Toast Round 15 = Collingwood 88-77 GWS

barrackers · Jun 26, 2022

The Royal Sampler said:
I too was at the ground, and at the correct end, and it appeared very close to me.

Yeah it was close, but it looked clear to me (only a few metres from the behind post). Plus I don’t think Murphy would have remonstrated so strongly and for as long if Moore didn’t get there.

Edit: replay here, behind the goal footage shows the footy deviate when Moore’s hand is near the ball. Nick Daicos questions it too. Like the Hawthorn one the ump guessed and guessed wrongly.

The Royal Sampler · Jun 26, 2022

I was rapt to be able to have a laugh with my kids on the way home that we’d scored fewer goals, but won. My eldest is more of a soccer fan so I gave him some “try doing that in the premier league, eh!?”

jathanas · Jun 26, 2022

barrackers said:
Live at the ground Moore clearly touched the footy again before the goal line.

This.

WalterBlaknWhte · Jun 26, 2022

lenny20 said:
I'm afraid we're simply making up the numbers and we're no chance of winning the flag when we continue to kick scores like this:

4 goals 17 behinds
6 goals 14 behinds
11 goals 14 behinds
9 goals 22 behinds
13 goals 18 behinds
6 goals 18 behinds
13 goals 17 behinds
9 goals 14 behinds

…no, wait, sorry, my bad - posted scorelines from 2010 by mistake

Yes, 4:17 in round 3 against StKilda

After a Cloke behind, I recall yelling we will never win a flag… (wrong wrong wrong)

PonsfordMagpie · Jun 26, 2022

Impressive performance, which wasn't reflected on the scoreboard. The last time we won a match despite scoring less goals than our opponent was against West Coast away from home back in 2019.

One thing I'm loving under McRae is our ability to be composed and win the close ones, which is something we always lacked under Buckley too often. We've won 4 games by a margin of two goals or less, so those wins are proving valuable in our quest for finals football.

Outstanding performance by Darcy Cameron. One of our most improved players this year with his marking, ability to read the play and his handy work in the ruck and up forward. Very well deserved contract extension.

We turned back time with impressive performances from our experienced players in the form of Sidebottom, Hoskin-Elliott, Maynard, Elliott and Pendlebury.

Amazing to think we've won 5 consecutive games. After last year's poor season culminating in a total of 6 wins, our improvement has been magnificent.

Gold Coast next week is a tough assignment. Going to be a great test for the playing group.

Collingwood 4 eternity · Jun 26, 2022

WalterBlaknWhte said:
We ran very hard all day

Murphy is mad-ar$e brave

Nice composure Pendles

Swooper18 · Jun 26, 2022

In their first game back after the bye, Collingwood overcame goalkicking inaccuracy and a resurgent opponent to vanquish GWS by 11 points. The Magpies had a strong finish to quarter time where they hit back on the scoreboard, after conceding territory, scores and momentum in the opening 15 minutes, which were very sloppy and uninspiring. The second term saw the Woods keep the Giants scoreless while adding scoreboard pressure in drabs as conversion issues began to emerge. The third quarter saw those issues continue as the Pies were unable to build a substantial lead that would've put the contest beyond doubt, while the Giants pegged back the margin to remain in touch at the final change. The final term saw the Giants take complete control of the game, until Collingwood scored two goals to restore momentum that they had lost. That was until the Giants came again with a flurry of goals that put Collingwood under pressure. The Magpies were able to hold firm without kicking any more goals to kill the clock wherever possible and create enough time in forward half to ice the game in unconvincing fashion. Today's victory breaks a losing streak against the Giants which had been in place since 2018. It was also just Collingwood's second victory against GWS since 2016.

Collingwood won their statistical categories from contested possessions by +13 (137 - 124), intercept possessions had a differential of +17 (79 - 62), hit-outs were won by +35 (47 - 12), clearances were up by +9 (37 - 28), with centre clearances claimed by +3 (13 - 10), and +6 for stoppage clearances (24 - 18). Tackles Inside 50 had an advantage of +9 (12 - 3), while Marks Inside 50 were won by +1 (11 - 10), and Inside 50s were up by +12 (62 - 50). GWS won their categories from sources such as disposals by +9 (367 - 358), +5 for kicks (229 - 224), handballs had an advantage of +4 (138 - 134), while uncontested possessions were won by +16 (224 - 208), and tackles were up by +7 (56 - 49). Marks went in favour of the Giants by +3 (100 - 97), with uncontested marks also won by +3 (90 - 87). Contested marks was the only statistical category (10 each) that was in dispute between the two sides.

