Traded Mega deal - 4 clubs, 2 players, 14 picks (inc #1, #2, #3, #8, #12 and 5 future picks)

[XhazzafootyX]

Did north get stooged

 

[Free Agent]

There’s More chance of west coast selecting me with pick 2 than them getting 8 12 15 and a future first out of this, which is humorous given the sorry state of there list

Why would we care about what Port wants. We keep pick 2 then. Again we have the cards so cough up or Port won't be obtaining anyone and your rabble will likewise stay in the sorry state it's in now.

Let me remind you. Your clubs has nothing to give

 

[WilloTree]

West Coast should untangle itself from this. I'm sure they already know but Pick 2 is worth considerably more than what's being thrown around.

Last time Eagles had a Pick 2 they picked Nic Nat. Had they traded it down to pick 8 and 12, the blokes that were drafted there that year were Ty Vickery and Lewis Johnson. They should keep it, take it to the draft and grab a bloody good midfielder to rebuild their engine room.

Also, if GWS want Pick 1, they have more than enough assets to get it dealing directly with North.

Is this all just a way of getting JHF to Port without them trading a player?

 

[Malibu#27]

Why would we care about what Port wants. We keep pick 2 then. Again we have the cards so cough up or Port won't be obtaining anyone and your rabble will likewise stay in the sorry state it's in now.

Let me remind you. Your clubs has nothing to give

I never mentioned port once. I just highlighted how ridiculous your proposal was.

 

[Del191229]

Why would we care about what Port wants. We keep pick 2 then. Again we have the cards so cough up or Port won't be obtaining anyone and your rabble will likewise stay in the sorry state it's in now.

Let me remind you. Your clubs has nothing to give

Exactly.

I'd much prefer North deal 1 to GWS separately. Get say 3,12 and 18 (with maybe a little bit going back their way). Trade 12 to St Kilda for Clark.

Then say rightio, we've got two picks in the top 20 and have improved our draft hand. We've brought in good quality established talent in Logue, Tucker and Clark.

Shop is shut.

If Port want us to lift the shutters again, they better be bringing a high quality player who is immediate best 22 Round 1 next year.

No reason why West Coast should be involved.

 

[sexyhunk]

Exactly.

I'd much prefer North deal 1 to GWS separately. Get say 3,12 and 18 (with maybe a little bit going back their way). Trade 12 to St Kilda for Clark.

Then say rightio, we've got two picks in the top 20 and have improved our draft hand. We've brought in good quality established talent in Logue, Tucker and Clark.

Shop is shut.

If Port want us to lift the shutters again, they better be bringing a high quality player who is immediate best 22 Round 1 next year.

No reason why West Coast should be involved.

what clark? pick 12?

 

[TheBigHorne]

Port are gonna attempt to manufacture an 18 team trade before they realise they need to give up more than they are currently offering for Junior, JHF and Ratugolea.

 

[Del191229]

what clark? pick 12?

I'd prefer 18 aye, but you have to pay to prise out quality contracted young players, something that appears lost on Port.

Apparently Clarkson sees him as a ten year player, loves his skills and hardness.

Would you pay pick 12 for a guy who plays 200 games for you, hopefully lost of them finals?

Every day of the week.

Probably get something back, like the pick we can use to draft Cooper Harvey f/s.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

what clark? pick 12?

Hunter Clark (St Kilda)

 

[Free Agent]

I never mentioned port once. I just highlighted how ridiculous your proposal was.

The future first rnd pick for Rioli might of been but what was mention for pick 2 wasn't at all in the slightest. That's exactly where it's at. Pick 8,12 and 15 for pick 2

Rioli is a separate matter

 

[Malibu#27]

The future first rnd pick for Rioli might of been but what was mention for pick 2 wasn't at all in the slightest. That's exactly where it's at. Pick 8,12 and 15 for pick 2

Rioli is a separate matter

Cool. So we agree you were being silly.

 

[Cobbler]

Agree with a few comments about Port.

I used the analogy of them owning a slice of pizza. North said it wasn’t enough.

They cut the same slice and offered it to WCE and North. They said it wasn’t enough.

Feel like they’re just trying to cut it into as many pieces as possible until all agree it’s enough.

They need to bring more slices and they don’t have them.

 

[FourthTimeAround]

Just for fun, if Tom is right, how do you think it is structured.

