Autopsy 2022 Rd 6 - Never in it. Blues disappoint in the West.

[4flagsin5yrs]

Voss reckons it's (hopefully) nothing more than a "significant" corkie....

 

[Aphrodite]

Of course a non paying Carlton member who forgets the last 20 years of trashed dished up

Who are these 'non paying Carlton Member/s' you speak of.

 

[cookie monster]

Chin up baggers.

Pittonet injury shifted the game. Darcy man handled TDK, but that kid can run, jump, decent skills, still a work in progress. Few preseasons and he’ll be a key component of your team. If Injuries were reversed (Darcy 1st quarter and Pittonet 4th quarter) the result would likely have gone your way.

Saad is amazing, at times he was defending 2 small forwards who streamed forward and he was intense in his run and chase. Even his contest was high end, took some decent marks.

The exact opposite is Williams. No run, no spread, no intensity, coughed it up occasionally. I’d love to see his GPS numbers, I think they’d be poor. We had a similar player in Wilson who now finds himself at Peel with the recruitment of Jordan Clark.

If you look at our time on ground stats. Our mids are all around the 75% mark, our HBF spend near on 100% game time, and they are super fit. As are our half-forwards.

You need a better 2nd tall and 3rd tall defender. Lewis Young is average, he looked much better when he was 2nd ruck / forward. McGovern should help.

Cripps is a monster, very hard to bring down. The midfield balance is off, not enough outside runners, wings are shoe-horned inside mids and look just that. I’m not sure who you have in the reserves.

Fortunately outside runners only take 1-2 seasons to hit their straps or are easily traded for; Brandon Walker 2nd year player, Michael Frederick 3rd year player, Blake Acres steak knives in a trade, Nathan O’Driscoll 2nd year player. Jordan Clark cost an early 2nd rounder, James Aish 2nd rounder, Travis Colyer 4th rounder. 2-3 players who can run and spread will make all the difference.

Probably as accurate an assessment from any opposition poster as you will see. Good post

 

[Benaly28]

Freo had this game marked on the calendar preseason after we got them twice last year. Longmuire has had the continuity of multiple seasons and has the Dockers up and about.
We were a bit off the boil and didn't get the space and time we have found in other games. Injury toll starting to be felt as we can now see what happens when the bottom 5 aren't up to it.

The one saving grace is after a bad loss the analysis used to be multiple surgeries, now at least prescripton drugs will do the job.

Looks like 5th to 8th is where we should be, the back to the draft to fix our depth issues.

CB

We were always 5-8 th this year


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[BlueTang]

Voss reckons it's (hopefully) nothing more than a "significant" corkie....

I reckon he would have a pretty good idea about it. Reckon he misses only one week. From my memory of these, you can barely run for 7-10 days then your leg goes 100% back to normal very quickly

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Probably as accurate an assessment from any opposition poster as you will see. Good post

We have Philp. Carroll, Honey - all terrific outside runners (Philp inside too).

mOTLOP TOO.

 

[Benaly28]

Probably as accurate an assessment from any opposition poster as you will see. Good post [emoji106]

Agree speed has always been an issue.That’s where Dow ‘could’ help.Saad and Williams on the wings could work but not sure if their fit enough.The side seems one paced.


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[Benga]

Walsh would be more damaging on the wing even if he got less possessions.

When Cuningham returns does he have the endurance for playing wing?

Cuningham gets lost at the best of times. Not at this stage for mine

 

[BlueTang]

We were always 5-8 th this year


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No. 3-5 is where we should finish.
Remember; we beat Melbourne in a preseason game and they were trying - don’t say only preseason…
We have also had to play without McDonald 4 games, Gov 3 games, Cripps 2, Kennedy and Pitto.
Not to mention we still have a few long term injured players to come back.
We are a lot better a side than most think, there has also been a big drop off with a few teams, we should be right up there at the end of the year

 

[Aphrodite]

Anyone got a link to Voss presser?

Couldn’t find it on Kayo.

AFL R6 | Voss post-match

Michael Voss speaks to the media following the Round 6 match against Fremantle.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[rp84]

That said, it could easily have been Darcy who got the PCL. Knee on knee is a raffle, so I don't think it was that deliberate.

Maybe. I think it's almost always the one going slightly softer in the contest (who gets the contact injury) If you have the momentum, you're way more likely to translate those forces into the other person. Particularly with the PCL knee on knee.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Rubbish.

If it were Darcy that went down early, the result would have been the exact opposite.

De Konig was ok. Until we replace personel on the outside with more skill we will not have a plan b. Freo have an inside and outside game

 

[Jabba73]

Who are these 'non paying Carlton Member/s' you speak of.

I’m a fully non-paid member of thousands of organisations across the country.

