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Can someone explain to me the logic of some board members wanting the higher pick even though our clear target (Horne) is unachievable? I think the difference between pick #2 and #5-6 is personal preference. Is there even a clear #2 or #3 ? It seems like all I hear about is a clear #1 in Horne. So then why would you want to lose to get number#2 or #3 when the guy we want will probably still be there at #5? I get trading down, but you don't celebrate on a board week in week out over trading down for a late first.
 
goyoucrows said:
Can someone explain to me the logic of some board members wanting the higher pick even though our clear target (Horne) is unachievable? I think the difference between pick #2 and #5-6 is personal preference. Is there even a clear #2 or #3 ? It seems like all I hear about is a clear #1 in Horne. So then why would you want to lose to get number#2 or #3 when the guy we want will probably still be there at #5? I get trading down, but you don't celebrate on a board week in week out over trading down for a late first.
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I think the general consensus this far out from the draft is 1. Nick Daicos, 2. Jason Horne, 3. Sam Darcy who is on the rise big time.

Daicos and Darcy both F/S so irrelevant.
 
goyoucrows said:
Can someone explain to me the logic of some board members wanting the higher pick even though our clear target (Horne) is unachievable? I think the difference between pick #2 and #5-6 is personal preference. Is there even a clear #2 or #3 ? It seems like all I hear about is a clear #1 in Horne. So then why would you want to lose to get number#2 or #3 when the guy we want will probably still be there at #5? I get trading down, but you don't celebrate on a board week in week out over trading down for a late first.
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There will be so many Victorian teams finishing in the bottom half they will want to leap frog each other to get the player they want given there are so many high sorted Victorian midfielder, i.e. this is what GWS did with Sydney which got us get pick 9 because our target was always McAsey so we traded down from pick 4 to pick 6 and got GWS future first rounder. Possibly Roberts is our target this year and given his recent injury he might slide to pick 6 so we might do something similar.
 
goyoucrows said:
Can someone explain to me the logic of some board members wanting the higher pick even though our clear target (Horne) is unachievable? I think the difference between pick #2 and #5-6 is personal preference. Is there even a clear #2 or #3 ? It seems like all I hear about is a clear #1 in Horne. So then why would you want to lose to get number#2 or #3 when the guy we want will probably still be there at #5? I get trading down, but you don't celebrate on a board week in week out over trading down for a late first.
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All picks move up as well. Pick 22 vs 26 etc.
FA compo picks become higher.
No guarantee the player will be there at 5-6.
 
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There will be so many Victorian teams finishing in the bottom half they will want to leap frog each other to get the player they want given there are so many high sorted Victorian midfielder, i.e. this is what GWS did with Sydney which got us get pick 9 because our target was always McAsey so we traded down from pick 4 to pick 6 and got GWS future first rounder. Possibly Roberts is our target this year and given his recent injury he might slide to pick 6 so we might do something similar.
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That's my point though. So all the members who are celebrating with every loss and saying we're closer to the bottom are doing this for a trade down. It's the mentality of a shit club
 
goyoucrows said:
That's my point though. So all the members who are celebrating with every loss and saying we're closer to the bottom are doing this for a trade down. It's the mentality of a sh*t club
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Not really, you need as lower pick you can get to give you the best option, one of the Victorian midfielders could be a bolter later in the year and to be as good as Horne so we might decide to pick him at 2.
 
goyoucrows said:
That's my point though. So all the members who are celebrating with every loss and saying we're closer to the bottom are doing this for a trade down. It's the mentality of a sh*t club
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So you don't have a point then?? People on here aren't the club and people's opinions here have no material impact on the way the team performs. Win/lose/draw people on here can think and say what they like. All the wishing and goody gum drops hopefulness doesn't make winning any more likely.
 

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goyoucrows said:
That's my point though. So all the members who are celebrating with every loss and saying we're closer to the bottom are doing this for a trade down. It's the mentality of a sh*t club
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Because bringing in top tier talent is the only way we can be better than a shit club. We've got a huge talent vaccum from the draft sanctions and the wasted draft/trade periods from 2014-17.
 
jackster83 said:
Because bringing in top tier talent is the only way we can be better than a sh*t club. We've got a huge talent vaccum from the draft sanctions and the wasted draft/trade periods from 2014-17.
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His point is that after Darcy, Horne and Daicos are picked, you're only at the second real pick and the talent from 2 to probably 7 is very even.