GWS
In: Pick 1
Out: Pick 3, Pick 12

North
In: Pick 2, Pick 3, Future 1st (PA)
Out: Pick 1, Horne-Francis, Future 2nd

Port
In: Horne-Francis, Ratugolea, Rioli, Future 2nd (NM)
Out: Pick 8, Pick 33, Pick 43,Future 1st

WCE
In: Pick 8, Pick 12, Pick 43, Future 2nd (Bris)
Out: Pick 2, Pick 40, Rioli

Brisbane
In: Pick 40
Out: Future 2nd

Geelong
In: Pick 33
Out: Ratugolea

I’m assuming Brisbane is only involved in that they need more current year picks for father/son selections and possible Dunkley trade

North screwed in that deal. So no.

 

[FourthTimeAround]

Agree with a few comments about Port.

I used the analogy of them owning a slice of pizza. North said it wasn’t enough.

They cut the same slice and offered it to WCE and North. They said it wasn’t enough.

Feel like they’re just trying to cut it into as many pieces as possible until all agree it’s enough.

They need to bring more slices and they don’t have them.

Yeah I tend to agree, but there’s a degree of owners over-value involved with other teams too.

Rioli for a 1st or early 2nd?
Ratagolea for a 2nd?
Horne Francis worth more than last year, or virtually any previous trade in AFL history?

 

[Cobbler]

Yeah I tend to agree, but there’s a degree of owners over-value involved with other teams too.

Rioli for a 1st or early 2nd?
Ratagolea for a 2nd?
Horne Francis worth more than last year, or virtually any previous trade in AFL history?

Port will need to rely on other clubs to ‘over pay’ to allow them to complete their portion… is more what it’s about.

GWS is the perfect team to do that.

But if I was North I’d look to enter a 3 team trade with WCE and GWS and I’m sure they could easily work out a way.

Literally no reason to bring in Port to satisfy their needs.

Port bringing everyone to satisfy themselves.

 

[shintemaster]

Seems everyone is trying to scramble to help Port.

WC do not need to help Port.
North do not need to help Port.

WC, North and GWS can all play with higher pick trades without Port and without the current time pressure.

Not exactly.

Seems that the media are being fed stories that imply a need for all to scramble to help Port. Neither West Coast nor North Melbourne owe Port squat, nor are they in any position where they have to facilitate anything.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

It all comes down to what players the clubs think will be available at the picks they will be getting. This notion that oh previously a club has offered this amount for this pick so therefor that’s its worth is wrong. The trades worth is what players that club is looking to get with those picks.

From WC perspective, they can currently get 1 crack at a future star with pick 2. Otherwise splitting that they get a shot at 2 potential home grown hugely rated talents in Busslinger and Hewett which they can build around. Getting 2 highly rated players may be more appealing to WC then just the one and they may be happy to make that move without arguing over how many draft points they may be down or what pick 2 has previously been traded for as otherwise, they likely miss out on one of those draftees.

Same for North, they have more holes than a block of cheese in their list. Loosing pick 1 and JHF but gaining what could be 4 top 10 draft picks over 2 years (ignoring their natural one next year) again could set their list up for the future if they nail them and walk out with the likes of Sheezel, Wardell, Tsitsas and a future first. Otherwise the alternative is yes pick 1 and get a great player while holding onto a disgruntled one who is just as likely to leave next year.

From GWS perspective, they simply have far too many picks this year and that’s without the hopper deal yet as well. They are likely happy to throw a bunch of those picks towards pick 1 to get a particular player while still holding a number of other first rounders to complement pick 1.

Port come into it because pick 8 is and excellent splitting point that would assist in the above scenarios. Those saying oh we could just make those trades without port are then selling short the need for pick 8 and our future pick to be included to provide that middle ground for WC and North.

All in all, I think clubs will be looking at particular players they can get with their picks and whether 2/3 first round picks out ways the “value” assigned to holding pick 1 and 2.

If both Nth and WC are chasing maximum value out of those picks then it will not move ahead. However in saying that, they may also be loosing out from their own clubs perspective by entering the draft with only the 1 high pick rather than multiple.

Who would they prefer, WC could have Busslinger and Hewitt or Wardell.

North could have Wardell, Sheezel, Tsitsas and a future pick or Cadman and JHF.

