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[Scodog10]

You don't call stacking drafts picks and heaps of other advantages for expansion clubs match fixing?

Competition rigging??

Of course I understand the rationale.

But it is none the less what it is.

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[jonbe54]

No, I don't call it match fixing.

We all have different standards.

 

[sr36]

We all have different standards.

It's not about standards. I don't think the competition was fixed in the slightest. The results certainly don't suggest that the advantages were over the top. Two expansion teams came in. One of them was badly run and has been a basket case. The other was well run and has become competitive, but no one's definition of dominant. Results suggest the AFL may have gotten the concessions right and gave these new teams a fair shot.

 

[jonbe54]

It's not about standards. I don't think the competition was fixed in the slightest. The results certainly don't suggest that the advantages were over the top. Two expansion teams came in. One of them was badly run and has been a basket case. The other was well run and has become competitive, but no one's definition of dominant. Results suggest the AFL may have gotten the concessions right and gave these new teams a fair shot.

Then I need to be clearer.

I totally understand that the actions taken were necessary for the integrity of the expansion plans.

However.

The actions in isolation are classic match/competition fixing.

 

[sr36]

Then I need to be clearer.

I totally understand that the actions taken were necessary for the integrity of the expansion plans.

However.

The actions in isolation are classic match/competition fixing.

I get your point. All the equalisation measures can be viewed that way from an idealist perspective. But the alternative is having the competition fixed by money.

 

[jonbe54]

I get your point. All the equalisation measures can be viewed that way from an idealist perspective. But the alternative is having the competition fixed by money.

Or by betting companies - anyway we are drifting further from the point.

The AFL is far too ungoverned in recent times and apt to make decisions on opinions rather than factual data.

After reducing rotations and citing a completely bullshit study as justification they lost me.

I wouldn't trust them as far as I could kick them.

 

[sr36]

Or by betting companies - anyway we are drifting further from the point.

The AFL is far too ungoverned in recent times and apt to make decisions on opinions rather than factual data.

After reducing rotations and citing a completely bullshit study as justification they lost me.

I wouldn't trust them as far as I could kick them.

When introducing a change, they've got to use theory and not data, because no data exists for an environment that hasn't existed before.

The theory was that the growing rotations was trending towards continual high intensity acts - more sprinting, less sustained running - and thus more injuries.

No idea what injury data now suggests about the impact of lower rotations.

 

[jonbe54]

When introducing a change, they've got to use theory and not data, because no data exists for an environment that hasn't existed before.

The theory was that the growing rotations was trending towards continual high intensity acts - more sprinting, less sustained running - and thus more injuries.

No idea what injury data now suggests about the impact of lower rotations.

They quoted a study in the media as justification for the change.

Not my bias or opinion, documented fact it will be in newspaper and video records of that time.

 

[JoinDate]

I have a persecution complex, everyone is out to get me.

Oh, you pointed out the obvious holes in my reasoning... quick, look over there! This is the real problem!

 

[magpies42]

This bloke... 10 bets, banned for two matches. Stevenson was 3 bets (IIRC), banned for 10 matches.

Uncapped Sun cops ban and fine for 10 bets on AFL games

AFL bans Rhys Nicholls for two matches and fines him $5,000 for breaching betting protocols

www.afl.com.au

Collingwood is unfairly treated in all aspects of the game, not helped these days with the trial by (social) media crap

 

[Kappa]

Collingwood is unfairly treated in all aspects of the game, not helped these days with the trial by (social) media crap

Don't we receive the most free kicks in recent years?

 

[jmac70]

Don't we receive the most free kicks in recent years?

Not when it counts.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Punishment seems a little light, does it say he dobbed himself in like apparently Stevo did or just busted.

Did stevo actually voluntarily dob himself in….or did he blab to a senior player who told him to dob himself in? I recall the latter…. The leadership group told him to fess up.

Regardless the punishment should be greater in the games you play in.

 

[Kappa]

Not when it counts.

We didn't get many important frees in 2018?

 

[jmac70]

We didn't get many important frees in 2018?

There was one at the end that would have been handy.

 

[Kappa]

There was one at the end that would have been handy.

Yeah, but plenty of others that could've gone to West Coast too.

 

[neilk]

Did stevo actually voluntarily dob himself in….or did he blab to a senior player who told him to dob himself in? I recall the latter…. The leadership group told him to fess up.

Regardless the punishment should be greater in the games you play in.

You are right, I believe it was Jeremy Howe who overheard him talking about the bets and told him to come clean.

 

[jmac70]

Yeah, but plenty of others that could've gone to West Coast too.

Yeah but….yeah

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Yeah, but plenty of others that could've gone to West Coast too.

Maybe, but explain the one against Grundy in the last. I’ve never heard the reasoning or even what was actually called.

 

[Horaceg]

Did stevo actually voluntarily dob himself in….or did he blab to a senior player who told him to dob himself in? I recall the latter…. The leadership group told him to fess up.

Regardless the punishment should be greater in the games you play in.

Correct but he did fess up, betting on any game is not right, the players know right from wrong and the punishment should be reflective of their choices, not games played. This guy was betting on Suns games.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Correct but he did fess up, betting on any game is not right, the players know right from wrong and the punishment should be reflective of their choices, not games played. This guy was betting on Suns games.

Whether or not you played in the game you bet on should definitely be a deciding factor in the severity of the punishment.

If you play in a game you bet in then the opportunity is there for match fixing. Which is the worst of the betting sins.

And as it’s been pointed out, Stevo only fessed up because he was forced to.

 

[Horaceg]

Whether or not you played in the game you bet on should definitely be a deciding factor in the severity of the punishment.

If you play in a game you bet in then the opportunity is there for match fixing. Which is the worst of the betting sins.

And as it’s been pointed out, Stevo only fessed up because he was forced to.

I think I agreed with you but he was betting on Suns games, you don’t think he had inside information or at the least could have.

 

[sideswipe]

I think I agreed with you but he was betting on Suns games, you don’t think he had inside information or at the least could have.

They would have looked at the nature of the bets and worked that out. “Prop bets” that could be spot fixed versus say betting on the result.

This reads like a dumb player doing dumb things. Closer to Sier betting on non-Pies games than Stevo betting multis on games he was playing in.


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[Black_White]

I can help with that. As my wife says... "Get someone who knows what they're doing."

Hanging a door is the simplest of DIY projects.

 

[Kappa]

Maybe, but explain the one against Grundy in the last. I’ve never heard the reasoning or even what was actually called.

It doesn’t really matter, you’d need to go through every single decision and non decision throughout every second of the game to find out which team benefited more. At the end of the day it’s irrelevant, players made more mistakes than the umps.