Being shitter this year doesn't help much, if we still draft the same player as we would have if we'd won more games.

Celebrating losing can quickly be a cultural issue.
 
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Hugh Jackson very quiet today with only 10 disposals 2 clearances at half time, O'Loughlin 6 disposals only?

Roosters getting flogged by the blood "n" tars
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Kobe Ryan back from Sacred Heart College and playing for Westies makes a big difference.

Bottom ager but Watch for him next year, tracking as a top pick already.
 
Mego Red said:
His point is that after Darcy, Horne and Daicos are picked, you're only at the second real pick and the talent from 2 to probably 7 is very even.

Being shitter this year doesn't help much, if we still draft the same player as we would have if we'd won more games.

Celebrating losing can quickly be a cultural issue.
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I've always said this is the last year we need to be close to the bottom to get a top 3 mid (I've always wanted two top 10,.but not sure how we could possibly make that happen). After that I think we should start to push for finals, but realistically we'll be looking at another top 10 pick next year anyway.

There's a lot to play out in this draft year. By the end we could have a clear top few who have genuine elite talent (after Horne and Daicos). I want to be in the correct position.
 
goyoucrows said:
That's my point though. So all the members who are celebrating with every loss and saying we're closer to the bottom are doing this for a trade down. It's the mentality of a sh*t club
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The mentality of a s**t club is an arrogant president and the boys club who choose not to face reality and destroy a team and list through incompetence.
The AFL have designed a socialist system and you can ignore it and fail or work with it for a chance at success.
The modern era was built on F/S gifts, PP, COLA payments and now FA & Academy hand outs.

The club made to choice to go to the bottom and sort of cleaned out the list to reset which some supporters had been saying was required and if your going to go there might as well do it properly.

While pick 2-7 maybe be even its our second pick and compo pick for MCrouch that is affected greatly.

Pick 21 & 22 vs Pick 26 & 27 has a significant effect on the following scenarios
1. Best available in 2nd round of draft
2. Trying to trade up for a 1st rounder
3. Trading for an established player
4. Future picks genuinely valued more.
 

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Mego Red said:
His point is that after Darcy, Horne and Daicos are picked, you're only at the second real pick and the talent from 2 to probably 7 is very even.

Being shitter this year doesn't help much, if we still draft the same player as we would have if we'd won more games.

Celebrating losing can quickly be a cultural issue.
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Hence it will be worst if you get pick 7-10 this year, I actually don't mind "barracking" for draft picks this year given we shown we have improved by beating the top teams and even last night's game we were up there until the last quarter after losing Walker in the 2nd quarter. If we didn't show this improvement even with all the injuries we had this season and loss to the Hawks and Collingwood I would be pissed.
 
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If collingwood want daicos and to pick up the compulsory 6 picks over the next two seasons or whatever, how are they going to manage that?? Wouldn't want to be their list manager this year.
 
Carmo said:
If collingwood want daicos and to pick up the compulsory 6 picks over the next two seasons or whatever, how are they going to manage that?? Wouldn't want to be their list manager this year.
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its no problem as they can use picks at the end of the draft that carry no points which they will automatically get allocated once they spend points for Daicos
 
Mego Red said:
His point is that after Darcy, Horne and Daicos are picked, you're only at the second real pick and the talent from 2 to probably 7 is very even.

Being shitter this year doesn't help much, if we still draft the same player as we would have if we'd won more games.

Celebrating losing can quickly be a cultural issue.
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Who is celebrating a losing culture?

Perhaps it's a fine line but where we're at, we have two somewhat conflicting goals - develop our youth and culture but also, while we don't have the key to the larder like last year, we're still near the head of the queue and we need to load up on talent while we can.

While it might not end up mattering whether we have pick 6-7 or 3-4 given the seeming evenness of talent at that level, we can have choice - choice is the word - which might land us local lad Roberts. This could be a big difference down the track if he turns out to be an elite player for us in terms of retaining him - don't have to pay extra-overs dollar/time wise vs picking a Vic Metro lad who turns out elite (we've seen that movie before).

Choice will also flow on to our other picks as well.
 
Geez. Imagine being Collingwood list manager. You would have had pick 4 to cover a bid from Daicos. You would have been able to split that pick for points and probably had change. Meaning you’d be able to go to the draft and get Daicos plus have your early second rounder.

Instead they’ll be short points and either trading out players or their 2022 second for points.
 
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