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Toast Round 6 = Essendon 82-93 Collingwood

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On one of the grandest stages of the season, Collingwood withstood an almighty challenge from Essendon and produced incredible goalkicking accuracy to bomb the Bombers out by 11 points. The Magpies lost a key number of categories against an opponent who monopolised possession, had more forward entries, and subsequently produced more scoring shots. None of that ultimately mattered, as the Woods produced quality outcomes with less quantity over the course of four quarters. The first three quarters were evenly poised by both sides, before a consistent flow of goals from Collingwood in the final term eventually allowed them enough breathing space to outlast the Dons when it truly mattered in the dying stages of the game.

Collingwood won their statistical categories from sources such as kicks by +12 (207 - 195), intercept possessions had a differential of +5 (59 - 54), +10 for marks (105 - 95), Contested Marks were won by +6 (14 - 8), and uncontested marks had an advantage of +4 (91 - 87). Tackles had a reading of +12 (52 - 40), while Tackles Inside 50 were up by +8 (11 - 3). Essendon won their categories from disposals by +49 (387 - 338), +61 for handballs (192 - 131), contested possessions were up by +9 (123 - 114), while uncontested possessions had a margin of +50 (267 - 217). Clearances were won by +12 (43 - 31), +7 came from centre clearances (18 - 11), stoppage clearances were claimed by +5 (25 - 20), while Marks Inside 50 had a differential of +8 (17 - 9), and Inside 50s were up in Essendon's favour by +4 (52 - 48). Hit-outs (36 each) was the only category that was evenly shared.

Jordan De Goey (27 disposals @ 63%, 402 metres gained, 12 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 15 kicks, 12 handballs, 8 marks, 2 tackles, 3 score involvements, 7 clearances, 5 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 8 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) continued his prolific run of stats which looked good, but did not provide the substance the team needed. It was delightful that he won clearances and took marks around the ground, but his forward entries did not marry up to the score involvement numbers that he would've had otherwise.

Jack Crisp (24 disposals @ 75%, 386 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 12 handballs, 5 marks, 5 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 3 score involvements, 4 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 4 Inside 50s, 3 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) ensured he got greater value for his possessions than he did in his previous game. Crisp was quite prolific from clearances and contributed nicely on transition where linked up by hand and kicked to his team's advantage. Great goal in the second quarter by running back towards goal from defence and finish what he started. Tremendous game, Jack!

Josh Daicos (20 disposals @ 75%, 419 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 9 handballs, 3 marks, 3 tackles, 5 score involvements & 2 Inside 50s) put three solid quarters of footy together, before drifting slightly out of the game in the last quarter, partly because the team won crucial centre clearances in that quarter which went forward, and his position did not need to be utilised as it otherwise would've been on other occasions.

Patrick Lipinski (18 disposals @ 83%, 236 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 7 kicks, 11 handballs, 4 tackles, 1 goal assist, 3 score involvements, 4 clearances, 4 stoppage clearances & 2 Rebound 50s) worked hard for his possessions, but did not make any impact on influencing the game when he had the ball in his hands.

Taylor Adams (18 disposals @ 61%, 305 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 11 kicks, 7 handballs, 5 marks, 3 Marks Inside 50, 4 tackles, 1 goal assist, 7 score involvements, 2 clearances, 4 Inside 50s & 1 goal) contributed in a different manner to what we come to expect of Taylor, where he normally wins that contested ball inside the contest from clearances. To stay busy in scoring chains and score a crucial goal from long range in the last quarter while his greatest strengths were diminished says a lot about his fortitude.

Brodie Grundy (16 disposals @ 81%, 241 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 33 hit-outs, 9 kicks, 7 handballs, 6 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 tackles, 2 goal assists, 6 score involvements, 3 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 2 Inside 50s, 2 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) had an indifferent performance after three quarters. Thankfully for the Magpies, Brodie's best work came in the final 30 minutes where he gave silver service to Collingwood's midfielders, took a couple of clutch marks, laid a great tackle, and reminded everybody he can still kick a long goal which proved to be match-defining. Take last quarter's form into Sunday against the Suns, Brodie!