Steele Sidebottom (26 disposals @ 69%, 471 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 19 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 10 handballs, 5 marks, 4 tackles, 8 score involvements, 3 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 4 Inside 50s, 2 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) had a mixed bag with his possessions, where he was exposed for his turnovers, but ensured he set up as many involvements in scoring chains. Sidebottom was on course for 40 disposals when he had 20 at half time, before time and effort by the Giants was put in to curtail his impact.

Taylor Adams (24 disposals @ 58%, 289 metres gained, 15 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 12 handballs, 5 marks, 4 tackles, 7 score involvements, 6 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 4 Inside 50s) stood up for long enough underneath the packs to win the contested ball and won his fair share of clearances. Adams also contributed to the team's ability to create numerous scoring shots.

Josh Daicos (23 disposals @ 74%, 553 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 20 uncontested possessions, 17 kicks, 6 handballs, 6 marks, 11 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) contributed significantly in the second half in everything, except finishing off his work. Josh had 3 shots at goal in a quarter and couldn't maximise any significant scoreboard damage. To Josh's credit, he did not let those behinds define his game, and kept producing territory, while contributing enormously to the team ball movement and scoring forays.

Will Hoskin-Elliott (23 disposals @ 83%, 426 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 7 handballs, 8 marks, 3 tackles, 1 goal assist, 8 score involvements, 5 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) spent a significant amount of time on the wing with stints up forward, and produced excellent ball use to maintain possession and create chances for his forwards to mark or kick goals.

Scott Pendlebury (19 disposals @ 90%, 223 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 8 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 7 handballs, 5 marks, 10 tackles, 1 goal assist, 10 score involvements, 4 clearances, 4 centre clearances, 4 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) played in the midfield for the whole duration of the contest, where he won centre clearances at crucial times, laid heaps of tackles to neutralise any dominance from the opposition, and ensured he found a target with each possession he won around the ground.

Jack Crisp (19 disposals @ 63%, 382 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 7 handballs, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 4 score involvements, 4 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 5 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) found it harder to win uncontested possessions, but kept chipping away in the clinches to pump the ball forward at all costs.

Darcy Cameron (17 disposals @ 59%, 182 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 23 hit-outs, 12 kicks, 5 handballs, 8 marks, 3 contested marks, 2 tackles, 6 score involvements, 5 clearances, 4 stoppage clearances & 2 goals) continued his impressive form as Collingwood's main ruckman where he gave his midfield first-use as often as possible, took crucial marks up forward and behind the ball, and followed up his own work in the ruck to clear the ball from stoppages.

Nick Daicos (25 disposals @ 80%, 118 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 19 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 16 handballs, 2 marks and 6 score involvements) relied heavily on handpassing the ball out of defence instead of kicking it out of the defensive arc under pressure. When Nick pushed higher up the ground, that was when he chose to kick the ball forward or maintain possession.

Brayden Maynard (22 disposals @ 86%, 526 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 9 intercept possessions, 17 kicks, 5 handballs, 9 marks, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 6 Rebound 50s) was at his resolute best in defence for Collingwood today. Maynard marked everything with confidence and generated significant rebound to protect any exposure that the Giants were likely to cause on the scoreboard. Maynard ensured the Giants did not have a field day.

John Noble (20 disposals @ 90%, 347 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 9 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 7 handballs, 7 marks, 5 score involvements, 2 clearances, 5 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) created plenty of run and carry off the last line of defence once again, and his ball use coming out of there was exceptionally good. Noble is highly proven at maintaining possession under pressure and has the speed to break lines when the team needs fast and continual ball movement from defence.

Darcy Moore (16 disposals @ 75%, 210 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 11 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 7 handballs, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 5 score involvements & 4 Rebound 50s) was able to intercept possessions at will and provide enough stability behind the ball.

Isaac Quaynor (13 disposals @ 46%, 205 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 5 handballs, 7 marks, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 4 Rebound 50s) relied heavily on intercept marking behind the play, as he was not able to zone off and create attacking play, plus his ball use was wayward, when it is normally at a high level of efficiency.

Jeremy Howe (10 disposals @ 70%, 308 metres gained, 9 uncontested possessions, 8 kicks, 2 handballs, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 5 Rebound 50s) prioritised his task of rebounding with penetration and giving the team more time to defend behind the ball.

