Bye Bye Nobles

[Rod Stroker]

 

[Passmore]

Less than half. How hard is for you idiots to not believe there are several, very good players, that don’t like Noble. And when I say don’t like, I mean hate.

Who hates him and why exactly?

 

[danj]

Less than half. How hard is for you idiots to not believe there are several, very good players, that don’t like Noble. And when I say don’t like, I mean hate.

How hard is it for idiots like you to understand that players are not a group of individuals they are part of a TEAM (it is in the dictionary, look it up) Coaches take a team approach to try and get the most out of individual players within that team. If individual players can't be part of a team under the coach then they should move on otherwise you will have a team run by individuals ipso facto not a ****ing team!!!

 

[danj]

Go away

I will........tomorrow

 

[ferball]

You're late on Monday's joke.

Unlucky.

So your sauces may have been good a few days ago but their info is worth jack now.

 

[Lomas]

I will........tomorrow

He’ll love you tomorrow, it’s only a day away.

 

[Dan]

So your sauces may have been good a few days ago but their info is worth jack now.

You sit down when you pee.

 

[William Caresser]

If Noble realises time's up but the review still has weeks to run but wants to be sacked ASAP, will he

• fart in meetings when asked a question by Geoff Walsh or anyone but otherwise stay silent
• go for pub crawls around North Melbourne every day from noon
• do cry-baby gestures to the playing group at team meetings, but not speak, flash a brown eye and then walk out
• or what else?

 

[Mav]

How hard is it for idiots like you to understand that players are not a group of individuals they are part of a TEAM (it is in the dictionary, look it up) Coaches take a team approach to try and get the most out of individual players within that team. If individual players can't be part of a team under the coach then they should move on otherwise you will have a team run by individuals ipso facto not a ******* team!!!

What a crock of shit. It’s the coaches job to get the individuals to play as a team. It’s his job to COACH them to be a team. And how’s that going for Noble? How many individuals aren’t playing as a team member?
JHF having a go at Goldy?
CZ and BMcKay shopping themselves around?
TT running around like he doesn’t give a shit?
And then “rumors” of other young guns saying they can’t stand Noble.

What about the trip to the river? Was that cause the coach has been able to get these individuals to play as a team?

We’re not talking about 1 or 2 disenchanted players we’re talking 6 maybe more.

 

[apollo_creed]

I thought Noble was straightforward and consistent, Robbo's article was pretty good, essentially saying there is more than enough blame to go around dating back to before Noble came on board, it also highlights that whatever 'we reckon' Noble is not the problem, in the sense that sacking him now is not going to change anything. I'm of a mind to wait and see what Walsh come out with before we start actioning anything, it will be very informative to hear his recommendations.

Haha it’s a load of shit. In stark contrast to his emotive stuff when it comes to Essendon and their coaching situation. Anyone with half a brain (which excludes Robbo) can see the side has gone backwards this season and it only takes watching a few games to see coaching is a massive reason why.

Not going to bother arguing with the small number of delusional pill swallowers on here because the evidence is overwhelming.

 

[ferball]

You sit down when you pee.

At least i can pee.

I also have a belly button. Which is more than we can say for you.

 

[north_lad]

Haha it’s a load of s**t. In stark contrast to his emotive stuff when it comes to Essendon and their coaching situation. Anyone with half a brain (which excludes Robbo) can see the side has gone backwards this season and it only takes watching a few games to see coaching is a massive reason why.

Not going to bother arguing with the small number of delusional pill swallowers on here because the evidence is overwhelming.

40 posts ITT suggests otherwise but ok

 

[apollo_creed]

What does the past have to do with a statement referring to the future?

I’ve been posting on this board for 19 years. How far back do you want to go?

 

[r_boy]

Fair question. I think the results are alarming even when weighted for gameplan teething issues and rebuilding factors. These are historically bad outcomes and our benchmarking against teams that have been floating around at a similar development stage looks very ugly right now.

So I think there will be definite issues to address out of this review, ie this slump isn't just some inevitable blip on the way to success. Whether these issues point at Noble himself, other factors or a combination - that's the hard part to determine looking from the outside in.

That's a fair enough response. Sure you could be right if you take gameplan teething in isolation.

Personally I think if you're trying to make defensive gameplan advances that are ahead of the curve within the context of all the other confounding factors discussed ad infinitum here (we do have a multitude of issues to fix), then the situation we find ourself in is not so unreasonable (provided the basis of that gameplan strategy is sound and the relevant people are on board with it).

I would just suggest everyone watch the GWS post match press conference:

Full post-match, R13: Kangaroos

Watch North Melbourne's press conference after round 13's match against GWS

www.afl.com.au

- specifically the questions at 7:55 and 10:45

Now ask yourself what is the unifying factor behind:

• why we use the boundary all the time to move the ball, compared to corridor movement last year
• why we 'narrowed the focus' of our gameplan this year (training presser post Brisbane spray fiasco)
• why are Thomas, Stepho and Powell getting dropped
• why Jed Anderson looked delistable last year but great this year
• why is Archer getting a game (not having a go I liked his game) and Dawson being drafted
• why players look disinterested when we move the ball
• why is David Noble so confident about his post, and why he has been in constant communication with the board about the plan going forward

I just think, with respect, this aspect should be considered a great deal more on this site with regards to the performance of the team and football department this year.