Scott Pendlebury (25 disposals @ 88%, 364 metres gained, 11 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 14 handballs, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 5 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 2 Inside 50s & 5 Rebound 50s) displayed his trademark poise behind the ball in defence for three quarters, before being dispatched into the midfield in the final term to generate forward entries from clearances, which Pendlebury was able to do successfully.

John Noble (23 disposals @ 83%, 470 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 20 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 7 handballs, 8 marks, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) provided great run and carry from defence where he took marks and hit most of his targets with a high level of accuracy. Noble would know to not attempt a short kick into the corridor if a teammate is not there to mark it. Other than that moment of madness in the third term, Noble applied himself brilliantly.

Nick Daicos (23 disposals @ 70%, 276 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 12 handballs, 6 marks, 2 tackles, 3 score involvements, 3 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 4 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) was given assignments all over the field. He was given stints up forward and in the midfield rotations with reduced success. Nick was put back behind the ball for the last quarter and played with a relatively high level of comfort.

Jeremy Howe (22 disposals @ 91%, 325 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 9 intercept possessions, 14 kicks, 8 handballs, 13 marks, 4 Contested Marks, 4 score involvements & 6 Rebound 50s) was colossal in displaying his intercept marking prowess which was glorious to watch. Howe saved numerous goals from being conceded, while setting a few scoring opportunities at the other end himself. Additionally, Howe's ball use was highly exquisite and gave the team more time to defend while allowing teammates to attack with flair, dare and aggression.

Brayden Maynard (15 disposals @ 80%, 237 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 8 intercept possessions, 5 marks, 6 tackles, 3 score involvements & 3 Rebound 50s) had one of his more modest games in recent memory. Very rare to go through the last quarter without registering a possession, but I'm sure that won't bother him too much. Here's to a more productive game this coming weekend, Brayden! Looking forward to your response.

Isaac Quaynor (13 disposals @ 85%, 288 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 3 handballs, 6 marks, 5 tackles, 1 goal assist, 3 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 1 goal) maximised his impact on the contest with fewer disposals than most of his teammates. Quaynor was able to balance and blend defence with attack exceptionally well. It was also bloody good for Quaynor's goal in the second quarter to be in front of a crowd, after his first goal last season against West Coast at the MCG had no crowd.

Darcy Moore (12 disposals @ 92%, 345 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 7 marks & 6 Rebound 50s) produced a reasonable game of intercept marking and ensured he did not waste any of his disposals coming out of defence.

Will Hoskin-Elliott (18 disposals @ 61%, 298 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 6 handballs, 5 marks, 1 goal assist, 3 score involvements & 3 Inside 50s) did not leave much to the imagination of his game as a high half-forward, where he ran up the ground to win possession and take marks, but nothing else.

Jack Ginnivan (12 disposals @ 58%, 355 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 11 kicks, 5 marks, 3 Marks Inside 50, 5 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 5 goals) produced the greatest accomplishment of his short career so far to not only steer the Pies home with a win, but managed to win the ANZAC Day Medal to highlight how influential that Ginnivan was on the game. Ginnivan's conversion at goal was amazing and kept Collingwood above water when there were stages that the team appeared to be sinking.

Darcy Cameron (8 disposals @ 75%, 7 contested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 3 hit-outs, 5 kicks, 3 handballs, 5 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 1 goal) gave Collingwood a marking target throughout the day up forward, chipped in with some good ruck work late, and ended up snapping an excellent goal from the Olympic Stand pocket.

Brody Mihocek (8 disposals @ 75%, 121 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 3 uncontested possessions, 7 kicks, 3 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 5 score involvements & 4 goals) made the most of his limited opportunities up forward and supported Ginnivan nicely.

Collingwood's next game will be against the Gold Coast Suns on May 1 at the MCG. The Magpies will need to restructure their forward half, after Nathan Kreuger injured his shoulder yet again. Ball use to a relatively small to medium-sized forward line will need to be exceptionally good and smart, while there will be emphasis on not losing contested ball, clearances and Inside 50s this weekend. More time in forward half usually means there are more opportunities to score goals, and that's what Collingwood will embark on doing against the Suns on Sunday.
 

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Loved that Ginni’s goals included a left foot and right foot set shot and also one from outside 50 that cleared the line pretty easy. We’ve got a player on our hands
Classy player, knows how to sneak a goal or 5. Beneficiary of some quick ball movement, but he’s also a quick decision maker and classy user by hand around the ball also.