Patrick Lipinski (21 disposals @ 57%, 321 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 13 kicks, 8 handballs, 5 marks, 3 tackles, 3 Tackles Inside 50, 1 goal assist, 8 score involvements, 6 clearances, 5 stoppage clearances, 6 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) started quarters up forward with stints in the midfield during those quarters. Lipinski looked to maximise his impact from fewer possessions and was largely effective in producing scoring chains and forward entries. Lipinski was also able to win clearances at stoppages.

Jack Ginnivan (18 disposals @ 67%, 253 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 11 kicks, 7 handballs, 5 marks, 9 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 1 goal) accumulated plenty of his possessions up the ground and looked to create further scoring opportunities for himself and the team. Ginnivan has been largely inaccurate of late, so I'd like him to rediscover the damage he created on ANZAC Day in the coming weeks.

Jamie Elliott (14 disposals @ 50%, 252 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 5 uncontested possessions, 9 kicks, 5 handballs, 4 marks, 3 Marks Inside 50, 8 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) got the team going with two critical goals to stabilise momentum for the team, when it looked like getting awry during that opening term.

Brody Mihocek (11 disposals @ 64%, 237 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 7 kicks, 4 handballs, 3 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 1 goal assist, 8 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) provided a marking target at all times for his teammates and impacted the scoreboard with two goals in the first half.

Beau McCreery (10 disposals @ 50%, 104 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 6 kicks, 4 handballs, 7 tackles, 3 Tackles Inside 50, 4 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 2 Inside 50s & 1 goal) achieved his objectives by applying pressure without the ball, laying effective tackles up forward and around the ground, and chiming in with a major at the right time.

Oliver Henry (6 disposals @ 50%, 128 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 3 uncontested possessions, 5 kicks, 3 marks, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) came to the party in the second half to convert both of his goals to ensure his impact on the game did not go unnoticed.

Collingwood's next game will be against Gold Coast on July 2 at Metricon Stadium. This match will be hot and intense. The Suns are playing some excellent footy of late and will be a challenging proposition for the Magpies. The Woods need to fix their goalkicking accuracy promptly to avoid any prospect of defeat. Achieve that outcome, and Collingwood will be victorious.

Aussie pie · Jun 26, 2022

Stop winning you’re ruining our rebuild

. Looks like draft pick in the late teens, very late teens

Mateyman · Jun 26, 2022

Tarkyn_24 said:
Don’t know what game the umpires are watching with their treatment of Ginnivan. If the free’s there, pay it. They ignore far too many hits to the head, usually after the play and eventually they’ll be complicit in him copping a concussion from some flog trying to be a hero nailing him out of play.

It's quite frankly pathetic. Somehow Selwood never received this treatment despite ****ing his head for years. They clearly umpire him differently to everyone else in the league

ottoman · Jun 26, 2022

Had a bit of laugh early in the third qtr when I think it was Ginnie and Chugg competing for the ball and the commentator said something along the lines of "Two young campaigners going for it."

To the average viewer just a normal comment but as a person who posts on BF it gave me a laugh.

gerryg400 · Jun 26, 2022

ottoman said:
Had a bit of laugh early in the third qtr when I think it was Ginnie and Chugg competing for the ball and the commentator said something along the lines of "Two young campaigners going for it."

To the average viewer just a normal comment but as a person who posts on BF it gave me a laugh.

I heard that too. It was Anthony Hudson. You’d have to think he would know what that means.

Mollythedolly · Jun 26, 2022

PonsfordMagpie said:
The umpiring was a disgrace.

They deserved to be booed off the ground.

Moore rushed decision aside I thought they were pretty good. Even that decision by the letter of the law was right.

Mollythedolly · Jun 26, 2022

Markfs said:
Opportunities are drying up a bit for Ginnivan as opposition players are dealing with him better. He did ok, though

Nothing to do with opportunity drying up, everything to do with not making the most of those he gets. Another week with 1 goals, a couple of points, and at least 1 other snap that didn’t register a score.

Markfs · Jun 26, 2022

Mollythedolly said:
Nothing to do with opportunity drying up, everything to do with not making the most of those he gets. Another week with 1 goals, a couple of points, and at least 1 other snap that didn’t register a score.

well you're the expert so we can leave it there

Mollythedolly · Jun 26, 2022

barrackers said:
How? He was trying to prevent an automatic deliberate after a rush kick off the ground from outside the square was tickling towards goal. He got hands on it again before the goal line.

