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[Matty411]

Watching from afar, I really liked Bucks but the Lumumba culture stuff has spooked me a bit. I don't know the man at all personally so maybe it was a club thing over him specifically. In the past yes shown that he is a great relationship ships guy and a handy coach.

Still rather Ross.

 

[zeggie]

Nobody is saying it because of his brother.

He's quite similar to Jones in that he has strength, he has some pace off the lead, has a decent vertical leap and he understands the forward craft which can benefit in understanding how forward play is unfolding.

It will also challenge him to work harder and stay more engaged in a game rather than just drift in and out.

Imagine how effective Jones could be if we could release him more often as an intercepting defender.

Na, there's no point spending 2 years teaching him to be Liam Jones.

It's time to cut the cord, IF we can.

 

[rp84]

I'd be super keen to have Pyke/ Bucks/ Voss as senior assistant for a few years with a view to clean transition after RTB wins back to back flags in 23-24.

 

[bmaurizio]

We should trade Mitch McGovern

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Mitch Mcgovern

Age

31

Ht

190cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

189.8

3star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.1

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

3star

MG

179.6

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

218.0

4star

for Riccardi.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Old bloke who used to feel important and special as head of an external Coterie group no longer feels important and special and wants to be President of Carlton so he can feel important and special again, despite having no plan, clue, support, skills nor finance.

Summed up perfectly..... Except you forgot to add "no sense of timing" to that

 

[Blugazi]

Could be a long day trying to organize trades with the Giants!

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[Arr0w]

They took 2 weeks to consider the report. They gave Teague a right of reply and it didn't go well obviously.

Sayers has never been a supporter or advocate of Teague

Unless we were making finals, he was gone

 

[Gethelred]

Nobody is saying it because of his brother.

He's quite similar to Jones in that he has strength, he has some pace off the lead, has a decent vertical leap and he understands the forward craft which can benefit in understanding how forward play is unfolding.

It will also challenge him to work harder and stay more engaged in a game rather than just drift in and out.

Imagine how effective Jones could be if we could release him more often as an intercepting defender.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you that no-one is saying it because of his brother. And it might challenge him, but I genuinely do not see the point. You would be paying a player 700 thousand a year to be a second defender.

Trading him elsewhere is removing the onerous part of his contract from our books, and freeing up the list spot for someone who's willing to work. If we get in Riccardi, that's Jack, Riccardi and Kemp for midsized utilities and Riccardi and Oscar for KPP posts, which frees up the draft for genuine KPP options. Gov, like Gowers, is a mid sized player who plays tall; you can afford to have these types when they're consistent contributors or when you lack genuine KPP options, but we don't lack genuine KPP options at either end; Charlie, Harry at one end; Jones, Weitering at the other. The response there is, what about a third tall or backup; my reply there is, you're willing to pay 700 thousand a season for three more years for backup?

We need to get better from that list position; if he winds up pulling his finger out and playing a pivotal role in front or behind the ball, I'm more than happy with it. But right now, he is genuinely a drain on the club.

He isn't playing, and when he is he hasn't met AFL standards in more than a single game he's played, and he's getting almost double the AFL median player wage.

 

[Zlatan]

He would come cheap - adds depth to our key position stock - can play forward or back.

If he comes cheap, no issues. And we need talls right about now.

 

[Gethelred]

Or in other words - new coach do good preseason, Blues beat Tigers, everyone happy.

Is that part of the Carlton Now sales pitch?

If so, I'm in.

 

[WeninRome]

Would be nice if one or two of the ITKs could pop in and set us straight regarding the Liddle and Lloyd.

At a minimum and for optics, Lloyd should have been knifed too. It can't all sit on Teague, seems very unfair.

 

[Bostonian]

Na, there's no point spending 2 years teaching him to be Liam Jones.

It's time to cut the cord, IF we can.

Imagine if we'd applied that attitude to Jones.

 

[Arr0w]

Riccardi could play KPD, along with Weitering, allowing Jones, who is quick enough, to play 3rd tall interceptor

 

[Faz 2000]

I find it hard to get excited about player trades right now. I feel like our club is a burning house, so the style and quality of furniture we put in it right now is irrelevant. It'll all go up in smoke. Need to extinguish the flames and work out why the fire keeps starting.

 

[Magruder]

Nobody is saying it because of his brother.

He's quite similar to Jones in that he has strength, he has some pace off the lead, has a decent vertical leap and he understands the forward craft which can benefit in understanding how forward play is unfolding.

It will also challenge him to work harder and stay more engaged in a game rather than just drift in and out.

Imagine how effective Jones could be if we could release him more often as an intercepting defender.

I'm of the view that McGovern could be something extraordinary as an intercept defender.

