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[AFC979810]

Would that be like looking at a player who had a lot of wins but weren’t a superstar?
Or would it be more like a player that gets it done in the home and away and then fails on the big stage?

Also would McLeod go up another rung had he won a brownlow would Aker go down?
Small moments in history make big difference imo.

No doubt, and sometimes its unfair.

Is Cotchin a better player because Jobe was stripped of his Brownlow?

Is Grant Grant less of a player because of the bullshit that got his Brownlow taken?

 

[Scorpus]

Murphy wouldn't get a game at North.

Yes he would, Noble would definitely pick that type of player

 

[FR0GGY]

No doubt, and sometimes its unfair.

Is Cotchin a better player because Jobe was stripped of his Brownlow?

Is Grant Grant less of a player because of the bullshit that got his Brownlow taken?

Already a better player imo.

 

[FR0GGY]

Agree re good vs great

Slippery Pete post said great and you reponded with good, you might be talking about different things.
So i absolutely agree with him that there are no great coaches that haven't won a flag.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Yes he would, Noble would definitely pick that type of player

Given the lack of buy in he's getting, he'd probably love a player like Murphy. He'd probably select most of our other scrappers too.

 

[jackster83]

Yes he would, Noble would definitely pick that type of player

Kayne Turner is their equivalent. He's even in their leadership group.

 

[Slippery Pete]

So one game makes all the difference to whether a coach is any good or not

Doesn’t make any sense

Are you new to sports or just life in general?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Are you new to sports or just life in general?

I never said he’s a great coach to begin with so not sure who you were talking to

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Slippery Pete post said great and you reponded with good, you might be talking about different things.
So i absolutely agree with him that there are no great coaches that haven't won a flag.

I never once said he was great so slippery Pete must have been speaking to someone else

 

[FR0GGY]

I never once said he was great so slippery Pete must have been speaking to someone else

Yep fair point.
So by stands up you mean good?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Yep fair point.
So by stand up you mean good?

Yep
Was revered as an assistant then had a good stint as coach , ‘not great ‘

 

[FR0GGY]

Yep
Was revered as an assistant then had a good stint as coach , ‘not great ‘

I think his record is ok, but when you combine it with the talent he had available I reckon it’s down graded to average.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I think his record is ok, but when you combine it with the talent he had available I reckon it’s down graded to average.

Can understand that as an opinion

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

A player is one of 22, a coach is one of 1

Players only get some of the glory for playing in a winning flag (or only some of the blame for not playing in a winning flag)

Coaches get all the glory for a flag win (or all the blame for not winning one)

 

[FR0GGY]

A player is one of 22, a coach is one of 1

Players only get some of the glory for playing in a winning flag (or only some of the blame for not playing in a winning flag)

Coaches get all the glory for a flag win (or all the blame for not winning one)

Like a goal keeper?

 

[AFC979810]

A player is one of 22, a coach is one of 1

Players only get some of the glory for playing in a winning flag (or only some of the blame for not playing in a winning flag)

Coaches get all the glory for a flag win (or all the blame for not winning one)

You seen the coaches box these days? We have a head coach, Forwards coach, Defensive coach, Ruck coach, Forwards Coach and 3 development coaches.

I am definitely in the minority here, but I have always found the discussion around coaching greatness fascinating. Have had many a discussion over who is the better NBA coach - Phil Jackson or Gregg Popovich.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

You seen the coaches box these days? We have a head coach, Forwards coach, Defensive coach, Ruck coach, Forwards Coach and 3 development coaches.

Who do they work under? Who directs and coordinates them?

Someone organises the coffees too

 

[DJ75]

You seen the coaches box these days? We have a head coach, Forwards coach, Defensive coach, Ruck coach, Forwards Coach and 3 development coaches.

I am definitely in the minority here, but I have always found the discussion around coaching greatness fascinating. Have had many a discussion over who is the better NBA coach - Phil Jackson or Gregg Popovich.

I would like to be part of this discussion

 

[Soggy2112]

I don’t feel it is.

Gary Ablett Snr
Tony Lockett
Jim Stynes
Tony Modra
Robert Harvey
Nick Riewoldt
Matthew Pavlich

 

[FR0GGY]

Gary Ablett Snr
Tony Lockett
Jim Stynes
Tony Modra
Robert Harvey
Nick Riewoldt
Matthew Pavlich

Greats!

 

[AFC979810]

Gary Ablett Snr
Tony Lockett
Jim Stynes
Tony Modra
Robert Harvey
Nick Riewoldt
Matthew Pavlich

Add Buckley to your list of good players. Here is my list of GREAT PLAYERS:

Dustin Martin
Andrew McLeod
Michael Voss
Wayne Carey
Leigh Mathews
Gary Ablet JNR
James Hird
Luke Hodge
Mark Riccuito

IF you don't have two flags - you just aint great.

 

[Soggy2112]

Greats!

Ah wait I got confused, I thought you were arguing that players had to win flags to be considered great.

 

[Soggy2112]

Add Buckley to your list of good players. Here is my list of GREAT PLAYERS:

Dustin Martin
Andrew McLeod
Michael Voss
Wayne Carey
Leigh Mathews
Gary Ablet JNR
James Hird
Luke Hodge
Mark Riccuito

IF you don't have two flags - you just aint great.

Roo only won one

 

[AFC979810]

Roo only won one

Scrap him from the list!

 

[Soggy2112]

Scrap him from the list!

So a Brownlow medallist, 3x B&F winner, 8x All-Australian and 300 gamer isn’t a great because he was injured for a GF? That’s very flawed logic.