Bye Bye Nobles

[Mixed Results]

What if Walsh reports that Nobel isn't the issue?

What if the issue is players getting lowballed in contract talks or player welfare is not up to scratch which effects some individuals games?

What if it's the players and coach versus the rest of the football dept?

All I'm saying is while the results have been shithouse, other factors could be impacting on our performance. Maybe Nobel is right, we are doing 80 to 90 percent right as 10 to 20 per cent wrong is still a major issue.

My concern with our footy department is that a lot of funds are being sucked dry by ex coaches and consultants while the permanent staff are left to carry the extra burden. This could lead to disharmony along with a lack of support to players on a daily basis.

To me, some players are pissed of at the club and not the coach himself. I feel the whole Nobel had to apologise to players was blown out of proportion and used as a deflection by some at the club from the real issues.

Walsh's report will be compelling I hope.

I personally think we'll be looking for a new CEO and Football Manager along with more support staff for Nobel.

We’ve been told that the review will only look at the football department. Ben Amarfio and Brady Rawlings are exempt by design and I highly doubt that Dan McPherson is a target given his recent appointment.

It’s obvious that this is a four week assessment of David Noble and the rest of the coaching staff. The review has started with the problem areas already being identified. While one outcome is that they decide the support surrounding David isn’t adequate, the far more likely outcome is that this is a designated hit on David Noble.

It’s been 30 years since we have sacked a coach and the board has to be delicate in its approach as not to be seen as bloodthirsty.

 

[Mixed Results]

Regardless of anyones narrative, your comments about player managers not sharing information about their clients & club with journos, is completely factually wrong.

At the same time, his argument that managers are a lot more careful in how they share this information is completely and factually correct.

Managers will leak player dissent, but they won’t do so on a whim to give a reporter a quote for their article.

 

[ferball]

We’ve been told that the review will only look at the football department. Ben Amarfio and Brady Rawlings are exempt by design and I highly doubt that Dan McPherson is a target given his recent appointment.

It’s obvious that this is a four week assessment of David Noble and the rest of the coaching staff. The review has started with the problem areas already being identified. While one outcome is that they decide the support surrounding David isn’t adequate, the far more likely outcome is that this is a designated hit on David Noble.

It’s been 30 years since we have sacked a coach and the board has to be delicate in its approach as not to be seen as bloodthirsty.

Bard not a coach? Or just NACAH?

 

[Mixed Results]

Bard not a coach? Or just NACAH?

Brad Scott was officially a resignation who left on his own terms.

 

[Psicosis]

At the same time, his argument that managers are a lot more careful in how they share this information is completely and factually correct.

Managers will leak player dissent, but they won’t do so on a whim to give a reporter a quote for their article.

Yeah, I don't think anyone is suggesting that player managers will do so on a whim to give a reporter a quote for their article. Nor is anyone suggesting that they aren't careful with what information they share to protect their clients.

 

[William Caresser]

Regardless of anyones narrative, your comments about player managers not sharing information about their clients & club with journos, is completely factually wrong.

You've just misrepresented me twice.

I said there are a number of reasons why - it is conceivable why - managers mightn't have told Robbo or whoever that their players had concerns when they actually did. That doesn't mean that some, even most don't reveal info to journos at all - just potentially not on this occasion.

How would you know that all player managers reveal info about their players as fact? Because the accountant type of player managers might be in the minority but they don't give the impression they'd break client confidentiality and especially for those players who don't want their business in the news.

 

[Psicosis]

You've just misrepresented me twice.

I said there are a number of reasons why - it is conceivable why - managers mightn't have told Robbo or whoever that their players had concerns when they actually did. That doesn't mean that some, even most don't reveal info to journos at all - just potentially not on this occasion. But how would you know that all player managers reveal info about their players as fact? Because the accountant type of player managers might be in the minority but they don't give the impression they'd break client confidentiality and especially for those players who don't want their business in the news.

Yeah people believe what they want to believe. Hence the point of my original post.

 

[Mav]

My point is pretty straight forward & easy to comprehend.

If Robbos mail was that there was issue with player and coach, it would have 1000 posts on it already calling for his head. Because it's the opposite, doesn't get a mention.

It's because its a sample size of 1/3 of the list, and its based on a huge assumption that the managers have been 100% truthful. BUT if the managers had gone out on limb and thrown a keg of petrol on the fire by saying their players weren't happy with Noble then it would be a massive story. So yes there would be 100 posts on it.

You really are one naïve fool.

 

[Psicosis]

It's because its a sample size of 1/3 of the list, and its based on a huge assumption that the managers have been 100% truthful. BUT if the managers had gone out on limb and thrown a keg of petrol on the fire by saying their players weren't happy with Noble then it would be a massive story. So yes there would be 100 posts on it.

You really are one naïve fool.

