Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[dergert]

Surely Darcy Gardiner as a free agent (I get Brisbane could potentially match) is a better shout than Tomlinson or Madgen.

Yeah, seems like the cupboard is bare.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

Surely Darcy Gardiner as a free agent (I get Brisbane could potentially match) is a better shout than Tomlinson or Madgen.

Someone reported Gardiner doesn’t want to move.

 

[glenashley]

Just and observation, not a crack at you specifically …

I love how in our heads at the same time time we can both (1) rue the years we didn’t draft gun VFL players in our own back-yard and; (2) hate the clubs current strategy of picking up a Footscray VFL gun every year.

Sure some of those we missed became good AFL players and players we did pick amounted to nothing, but over a sustained period the counterfactual would have most likely been drafting a bunch of VFL guns who couldn’t take the next step (as well as those who did) and burning some of the rookie list spots used on Boyd, Harbrow, JJ, etc.

I suppose I'd prefer to take a shot at a VFL kpp or ruck since they tend to come good at a later age.

Can't really think off the top of my head too many VFL mids who came good and took the step at 25 but I'm sure there's some?

 

[adogsfan5]

SEN have reported that we are keen on Jack Madgen

Haha Jesus.. that’s a million times worse than Tomlinson.

Wow we’re scraping the barrel if true.

 

[Martyn_30_]

In 2021, the grand final was the only time the side conceded 100 points all season. The defensive setups are 90% of the issue. Jones can help given the level he’s played at previously, but looking at players deemed not good enough to hold down a spot in another backline would be a very strange strategy. I don’t think you’d see much difference at Melbourne if you swapped out Petty for Gardiner.


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[Ash1337]

I would rather Walker than Madgen or Tomlinson.

 

[ScragCity]

SEN have reported that we are keen on Jack Madgen

Madgen
Age: 29
Height: 192

Tomlinson
Age: 29
Height: 192

Tim O'Brien
Age: 28
Height: 192

Hmm...

 

[Testekill]

Jeez. Magden & Tomlinson do not fill me with hope at all unless SEN is just throwing the names of average defenders about. People pushing 30 that are merely average defenders to begin with, at least pick a younger player that might still have some growth. Hell, go into the VFL and there are some decent options that could make it. I will bang on the Ethan Phillips drum yet again and also Nick Coughlan from Werribee.

 

[Golden_6]

Tomlinson is not as bad as people are making him out but Madgen is a shocker.

 

[scooter600x]

Serious question
Who tf is Jack Madgan?

Edit: didn’t even get his name right

 

[bresker]

Someone reported Gardiner doesn’t want to move.

He’s ready to sign at the Bulldogs but only if he gets a solid guarantee his name is spelled correctly 85%+ of the time. He’s all over those metrics.

 

[Hobdog]

Serious question
Who tf is Jack Madgan?

Edit: didn’t even get his name right

Yep, never heard of him


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[iambrilliant]

Why don’t we just play Buku instead of picking up spuds

 

[Mofra]

I recall seeing him play for Williamstown a few times. He did nothing to indicate that he was anything more than a solid player at VFL level.

He was impossible to tackle, just so strong but by god his kicking was bad.

 

[LittleG]

Why don’t we just play Buku instead of picking up spuds

Why don’t we draft someone better? There are options this year for third tall that can play round 1 and will be available late first round.

 

[doggiesin08]

Why don’t we draft someone better? There are options this year for third tall that can play round 1 and will be available late first round.

Agree. But if for whatever reason we didn’t land one of those I’d rather back in Buku (190cm) or even Bedendo (191cm) for a 3rd tall / interceptor rather than add Jack Madgen. I can only see the merits if they think the Tomlinson / Madgen types can play as 1st or 2nd talls.

 

[cherrypie]

Don’t panic everyone. Our list will be in much better shape next year. Dunkley might be top 3 in our BnF but Tomlinson and Madgen are class gets

 

[geoffjennings79]

Tomlinson and Madgen. Who says we're not a destination club?

 

[dergert]

Is Madgen really that bad?

 

[BrisDog]

Is Madgen really that bad?

He makes McComb look like a combination of Ted Whitten and Michael Jordan

 

[bresker]

Agree. But if for whatever reason we didn’t land one of those I’d rather back in Buku (190cm) or even Bedendo (191cm) for a 3rd tall / interceptor rather than add Jack Madgen. I can only see the merits if they think the Tomlinson / Madgen types can play as 1st or 2nd talls.

The uncomfortable question needs to be asked - is the premiership window still open? Will these recruits keep it open?

Our defence needs a big name rock solid general, not a couple of cleanskin 3rd talls. I think & hope our midfield and attack could still win us a premiership, but the backs are looking shoddy. We need a change in gamestyle and some genuine talent.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Serious question
Who tf is Jack Madgan?

Edit: didn’t even get his name right

This is Him with his dad... Harold

 

[doggies ftw]

Bevo absolutely loading up to keep this party rolling rather than taking the refresh at the draft we need - this years gonna be one for the ages boys

 

[Doggies7]

Boy we seem to be collecting spuds like Thanos collects infinity stones. Hopefully we are just doing our due diligence on players or being linked incorrectly by the media, but some of these names aren't filling me with a ton of hope...

 

[MrChristo]

Hunter is either getting on the turps, or hitting the gym really hard.

Will be cool to see how this one plays out!

Could be more hitting the Jim's...

In 2021, the grand final was the only time the side conceded 100 points all season. The defensive setups are 90% of the issue. Jones can help given the level he’s played at previously, but looking at players deemed not good enough to hold down a spot in another backline would be a very strange strategy. I don’t think you’d see much difference at Melbourne if you swapped out Petty for Gardiner.


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Agree completely. 100%.

I've been a bit too lazy to post some stats, but for most of 2021 we were in (almost!) in 2016 territory when it came to defence and giving up scores.
We just didn't give up big leads.

The Brisbane prelim got closer than I expected, but in my mind we were never going to lose after Q1.

Obviously about 80 minutes of a GF were as good as 'expected' too.

This year we fell apart completely. Noticeably.

Injuries?
Duryea?
Higher press? (Although teams regularly got easy goals one through).

Would love to see some 'expected goal' numbers to see if anything changed...
...but something definitely felt off this year.