.

Every opportunity they had to assist, they f’ed up.

CG's old man was forgiving of the police and blamed media. I'd blame ******* Telstra before the media - all they did was keep it in the public eye.

Would love to see the Telstra employees held accountable for allowing BRE to murder (at least) 3 young girls. I hope they are having sleepless nights due to their inaction and allowing a serial killer to develop.

One of the reasons im with iinet

Then the coppers come out saying "someone out there knows something" - probably, but nobody knew what to report

Then the coppers come out saying "someone out there knows something" - ironic now -some one should have told them - !!

 

[BFew]

He eluded every single trap. Is anybody that lucky? NO not under normal circumstances!!

I'd feel much better if it was revealed that BRE had hacked his way into databases, removed himself from POI lists, tapped phones, disabled or reprogrammed security and surveillance cameras and CCTV, broken into Police Stations to move fingerprint records and witness documents, deleted mobile phone records from Telstra data warehouses, and destroyed Telstra hardcopy files and records related to himself, as opposed to honest mistakes from the Police, and no comment from Telstra.

 

[javaguice]

I'd feel much better if it was revealed that BRE had hacked his way into databases, removed himself from POI lists, tapped phones, disabled or reprogrammed security and surveillance cameras and CCTV, broken into Police Stations to move fingerprint records and witness documents, deleted mobile phone records from Telstra data warehouses, and destroyed Telstra hardcopy files and records related to himself, as opposed to honest mistakes from the Police, and no comment from Telstra.

No offence intended to anyone, but Forrest Gump could be a criminal mastermind in Perth.

 

[Kurve]

Then the coppers come out saying "someone out there knows something" - ironic now -some one should have told them - !!

Yeah, like again it was someone else's fault he hadn't been caught LOL

 

[BFew]

No offence intended to anyone, but Forrest Gump could be a criminal mastermind in Perth.

I'm surprised, that after Ray O'Connor, WA didn't get some honest John as Premier.
Instead they got a Burke of a con man, ex-Journo and equine specialist, with the gift of the gab, as Premier.
No lessons learnt.

 

[javaguice]

I just wish someone on here could photoshop Dr Evil with Forrest Gumps head....

Dont let me down team

 

[javaguice]

Oh:


I knew KJG had a fake license, didn't know it was her sisters.

Would have had the correct address etc. I swear I read somewhere that she knew he had her ID.....

 

[Krusty Crab]

No mention of break in and access to the house couldnt be had until the husband and father arrived

Just brainstorming - best access is to knock on the door and surprise attack - actually best access is an appointment but the phone was working at 12.38 and no mention of phone issues - so next is knock and attack

Is this in BREs MO? Just seems different I guess. I assume WAPOL took fingerprint evidence etc - thats on file

knock and surprise attack works on the idea that the killer wanted to kill her for a specific reason, and knew she was alone. otherwise why pick that house and not any other house? best access is to actually be allowed access to the house either by being a resident, or being a trusted acquaintance of a resident.

My brain storming makes me query the reason for the murder. with no effort to hide the body, i think it unlikely that she was a specific target, and was killed in a premeditated fashion. an unhidden body would usually suggest a spur of the moment murder. her handbag was still in plain sight, and there is no mention of any items being missing, or items being moved as though it was a home burglary gone wrong. the body being in the bathroom is also strange for my thoughts, there was no mention of the body being moved post mortem, and people dont usually follow others into the bathroom unless they have a very close relationship with that person.

also the state of injuries causing death was unknown as per the article - was a weapon brought from outside? was a weapon taken from the house? or was no weapon used?

was any unknown fingerprints or DNA recovered from the house? i would lean more to someone well known to the victim being the killer so far - was there any issues with the husband/marriage/boyfriend on the side?

 

[javaguice]

knock and surprise attack works on the idea that the killer wanted to kill her for a specific reason, and knew she was alone. otherwise why pick that house and not any other house? best access is to actually be allowed access to the house either by being a resident, or being a trusted acquaintance of a resident.