I personally see it as a positive. In a year that hasn’t had much positivity, I take a small level of comfort in a report that the playing group and coach aren’t in utter turmoil from a relationship perspective. We’ve had other journos, particularly Sam Edmund reporting otherwise which many on here have completely bought into. Edmund has also been proven publicly as a liar in regards to North multiple times this year, so take what you will.

Of the conflicting narratives, I know who I’d prefer to believe, but in reality it’s probably a combination of both. I’m not silly enough to think that things are as bad as you make out, or as good as Noble makes out. You just keep pouring that gasoline though.

 

[Mav]

I personally see it as a positive. In a year that hasn’t had much positivity, I take a small level of comfort in a report that the playing group and coach aren’t in utter turmoil from a relationship perspective. We’ve had other journos, particularly Sam Edmund reporting otherwise which many on here have completely bought into. Edmund has also been proven publicly as a liar in regards to North multiple times this year, so take what you will.

Of the conflicting narratives, I know who I’d prefer to believe, but in reality it’s probably a combination of both. I’m not silly enough to think that things are as bad as you make out, or as good as Noble makes out. You just keep pouring that gasoline though.

I just post what I'm told. And I only post if I trust the source 100%. By all means, you can think I'm full of shit but I reckon deep down you know I'm not.

But you're right, in a season of 1 win against a WAFL side I suppose a journo reporting that 1/3 of playing list doesn't have a problem with the coach is a real positive. To Infinity And Beyond!

 

[Val Keating]

Who is this highly paid player Robbo reckons we’re playing in the VFL?

 

[Val Keating]

Regarding the chance of Walsh endorsing Nobel like what happened with Hardwick at Richmond, the difference is that Richmond would occasionally bob up and beat a contender, we haven’t been competitive at all.

 

[DocSholl]

Regarding the chance of Walsh endorsing Nobel like what happened with Hardwick at Richmond, the difference is that Richmond would occasionally bob up and beat a contender, we haven’t been competitive at all.

Hardwick's H&A coaching record by the end of 2016 was 74-2-78 and they'd made the finals in 2013-15. Not sure it's a valid comparison.

 

[Only Forwards]

Who is this highly paid player Robbo reckons we’re playing in the VFL?

Has to be CCJ

 

[Val Keating]

Hardwick's H&A coaching record by the end of 2016 was 74-2-78 and they'd made the finals in 2013-15. Not sure it's a valid comparison.

That’s my point. I was just catching up and there were a few posts suggesting it could go that way. Hardwick was iirc in about his 8~10th year of coaching

 

[DocSholl]

That’s my point. I was just catching up and there were a few posts suggesting it could go that way. Hardwick was iirc in about his 8~10th year of coaching

Ah okay, yeah it's a nonsense comparison tbh. Dimma had showed he could coach but there were concerns about his ability to delegate. Noble hasn't even met that first threshold yet.

 

[Val Keating]

Has to be CCJ

Ahh yeah that’d be it. We didn’t recruit CJ for immediate impact though. They literally said he’ll be Goldie’s replacement.

Wouldn’t be the only back up ruck on decent coin playing 2’s.

 

[Dan]

Super minor thing

Many here are on the play McKay fwd idea yet nobes is getting smashed for doing it

Poor bloke can’t win (not in that sense, save your jokes)

I was first.

 

[archereleven]

If McKay is indeed gettable and decides to go, we are royally ducked!

If he leaves, the rebuild has failed

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[TennisPlayerAndy]

If he leaves, the rebuild has failed

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McKay, LDU, JHF, Comben, Zurhaar, TT, Powell are absolute must keep.

They’re the group with the clearest elite attributes.

 

[roos 10]

McKay, LDU, JHF, Comben, Zurhaar, TT, Powell are absolute must keep.

They’re the group with the clearest elite attributes.

Phillips and larkey also

 

[Tas]

Ahh yeah that’d be it. We didn’t recruit CJ for immediate impact though. They literally said he’ll be Goldie’s replacement.

Wouldn’t be the only back up ruck on decent coin playing 2’s.

He didn't replace Xerri let alone Goldy.

 

[danj]

Brad Scott was officially a resignation who left on his own terms.

Very good terms, a townhouse at Point Cook, a set of units in Brighton and a Penthouse in Docklands not to mention a generaous stipend to keep his head above water for the next 5 years

 

[DunderHead]

Why would they disclose that though? If there are issues with the coach it will come out during the review. Wouldn't put much stock in a journo contacting player managers either way.

To signal that players are available and want to get out of dodge. If he said there are plenty of unhappy players - other clubs would come sniffing and that means dollar signs for Player Managers.

 

[danj]

It might not suit your narrative but player managers don't just reveal all, or anything, just because Robbo asks. Most are smart enough to be selective. And you don't need any special insight to know that the AFL media get it wrong regularly because they don't actually have a genuine source.

By that logic we can't believe any media content quoted from player managers so they may as well not bother talking to reporters at all, in which case who do you think is worth interviewing from a footy journalist perspective?