 

[archereleven]

Robbo: Assassin lurks as Noble’s future teeters​

Mark Robinson

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David Noble knows the heat is rising — and a man who has been back at North Melbourne for just three days holds the Roos coach’s future in his hands, Mark Robinson writes.

The burning question being asked is: Will David Noble get sacked or not?

It’s crazy and uncompromising how footy works because the answer to that question is largely in the hands of Geoff Walsh, who’s been back at the club for three days.

Walsh is either an adviser to or an assassin for the North Melbourne board and his discoveries about who and what’s not working in the football department will be known within four weeks.

At the same time, Walsh is not reviewing the chief executive Ben Amarfio. That might also be needed, but that isn’t Walsh’s mandate. Not yet, anyway.

No, Walsh’s mandate is footy. That’s performance, preparation, training, fitness, list management, clubroom morale, communication and overall environment.
And the coach.

Noble’s not stupid, he knows the heat is rising, and he knows Walsh will have the power to play Caesar and give a thumbs up or thumbs down to the coach after those four weeks.

Coaching’s hard enough without having a potential assassin hovering in the foreground, so you've got to feel for Noble.

And is the current predicament mostly Noble’s fault?

Can he really not coach? Can he not communicate as he should? Has he lost the players?

Always at footy clubs, success has a lot of fathers and failure only one, so the current failings cannot all be placed at the feet of Noble.
The expectation on Noble was extreme from the start.

Outgoing North Melbourne chairman Ben Buckley said at Noble’s appointment that he expected the Kangas to be contending within two or three years.
That was said in the pre-season of 2021.

Since then, Noble has won five games, drew another and lost 30.

They ain’t contending this year, or next year, or the next year after that.

Buckley threw Noble under the bus with an extravagant expectation.

Wise heads surely have by now told new president Sonja Hood the green shoots will be flourishing in 2025 or 2026.
Hood’s letter to members this week didn’t augur well for Noble. You couldn’t read it any other way.

“By round 15, with no discernible improvement, patience among our supporters and members is, understandably, wearing thin,’’ Hood wrote.
“We always knew this year would be hard, but the extent of our losses is deeply concerning.”

Noble would’ve read that and probably winced.
Clearly the club’s call for patience has run out of patience.

The club expected pain when they slaughtered their list two years back, but are now saying this is more painful than they thought it would be.

Noble might not be a good coach, but who would be a good coach with injuries, a young list, undeveloped forwards, a patched up defence, overpaid players in the VFL and overpaid players and underperforming players in the seniors?

They have players who are either not good enough, fit enough, fast enough or tough enough.

And Noble is the problem?

He would have his flaws like everyone, but remember, there were potential AFL coaches who knocked back applying for the Kangaroos job because they believed the football department was a problem.

Noble might be the scapegoat.

The AFL is concerned because a poor North Melbourne, a poor any team, affects a multitude of areas, like membership, corporate support, crowds, ratings and blow outs. The AFL despises teams being irrelevant.

That’s why they are now telling clubs long rebuilds are out. Do it better and do it smarter because footy is the business of selling hope.

Noble and the Kangaroos need to be cut some slack, and calm leadership within is required. In around about terms, it took Brisbane six years to rebuild before and with Chris Fagan.

It took Carlton seven years to get to this stage under three coaches.

It took Melbourne from 2014, when Paul Roos was appointed, before the Demons won the flag and Essendon has been rebuilding since Kevin Sheedy left.
Noble is 36 games into his career and already there’s blood in the water.

Footy is a hard game to play with an experienced coach and a good list, let alone coaching a team which shredded its list 18 months ago.

North blew up the joint then and you get the feeling the joint is about to blow up again.

Talk of player unrest isn’t ideal, although Noble has stressed that media folk and their opinions should not be listened to.

Prominent managers contacted yesterday — they have about 15 North players on their books — said there was no issue with their players and the coach.

Another senior club official, however, was adamant forwards Cam Zuhaar and Ben McKay

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Ben Mckay

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

were gettable. That’s understandable, playing forward in that team.

It’s hardly fun.

One player manager said North desperately needed a priority pick.

He believed Will Ashcroft would nominate Brisbane, and North could then swoop on the Oakleigh Chargers boys, George Wardlaw and Elijah Tsatas, two good mates.

It’s wishful thinking, but the manager likens that scenario to Rowell and Anderson at the Suns, and it just might enthuse Jason Horne-Francis enough to form a bond and keep him there.

It all depends if the AFL believes they need an extra pick despite the woes of the list being self-inflicted. Crazy again, but it might be former coach Brad Scott who will decide.

In the meantime, Walsh is looking over Noble’s shoulder on behalf of Hood and the board.

Eighteen months ago, North was adamant it would take the pain as it rebuilt, but we now know that’s not true, which leaves Noble certainly not dead, but vulnerable.