My brain storming makes me query the reason for the murder. with no effort to hide the body, i think it unlikely that she was a specific target, and was killed in a premeditated fashion. an unhidden body would usually suggest a spur of the moment murder. her handbag was still in plain sight, and there is no mention of any items being missing, or items being moved as though it was a home burglary gone wrong. the body being in the bathroom is also strange for my thoughts, there was no mention of the body being moved post mortem, and people dont usually follow others into the bathroom unless they have a very close relationship with that person.

also the state of injuries causing death was unknown as per the article - was a weapon brought from outside? was a weapon taken from the house? or was no weapon used?

was any unknown fingerprints or DNA recovered from the house? i would lean more to someone well known to the victim being the killer so far - was there any issues with the husband/marriage/boyfriend on the side?

Someone mentioned DNA being on file....no source from memory...

Would be keen to know the address and the proximity to 1st wifes new partners place...

BRE known for B&E...

 

[Krusty Crab]

I don't remember where I read it but it was reported that a victim who was then & now living in Tasmania saw the reports regarding the CSK, went to police in Tasmania & made a statement telling them about her own attack nearby. It wasn't until BRE was arrested that the same person contacted Perth police & it seemed that her statement never made it to MACRO. So to answer your questions, he HH victim DID go to police about it when it was first happening but her statement never made it to the right people OR.... It did but W.A. MACRO didn't want the sh*t storm it has now received back then & now. They messed up & they new it but perhaps wanted the HH story left out to look like they covered everything when they didn't. They needed her for trial though so her story eventually came out.
I kind of feel for Dawson, he wasn't the man in charge for all of those years.He's only been in charge since Mcgowen put him there. He wasn't even in charge when BRE was arrested. The blame should be thrown at the people who were in charge back then & leading up to BRE arrest who already had all of this information. Carl talks big these days about the errors made but he was freaking in charge well before BRE was arrested

i believe the person in Tasmania who made a report to police which wasn't passed on was the woman brad gave a lift to and then tried cracking on too. she got out of the car and he followed and tried kissing her. she was a blue belt in tae kwon do or some such, and told him to pull his head in or she will f***ing drop him. he backed off. when arrested this lady recognized him, and as she was living in tassie she told the cops there what happened, this was never passed on, which she found out when contacting perth police direct.

 

[the dark knight]

I just wish someone on here could photoshop Dr Evil with Forrest Gumps head....

Dont let me down team

Here it is. A rough job tho.

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

Being completely serious, I have seen slap-stick comedies based on police work that put WAPOL to shame here. No lie.

Check out ‘Get Smart’ or ‘Inspector Gadget’.

After all the chest puffing and false bravado about them knowing things others did not, after international attention & FBI involvement, after all the tax payer $$$‘s funding them, after trying to place the responsibility onto the public saying one of us knew something and now it’s clear that if the police could ACTUALLY DO THEIR JOB IN THE FIRST PLACE he could have been stopped in 1990!!

* me the Spiers, Rimmer & Glennon families should be encouraged to sue the pants off the ******* state over this.

WAPOL right now:

 

[Girlnextdoor]

Re Telstra shares. We found some old Telstra TV adverts before the trial started where the tech is being promoted as the trusty guy you get in to your house when you have a problem with your phone.

I bet they've been taken down off youtube.

Here's a golden oldie with streamline phones, and the very unfortunate slogan:
"Telecom, we'll take you back home".