A few minutes later the same ump didn’t pay a very similar one. Only difference was a second pie knocked it over and not the initial soccer kicker.

Disagree. Moore outside the range, kicked the footy toward the goals resulting in a rushed behind. That Murphy was in the vicinity of the next instance means the kick off the ground could just as easily have been meant for him as a rushed behind. Completely different.

Mollythedolly · Jun 26, 2022

Markfs said:
well you're the expert so we can leave it there

On drying up?

WalterBlaknWhte · Jun 26, 2022

ottoman said:
Had a bit of laugh early in the third qtr when I think it was Ginnie and Chugg competing for the ball and the commentator said something along the lines of "Two young campaigners going for it."

To the average viewer just a normal comment but as a person who posts on BF it gave me a laugh.

Laughed the same

You would have enjoyed ScoMo being referred to as a 'great campaigner'

barrackers · Jun 27, 2022

Mollythedolly said:
Disagree. Moore outside the range, kicked the footy toward the goals resulting in a rushed behind. That Murphy was in the vicinity of the next instance means the kick off the ground could just as easily have been meant for him as a rushed behind. Completely different.

Outside 9m is negated by Moore sprinting and getting a hand on the footy before it crossed the line. The ump was behind Moore and to Moore’s left therefore he was in the wrong position to judge if the ball was touched. Given the umps position and lack of consultation (immediate whistle, so no radio comms) he guessed that Moore didn’t touch the footy and got it wrong.

Bianconeri · Jun 27, 2022

eyeroller said:
Ginnivan - 18 disposals, 7 contested possessions, 1 goal, 9 score involvements, 4 clearances

He’s good when he gets involved higher up up the ground.

Mollythedolly · Jun 27, 2022

The Royal Sampler said:
If the kick was the last touch, then I could understand it, although he was clearly under pressure . If it was the touch on the goal-line, then it is obviously laughably, calamitously wrong. They certainly didn’t try to review whether he touched it on the goal-line and as it was going to be a rushed behind either way, I’m not sure it was reviewable.

Yeah, I’m not sure about that. He definitely touched it on the line but given all the variables that was never going to be enough to stop it going through or change the rushed behind outcome. IMHO, by the letter of the law, I think the free was justified. Just not sure it’s in the spirit of the game in those sort of conditions.

barrackers · Jun 27, 2022

Good to see a section of this article focused on the umpiring and then being booed off the ground

Wayward Magpies do enough to hold off Giants

Collingwood have held off GWS to grab a spot inside the top eight clinging to victory despite kicking fewer goals than GWS.

www.theage.com.au

Mollythedolly · Jun 27, 2022

barrackers said:
Outside 9m is negated by Moore sprinting and getting a hand on the footy before it crossed the line. The ump was behind Moore and to Moore’s left therefore he was in the wrong position to judge if the ball was touched. Given the umps position and lack of consultation (immediate whistle, so no radio comms) he guessed that Moore didn’t touch the footy and got it wrong.

Nah, I disagree. If touching the footy on the line was a salient change to what the umpire decided was his intent then he could have confirmed that with the goal umpire. Didn’t, just paid the free. I didn’t think it was in the spirit of the game but can understand why it was paid. I’m sure we’ll get something from the AFL on it. That should be interesting.

Markfs · Jun 27, 2022

Mollythedolly said:
On drying up?

I dont think he'll make it long term...

Mollythedolly · Jun 27, 2022

DinoSoar said:
Is that what was going on there? At the ground it was obvious something was controversial about the shot but we couldn’t tell what the story was & could see Sidey speaking to the ump. What a clown that umpire is.

Ump said they’d been directed to move it on. Be nice if players were advised of that as they all milk the 30s.

barrackers · Jun 27, 2022

Mollythedolly said:
Nah, I disagree. If touching the footy on the line was a salient change to what the umpire decided was his intent then he could have confirmed that with the goal umpire. Didn’t, just paid the free. I didn’t think it was in the spirit of the game but can understand why it was paid.

Yeah, it’s about intent, which is interpreted differently inside or outside 9m. Outside 9m is now automatically deemed deliberate, while inside 9m is situational and an assessment needs to be made.

On replay the ump confirms he paid it for outside 9m.

A moot point because of the umps wrong guess, but touching before the line I see the intent as similar to rushing/touching an opponent’s kick on goal. Moore was trying to prevent an adverse outcome (a deliberate rushed call) rather than deliberately rushing a behind. Therefore it should have been play on and a behind awarded.

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