On the softer side though. Howe should have won the Norm Smith.
 

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If it was all fast ball movement I would agree. But there were quite a few times when there was slow ball movement with players having plenty of time to zone/man up and they left 1-3 Essendon players free in the forward 50. Maybe we did all we could to stop it (I was watching on TV) but it didn't look like it. It was a combination of poor goal kicking for them and good goal kicking for us that was the difference. Individuals in our defence were good at times but overall our defence let them get easy shots on goal from slow plays that were fairly predictable. They had at least 22 shots on goal and at least a quarter of these were from easy marks to loose men in the forward 50 after fairly slow build ups (a couple rushed behinds but also a few that should have made the distance but didn't)

I agree with your observations. Just I place the majority of the blame on the HFs and Mids for our team defence being cut apart by short kicking like it was not the back six.

I also think when your not winning clearances and stoppages etc you are less likely to get good ball into ur fwd 50. Which in turn places greater emphasis on your team defensive zone to work together and force turnovers as Essendon rebound out from their defence.

Our HFs and Mids defensive pressure was not particularly a strength today. I don’t think our pressure was anywhere near as manic as it’s been for the past month.

Essendons short kicking style found holes in our zone between the arcs leading to uncontested marks ins our defensive 50. Luckily alot of these ins50s (from memory) were to 35 meters plus out from goal. I can’t recall our back 6 giving up many marks close to the goals. Had we given 17 marks inside 20 meters of the goal I’d be extremely concerned with what our back six was doing.

There were clearly times players didn’t communicate well enough thinking someone else was responsible for a hole in the zone.

I recall JDG turning around and giving Quaynor a spray for an east Essendon mark. However, on replay, a number of players could have been responsible for filling the hole. I would have thought it easier for a mid to drop back into this space. However, not knowing the exact defensive zone strategy we have - it’s hard to blame one person, rather than acknowledge the 4-6 players in that specific area need to work on communicating better.

Today, we had two “defensive” deficiencies:

1. Essendon exploited our team defensive zone with short kicks. Our team defence lacked good communication and players didn’t work hard enough to get back into holes.

2. Our back six was also under the pump in one on one contests from Essendons dominance in the midfield at centre bounce and stoppages.

We found the answer to no.2 in switching pendlebury to the centre in the 4th and winning clearances.

The answer to no.1 - our team defensive zone - well that appears to be a work in progress and require better communication between our HF line, midfielders and defenders to be able to organise and stop short kicking tearing it apart. We struggled in our zone defence against the Cats, West Coast, Lions and now Essendon. So it is an area of concern - but not one that can be blamed solely on the back 6 defenders.
 
A win is a win, and particularly on the biggest stage. But I’m not getting ahead of myself in anyway. Essendon are shockingly pathetic as an opposition. Our goal kicking was the difference tonight. Even Adams converted outside 50
It’s a pleasant change not to be on the losing end of accurate goal kicking after the Geelong and WC games.
 
I agree that Moore is below his best.

I can’t agree that Madgen is copping it for being Madgen. He cops it because he constantly makes errors that lead to goals being conceded. He did one great thing today which was take a mark in defence, then made the correct decision quickly and moved the ball forward, which led to a goal. But he also constantly gave his opponents way too much space when he doesn’t have the foot speed to close the space like Moore and Howe do, and that led to at least 3-4 goals being conceded. That’s not a criticism because he’s Madgen. It’s a criticism of a player who doesn’t seem to know how to play to his limitations and makes the same mistakes over and over.

3-4 scoring shots perhaps. Only 2 goals. And Madgen was involved in 3 goals in the 2nd half and what should have been adams goal in the 1st qtr.

Your assessment of Madgen is clearly biased. All our defenders cost us goals. Maynard, howe, Moore all conceded goals to Stringer, Wright and Waterman. Just when they do it - well they aren’t your whipping boy so they don’t cop it for being out of position on the turnover etc.

Here’s the key goals or scores involving Madgen and all our key defenders.

1st qtr

A) Lost a stoppage on our half fwd. lack of midfield pressure. Dons stream thru the middle and kick to favoured side of waterman who marks and goal. Not a hell of a lot Madgen could do. Perhaps could have spoiled. But one out, that’s always going to favour the fwd.