 

[passmark]

No. 3-5 is where we should finish.
Remember; we beat Melbourne in a preseason game and they were trying - don’t say only preseason…
We have also had to play without McDonald 4 games, Gov 3 games, Cripps 2, Kennedy and Pitto.
Not to mention we still have a few long term injured players to come back.
We are a lot better a side than most think, there has also been a big drop off with a few teams, we should be right up there at the end of the year

3?
we’re not the 3rd best team in the comp.

 

[goreds]

It's not Saad's fault that Doc and Williams also play looser than they could. We can deal with one of them playing a little loose, two at a push, but all three?

He's the best defender of the three, but he's also the most creative, the fastest, and if not the best kick of the three he's more likely to pull the best kick off than Doc is. Off a wing, he's freer to both do that defensive running but also to be used more offensively.

There's nothing inherently wrong with the wings doing defensive running, but it's the difference between run coming from half back and kicking to 35-40m out and run coming from the wing and kicking to the top of the square. Deeper kicks to advantage inside 50.

Agreed, HBF’s need to play tighter. Number one job defend first…

I remember Parko once saying, we are only as good as our bottom 6….

I will always agree with this…

 

[Beyond Blue]

De Konig was ok. Until we replace personel on the outside with more skill we will not have a plan b. Freo have an inside and outside game

100% agree.

Last night showed again we can actually hold up the runs ons but because we really struggle to generate forward entries from open play - unless it’s off the back of stoppage clearance work - eventually the sheer weight opposition forward entries wears us down.

Freo on the flip side can generate inside 50s from stoppages and turnovers so I think if Darcy went down as opposed to Pitto they still would have won because they don’t rely so heavily on any one method unlike us.

I’ve been against changing players positionally too much because they would have been prepared physically and mentally to play certain positions but it might be time to consider some positional changes such as Saad, Doc or even Williams further up the ground to give us a bit more of a dynamic look going forward.

 

[thylacine60]

Agreed, HBF’s need to play tighter. Number one job defend first…

I remember Parko once saying, we are only as good as our bottom 6….

I will always agree with this…

yep - though it sometimes seemed like he meant "back 6"......

 

[Doro]

Interestingly, we had the top 5 ball winners on the ground, but then had 10 players with 9 disposals or less. Too much left to too few. Time to reward some of the VFL form I think.

 

[carlton_99]

Voss reckons it's (hopefully) nothing more than a "significant" corkie....

tbh i don't even think he even believes that (happy to stand corrected)

 

[Christou2Kouta]

Harry's been pretty important late in the close ones this year. A portion of his goals are now going to Charlie.

I am far more concerned about Owies and Durdin. Durdin's smart and a hard worker, but you cannot be a pressure forward by yourself. You need at least two others who also bring the pain around the balldrop, and you need teammates who don't over commit to the ball instead of ensuring that the next tackle is taken care of.

Owies is looking slow, unable to find separation, unable to kick further than 30m, and easy to shrug off. Jack is really too slow and not agile enough to be a pressure forward, even with all the will in the world.

We desperately need Motlop to come in and have an impact, almost immediately.

Yep, if you’re going to be a fairly limited footballer, you need to be absolutely clinical and reliable in the things you do well. Owies can’t afford to be dropping chest marks, missing gettable set shots or not sticking tackles, which he has done too often so far this season.


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[95blues]

Here's the issue there: our HBF's are less defensive than perhaps they should be, with Williams and Saad backing all the way up to HF. As a consequence of that, we need our wings to do more defensive running/positioning to compensate. If we had the defensive HBF's - or at least our HBF's didn't get dragged so far upfield - then we could use Walsh/Cerra as attacking wings.

Then you get to the issues with speed we'd have if they were shifted outside a stoppage.

I'd really be sending Saad up to a wing, because he'd be a gun on a wing. Let Williams and Doc fight it out between each other for the HBF and promote Stocker as a defensive back pocket.

I actually think its our Half Forwards that let us down defensively.

Williams, Newman, Saad are generally in good defensive position while also attacking well.

It's the opposition half-backs that are providing all the link up play and even a lot of forward 50 entries.

My 2c anyway.

 

[The Bighouse]

tbh i don't even think he even believes that (happy to stand corrected)

Thought he said it looked like we’d dodged a bullet on that one, so I was more bullish on the outlook than before listening to that.
See how the scans come back.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Time to reward some of the VFL form I think.

Wanna see Carroll get a run.

For some reason he has had a harder path to put himself in the frame & his form is too good for just a dew kicker.

Him for Newnes, who is a clogger.

 

[The Fantom]

tbh i don't even think he even believes that (happy to stand corrected)

Did you think the same when Cripps “hammy” was only a week?

I’m sure if Pitto had done his PCL Voss would have said so or that it was likely. I’m going with corkie.

 

[thylacine60]

Interestingly, we had the top 5 ball winners on the ground, but then had 10 players with 9 disposals or less. Too much left to too few. Time to reward some of the VFL form I think.

it's what the reserves are for - be better at mc than waiting for 40 possies and 3 goals from players - some blokes just perform better at the higher level.....