 

[DanA]

My best guess

Cats:

• In - Ports F2 + 20
• Out - Rata, 25, Gee F2

Bris:

• In - 33
• Out - 38 + 48

WC:

• In - 8, 12, 15, Bonner
• Out - 2, 20, Rioli

GWS:

• In - 1, Cats F2, Freo F3
• Out - 3, 12, 15, 18, Haynes

Port:

• In - JHF, Rioli, Rata, Haynes +38 + 48
• Out - 8, 33, F1, F2, Bonner

North:

• In - 2, 3, 18, 20, Port F1
• Out - JHF, 1, Freo F3

 

[master bate]

My best guess

Cats:

• In - Ports F2 + 20
• Out - Rata, 25, Gee F2

Bris:

• In - 33
• Out - 38 + 48

WC:

• In - 8, 12, 15, Bonner
• Out - 2, 20, Rioli

GWS:

• In - 1, Cats F2, Freo F3
• Out - 3, 12, 15, 18, Haynes

Port:

• In - JHF, Rioli, Rata, Haynes +38 + 48
• Out - 8, 33, F1, F2, Bonner

North:

• In - 2, 3, 18, 20, Port F1
• Out - JHF, 1, Freo F3

Didn’t Geelong’s future 2nd go to Brisbane already?

And why are GWS dumping their entire first round draft haul?

The OP with a few more shuffles is much more realistic

 

[SnowRoo]

Didn’t Geelong’s future 2nd go to Brisbane already?

And why are GWS dumping their entire first round draft haul?

The OP with a few more shuffles is much more realistic

Yeah Cats F2 already gone.

GWS isn't too bad
1 for 3, 12, 18
15 for a salary dump, future 2nd, future 3rd

 

[Suma Magic]

Port recruitment meeting:

Recruiter A: “We just can’t do it. We don’t have the picks to bring in JHF and Rioli.”

Recruiter B: “We will have to consider trading someone with value.”

Recruiter C: “Bonner?”

Recruiter B: “No. Someone of value.”

Recruiter C: “Sorry.”

Recruiter D: “I’ve got an idea, it’s a bit outside the box.”

Recruiter A: “Go on…”

Recruiter D: “Instead of trading someone extra out, how about we bring someone extra in, like Ratogolea?”

Recruiter A: “That’s it! You’ve done it!”

Recruiter B: “But wouldn’t that just make things worse…”

Recruiter A: “I SAID, HE’S DONE IT!”

 

[FourthTimeAround]

Port will need to rely on other clubs to ‘over pay’ to allow them to complete their portion… is more what it’s about.

GWS is the perfect team to do that.

But if I was North I’d look to enter a 3 team trade with WCE and GWS and I’m sure they could easily work out a way.

Literally no reason to bring in Port to satisfy their needs.

Port bringing everyone to satisfy themselves.

Rioli and Ratagolea have little to do with JHF.

And JHF is a wantaway, which makes this trade and it’s value far more about emotions than clubs needs.
Good luck keeping anyone happy in this one.

 

[archiemoses]

If you went out to dinner with Port and it came time to pay the bill, they'd excuse themselves to use the bathroom and then leave.

 

[master bate]

Seems everyone is trying to scramble to help Port.

WC do not need to help Port.
North do not need to help Port.

WC, North and GWS can all play with higher pick trades without Port and without the current time pressure.

North would be brave to move from 1 to 3 without owning 2. North must be confident in the Cadman link to GWS but they’d also have to know the Eagles plans unless they’re happy with the crop.

Eagles also can’t move off 2 without Port unless they find a better offer than 8 and 12, looking at the current first round I’m not convinced by that. 8 has to be key to their plans of trading back, they have to have a limit of elite talent.

If there’s one team that doesn’t need Port it’s GWS, they could do a deal with the eagles for pick 2 and stiff North who don’t seem to want Cadman, but that risks someone else jumping to 1.

At the end of the day the big pieces of this deal work for all 4 teams. The small stuff can be negotiated

 

[00Stinger]

Horne Francis is being way over valued

 

[Schulzenfest]

There really isn't any need for a megatrade at the moment. If North, GWS and WC want to swap picks around it can be done after player trading is finished. Port dont need to be involved at all.
The only reason it seems to be being proposed is so Port can skim a bit off each of these trades in order to get enough capital to get the players they want. No matter how many times they repackage this stuff they just dont have enough draft capital without offloading players.

West Coast need Port to be involved because if we're not they lose Rioli for nothing. North need Port to be involved because if we're not they're stuck with a player who doesn't want to be there for another 12 months and his value takes another hit. You need Port not to be involved because you've been bleating all week about 'Port will need to give up a gun player to get this done!' so if it gets done without that your ego will take a hit. Unfortunately for you Rawlings is interested in getting a mutually beneficial deal for your club, not in your ego.