B) Sidebottom woeful turnover on half back, repeat fwd 50 and Stringer sneaks away with pace and marks. Moore pointing at Madgen to pick him up. Kicks a point. This is probably the worst Madgen got caught out on a turnover

2nd qtr

A) JDG shoved a mid as he kicked. Madgen opponent gets down field free. Point.

B) Wright marks off from a throw called on adams. Nothing Madgen could really do giving up way to much height to Wright. Even Matthews said he didn’t know why Moore wasn’t on the taller opponent. So I’m pretty sure Magden was just guarding space as I’m sure Lepitch instructs him to do. Point.

C) Waterman gets mark on lead from centre bounce. Goal. Nothing most defenders could do in this situation. Not the last time waterman burns a pies defender on the lead.

D) Stringer burns Magden and Moore off on the lead to the boundary. Point. Too much pace. Moore and Madgen need to communicate better when to switch on stringer.

3rd qtr

A) Madge out marks in def 50. Quick kick up the middle. Ends up in goal for Mihochek. Brave play to go up the guts and take the game on.

B) Stringer burns off maynard and contested marks and goals. Not much maynard could do as Stringer got the step on him. But yeah maybe better awareness and stick with him. But this is what stringer does. He’s a sneaky ****.

C) Moore gets out marked after a kick from a stoppage by waterman who goals. Again not much he could do. Ball was kicked to his advantage much like Magden in the 1st qtr.

4th qtr

A) Madgen is the switch player kicks well to MCreery drops the mark turns and hits Ginnovan for his 5th.

B) Moore gives free kick to Wright in the back who goals. Clumsy

C) Moore gets beaten by Stringer who goals. This was really Daicos’ poor kick out of defence (and or our players not locking the ball up on centre wing) which was turned over and caught Quaynor and Moore off guard and out of position.

D) Howe gets beaten out of the goal square by Waterman who marks from the stoppage on the lead and goals.

E) Madgen is link kick to Daicos who kicks to Grundy 50m and goals

So off Magden you could say Essendon went 2.3. Even that’s harsh considering the reasons the ball got down to him in the first place (poor midfield pressure, unforced turnovers at HB and a down field free kick).

The only really obvious mistake was trusting Sidebottom to not turn it over and not manning up on stringer in the 1st qtr. Even if he did man up stringer burns him on the lead 9 out of ten - as stringer does most defenders and did to Maynard in the 3rd.

In attack, Madgen went 3.1 with key involvement in Mcinnis point, Mihocheks, Ginnovans and Grundy goals.

The key take away I have is that all our defensive players need to communicate better with each other and clarify when a switch of opponent is on. Magden wasn’t the only one caught napping on a turnover. All our key defenders were at some point.

It’s clearly ridiculous to denigrate Madgen by shooting from the hip with gross exaggerations like he cost us “3-4 goals” when he clearly did no such thing.
 
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Longevity isn’t a skill, I agree. But it’s a discussion about “greatest”, not “best”. And in sporting debates, greatness is about more than skill. It’s like how you could make a case for ‘86-‘88 Tyson best the “best” heavyweight of all time. But in terms of greatness, he doesn’t stack up against the likes of Ali or Louis for a number of reasons, sustained consistency being one.

Rose and Collier don’t come close in terms of duration of sustained consistency purely because of Pendlebury’s longevity. So in such conversations, it is absolutely a factor.

But as you said, we’ll need to agree to disagree. The fact that we’re going back 100 years to make a comparison says something about the greatness of our current captain, regardless of where he ranks.
Never had any doubt of Pendles greatness one of the very best to have played with us.
 
Great result but I thought overall it was one of our poorer performances for the year.

The game plan is still a work in progress as both in attack and defence we were caught out. The players are still not in sync and that is to be expected given how new and significant the change to the game plan was in the off season.

But when we do click we did look good in patches.

Positives -

Ginners - some pressure shots for goal and he nailed them.

Grundy - Thought he got in more dangerous positions around the ground. Good to see him dropping back into defence - more of that. Clunking a few marks and tackling.

Pendles - reminded me of Hawthorn when they needed to win a game and they put Burgoyne in the middle


Negatives -

Reef - Glad he had one moment in last quarter as overall was disappointing this week.