He's a match winner if you can it in his hands 20 times a game...

Just needs to get and stay fit.

 

[DangerousD]

On Riccardi....he's a good player, but don't see where he fits with Harry, Charlie, McGivern and JSOS.

Certainly not worth trading good assets for unless we are reshuffling.

He fits in down back. McGovern, who’s he? He will be injured anyway

 

[JustaBattler]

Buckley is an accomplished media performer with a track record of being able to beat Carlton every time ( no different to most coaches on this point) and a track record which sees him as being proven to be less than honest in dealing with players and certainly less than honest with his own wife and family and for people to suggest that this 'character' is a superior choice to Lyon because Carlton 'respects' is pretty difficult to reconcile. Like Hardwick, Buckley is going through a classic mid life crisis - complete with trophy GF trade in for passed used by date wife and who cares about any kids - all that is missing is the new baby pram pushing to come.

On character basis - that would be a hard NO from me.

On a football basis Buckley's resume does not compare to Lyon's on any objective basis - as was demonstrated previously.

I think Scott @ Norf's over achieved and the last couple of years were pretty tough. at Carlton, he wouldn't have the resource constraints that Norfs are burdened with - but according to his brother Scott, is enjoying his work with the AFL and having a life.

Still prefer Lyon IF he wants to come into the Carlton maelstrom - intelligent enough to manage the remaining dregs responsible for where we aren't - whilst they are still there. The only negative with Lyon is that he probably doesn't have a natural disposition to molly coddling the meedja peeps - and most people seem to place a great emphasis on how well coaches handle meedja peeps as some sign of uber coaching competency - which is strange.

Lyon at least can string a sentence together which is not only rational but interesting- at Carlton we've had a bunch of mumblers as coach for a decade - apart from Bolton - who no one liked because he had the job of playing teenagers and copping smashings.

 

[Max Pepsi]

Riccardi could play KPD, along with Weitering, allowing Jones, who is quick enough, to play 3rd tall interceptor

Yep, also 22 I think so I reckon he has a fair bit of growth potential. If he comes cheap & improves, he'd be a good fit age-wise.

 

[Garters]

They'll be kept out of that process as much as possible.

The amount of work a CEO would need to do to takeover a month before end of season (even for teams not playing finals) makes it an unrealistic improbability.

Finish what you're already doing and position the new guy to come fully on board fresh.

This. It is a massive transition. A CEO presiding over an organisation at the time that its incoming Chair is forced to perform an external review to get to the bottom of a broad underperforming outfit is not going to last. He will go at some point when a suitable candidate is found and prepared.

 

[Garters]

Or in other words - new coach do good preseason, Blues beat Tigers, everyone happy.

Spot on!

 

[El Topo]

Seems that McGovern has resumed his role as sin eater for the entire club. He got himself into shape this year and did a bad hammy after a strong individual performance - yet the supporter commentary towards him is downright venomous.

 

[Matty411]

Hell yes Riccardi. 3rd rounder hopefully gets it done.

 

[Magruder]

Riccardi could play KPD, along with Weitering, allowing Jones, who is quick enough, to play 3rd tall interceptor

I reckon McGovern can play that 3rd defender role...
Add Kemp in to the mix with Riccardi, and we have options.

Just need another versatile KPF/Ruck type imo.

 

[zeggie]

Imagine if we'd applied that attitude to Jones.

Different times, we were rebuilding and had cap space and list spots. We aren't now.

 

[Bostonian]

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you that no-one is saying it because of his brother. And it might challenge him, but I genuinely do not see the point. You would be paying a player 700 thousand a year to be a second defender.

Trading him elsewhere is removing the onerous part of his contract from our books, and freeing up the list spot for someone who's willing to work. If we get in Riccardi, that's Jack, Riccardi and Kemp for midsized utilities and Riccardi and Oscar for KPP posts, which frees up the draft for genuine KPP options. Gov, like Gowers, is a mid sized player who plays tall; you can afford to have these types when they're consistent contributors or when you lack genuine KPP options, but we don't lack genuine KPP options at either end; Charlie, Harry at one end; Jones, Weitering at the other. The response there is, what about a third tall or backup; my reply there is, you're willing to pay 700 thousand a season for three more years for backup?

We need to get better from that list position; if he winds up pulling his finger out and playing a pivotal role in front or behind the ball, I'm more than happy with it. But right now, he is genuinely a drain on the club.

He isn't playing, and when he is he hasn't met AFL standards in more than a single game he's played, and he's getting almost double the AFL median player wage.

I think you're missing the point in that I'm not sure there's any clubs out there who would want to take on his albatross of a contract given how he's performed.

We're most likely stuck with him so we might as well see what else we can get out of him besides an underperforming forward.