 

[donpyke92]

Caporn absolutely owes an apology to Lance Williams' family, especially to his elderly mother.
Undoubtedly, the focus on LW held up investigations, especially regarding other people's reports of a Telstra man driving around.
Bradley Edwards couldn't be charged with sexual assault after Hollywood Hospital, that wouldn't get a conviction.
As brave Wendy D said, he could have, should have, been charged with a more serious crime than common assault..
mostly what happens when people have a punchup or dispute, which that crime wasn't..attempted deprivation etc...Edwards might've been on the radar then.
The judge at that trial can only judge on that charge...but probably? had access to Edwards' juvenile record, hence the sexual counselling
punishment.
Telecom/Telstra records shocking...in the trial the representative had all the info about Edwards' work hours, time slips, sick days etc,
mysteriously nothing about work vehicles to inform the police in early enquiries.....this is really on the nose smelly.
As is, as HH victim has said, no record of probation period after the attack on her, but records of promotion...f*** me.
Suspect father Bruce might be an influence on that, directly or indirectly.
Anyway, f### Telstra, ..someone from that organization should be acknowledging the mistakes made.
It is important.
Don't have any words for Caporn..

 

[Crankitup]

I heard Wendy Davis' story on the radio on Monday and there was one bit that rang alarm bells for me. She said that when he grabbed her from behind he put a cloth over her mouth/nose. At that point she stopped breathing in case there was a substance on the cloth that might knock her out. Eventually as she continued struggling she had to take a breath and she didn't smell anything on the cloth.

What if he had put something on the cloth beforehand but the cloth shifted as she struggled and a clean part of the cloth (substance free) ended up being over her nose when she took her breath? Maybe this saved her from being the first victim.

 

[Crankitup]

21 days starting now for prosecution or defence appeals in this case says Tom Percy (Nine news special)

Gary Adshead in WA Today must've got it wrong then ...

Edwards will have 21 days to lodge an appeal after being sentenced on December 23.

Claremont killer Bradley Edwards looking to lodge appeal against convictions

Within hours of Claremont killer Bradley Robert Edwards being found guilty of murdering Ciara Glennon and Jane Rimmer, his family members were looking to launch an appeal against the convictions.

www.watoday.com.au

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Either way we should start a countdown for how many days to go until the appeal window closes.

 

[zedx]

knock and surprise attack works on the idea that the killer wanted to kill her for a specific reason, and knew she was alone. otherwise why pick that house and not any other house? best access is to actually be allowed access to the house either by being a resident, or being a trusted acquaintance of a resident.

My brain storming makes me query the reason for the murder. with no effort to hide the body, i think it unlikely that she was a specific target, and was killed in a premeditated fashion. an unhidden body would usually suggest a spur of the moment murder. her handbag was still in plain sight, and there is no mention of any items being missing, or items being moved as though it was a home burglary gone wrong. the body being in the bathroom is also strange for my thoughts, there was no mention of the body being moved post mortem, and people dont usually follow others into the bathroom unless they have a very close relationship with that person.

also the state of injuries causing death was unknown as per the article - was a weapon brought from outside? was a weapon taken from the house? or was no weapon used?

was any unknown fingerprints or DNA recovered from the house? i would lean more to someone well known to the victim being the killer so far - was there any issues with the husband/marriage/boyfriend on the side?

No mention of rape? quite possible she was being stalked, just reminds me of the guy who turned up with the flower delivery and then raped the Nanny. She could have been trying to lock herself in the bathroom to get away from her attacker?

 

[Wombot]

1995 Telstra advert.

"Is your Dad still with the phone company?"

I hope that lady is ok.

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

No mention of rape? quite possible she was being stalked, just reminds me of the guy who turned up with the flower delivery and then raped the Nanny. She could have been trying to lock herself in the bathroom to get away from her attacker?

He may have even already been in the bathroom waiting for her after he gained access through the roof tiles and came down through the manhole into the house.

 

[GreyCrow]

Here's a golden oldie with streamline phones, and the very unfortunate slogan:
"Telecom, we'll take you back home".

That was an absolute belter of an ad and an award winner

I think it won the ''Grand Prize'' internationally

I dont need Barbra Streisand to hear that ad again. Still recall it without the need to watch it