Our connection with the forward line was poor this week. Not sure if Kreuger going off was the cause but way too often we kicked it to where our forwards were not.

We still do not create enough stoppages in our forward 50. Ball too often was run out way too easily.

Clearance work in first three quarters was poor overall.

We still don’t get bang for buck for our periods of dominance. I thought in the first term we were much the better team but did not have much to show for it.

Overall - Glad we won as imo we deserved to win.
 
A win is a win, and particularly on the biggest stage. But I’m not getting ahead of myself in anyway. Essendon are shockingly pathetic as an opposition. Our goal kicking was the difference tonight. Even Adams converted outside 50
agree, Great win on a big stage, take the points, take another ANZAC win but I just don’t think Essendon are that good.
 

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I guess I'm on my own, but I don't think Ginnivan should have been awarded the medal. I listened to the criteria just before it was announced, and he didn't satisfy many of them. I thought he was very good, and his scoring probably decided the match, but he didn't deserve the medal.
The team managed a great win, but urgently needs centre square improvement, and the forwards have a lot of work to do on their leading. It was so frustrating to see Nick Daicos begging someone to lead for him and get no response.
A win with so much not right was great, especially as Essendon were primed for maximum effort.
I remember that. Players were running away from him towards our goal and no-one turned to lead-up to him. Think it ended in a turnover.
 
Just looked and saw 2MP covered the equal most distance on the ground. Granted I wasn't at the ground, I'd never have guessed that.
For real?

Wonder if that's a GPS mistake, like we saw when Checkers apparently covered 20+ kms in a game :p
 
There isn’t a defence in existence that’ll stand up to quick accurate ball movement. They won the clearances, dominated possession and time in possession, had a DE% of 80, and had a heap more I50’s, yet we kept them to 12 goals. Defence did fine.
When the zone gets broken, the scores conceded look really soft, but when they only conceded 22 shots against a dominant midfield, it probably worked quite well overall. .

Were they playing a spare in the midfield?
 
When the zone gets broken, the scores conceded look really soft, but when they only conceded 22 shots against a dominant midfield, it probably worked quite well overall. .

Were they playing a spare in the midfield?
Not sure, but from my seat they always seemed to have at least 2 setup at the back of the stoppage who seemed to be unmarked. They used and benefited from them often.
 

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I think we need to keep playing Henry. Didn't do much in the VFL today, but McCreery, Ginnivan and Henry seem to have something going, and playing the rest of the season can only do him wonders.
I think we play Henry when he looks like he wants to be there. At the moment lacks confidence and dodging contests repeatedly. Cant do that and stay in the team. Ginni is the opposite in the belief of belonging. Henry will be better building confidence in ressies, apparently didnt do much this week. Time still on his side so no rush.
 
Sounds like Nathan Kreuger has re-injured his left shoulder. Were there any other injuries?


Why not do Surgery 1st IF the Chances of him doing it again was High?
Because if they did surgery immediately he loses the season essentially. This way there was a chance he could have been managed through the season with the surgery coming afterwards and him being ready for 23 without missing 22. Didnt work out but not unreasonable
 
We have a few outliers in Scott Pendlebury and Steel Sidebottom who have about 620 games between them. Without these two players the game difference is not that much.

EDIT replace those two with Poulter and Macrae and we have the more inexperienced team.
Do that and we probably lose the match also. We are a pretty experienced 22 in the comp currently. Do the above and we will still be a older team.
 
Must been watching a Totally Different Game then I did
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Do that and we probably lose the match also. We are a pretty experienced 22 in the comp currently. Do the above and we will still be a older team.
I think if we pulled out Pendles we lose yesterday but i don't think losing Sidey would have hurt, and may have actually helped. He's a shell of the player he was.
 
I agree with your observations. Just I place the majority of the blame on the HFs and Mids for our team defence being cut apart by short kicking like it was not the back six.

I also think when your not winning clearances and stoppages etc you are less likely to get good ball into ur fwd 50. Which in turn places greater emphasis on your team defensive zone to work together and force turnovers as Essendon rebound out from their defence.

Our HFs and Mids defensive pressure was not particularly a strength today. I don’t think our pressure was anywhere near as manic as it’s been for the past month.
I got the impression that they were playing extras in the midfield, thus were always able to find a spare in the clear.
 

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