Bit of a stretch to call BMac a forward after 1 game lol

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[archereleven]

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Horrific reading

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[Ashley B]

Melbourne and Carlton delisted and traded endless amounts of senior players and both received priority picks. We should receive one too.

 

[Shermanator]

Melbourne and Carlton delisted and traded endless amounts of senior players and both received priority picks. We should we receive one too.

And the AFL should pay half of Clarko‘s wage for 3 years for us..

 

[Samsquanch]

Your sources are wrong.

Tomorrow will be Thursday.

In that case, it is tomrrow.

 

[tazaa]

Can anyone remember if it was the presser after the Brisbane loss that Noble mentioned there would be consequences for that performance ?

There was the belated apology after his post match spray weeks later, but only 3 forced changes for the Sydney game the next week, (Powell and Polec both inj. and Ford HS Protocols), it seems things took a bit of a nosedive after that, any theories ?

I think people like to point to one defining moment which changed the course.

As mentioned, there were multiple warning signs prior to the Brisbane game. That games sticks out because of the subsequent story that came about about the Noble "spray". We barely beat a WAFL side the week before.

I remember being upset that in the West Coast game I couldn't figure out wtf our gameplan was.

For me the concerns have been there since the pre season Melbourne when Heath Younie post match said we are f*****.
And then round 1 was abysmal. Round 2 was like a funeral knowing the pain to come the following week. We have been shit since March basically.
There’s no flash point or turning point. 2022 is just one big turd.

 

[danj]

What a crock of s**t. It’s the coaches job to get the individuals to play as a team. It’s his job to COACH them to be a team. And how’s that going for Noble? How many individuals aren’t playing as a team member?
JHF having a go at Goldy?
CZ and BMcKay shopping themselves around?
TT running around like he doesn’t give a s**t?
And then “rumors” of other young guns saying they can’t stand Noble.

What about the trip to the river? Was that cause the coach has been able to get these individuals to play as a team?

We’re not talking about 1 or 2 disenchanted players we’re talking 6 maybe more.

Serious question, 6 out of how many players are there in the team? That figure probably represents the % you would expect to actively resist restructure in any organisation, most will get onboard with a few on the fence. Ultimately success of a restructure depends to a large extent on senior managers in this case Sonya and Ben and influencers like Ant and Boomer to actively and frequently talk up the change the reasons for it and support it.

 

[nicko74]

If McKay is indeed gettable and decides to go, we are royally ****ed!

 

[Bugsy Malone]

Nobel's time is up and I have been backing him , but I am blaming these weak players we have at the moment and feel sorry for the cockroach. **** the bullshit training, these soft ***** need to have a week long history lesson about the North Melbourne football club ( watch the Rd 1 2002 Port Adelaide game) and understand what it means to play for the jumper.

 

[Themanbun]

That's a fair enough response. Sure you could be right if you take gameplan teething in isolation.

Personally I think if you're trying to make defensive gameplan advances that are ahead of the curve within the context of all the other confounding factors discussed ad infinitum here (we do have a multitude of issues to fix), then the situation we find ourself in is not so unreasonable (provided the basis of that gameplan strategy is sound and the relevant people are on board with it).

I would just suggest everyone watch the GWS post match press conference:

Full post-match, R13: Kangaroos

Watch North Melbourne's press conference after round 13's match against GWS

www.afl.com.au

- specifically the questions at 7:55 and 10:45

Now ask yourself what is the unifying factor behind:

• why we use the boundary all the time to move the ball, compared to corridor movement last year
• why we 'narrowed the focus' of our gameplan this year (training presser post Brisbane spray fiasco)
• why are Thomas, Stepho and Powell getting dropped
• why Jed Anderson looked delistable last year but great this year
• why is Archer getting a game (not having a go I liked his game) and Dawson being drafted
• why players look disinterested when we move the ball
• why is David Noble so confident about his post, and why he has been in constant communication with the board about the plan going forward

I just think, with respect, this aspect should be considered a great deal more on this site with regards to the performance of the team and football department this year.

I would be inclined to agree with you if our nonexistent and frankly pathetic structure forward of the ball were only present since the declared focus on a new defensive system. But both those things have been observable for 18 months now. The chickens of a shite game plan are coming home to roost without Ben Cunnington papering over the cracks.

 

[Themanbun]

What a crock of s**t. It’s the coaches job to get the individuals to play as a team. It’s his job to COACH them to be a team. And how’s that going for Noble? How many individuals aren’t playing as a team member?
JHF having a go at Goldy?
CZ and BMcKay shopping themselves around?
TT running around like he doesn’t give a s**t?
And then “rumors” of other young guns saying they can’t stand Noble.

What about the trip to the river? Was that cause the coach has been able to get these individuals to play as a team?

We’re not talking about 1 or 2 disenchanted players we’re talking 6 maybe more.

My favourite part is how people spent months telling us based on their own presumptions that it was senior players not buying in and clashing with the coach who was 'setting standards'...so it was okay because they were duds. That motif seems to have disappeared now.