Traded Jason Horne-Francis [to Port Adelaide in multi-club trade]

[philthy05]

Are GWS looking to use picks 3, 12, 15, 18 and 19 purely for the draft? Or do they want to get some players in via trade?

Maybe we could upgrade pick 33 or 43 for one those later picks and offer up Byrne-Jones or Bonner?

We genuinely need to trade away a player for 2nd round. Can't see it happening another way.

Hayes, Drew, Bonner, DBJ, Farrell. DBJ with most value in that lot perhaps as an All-Australian and club BnF although he was off it best this year. I know he just resigned but yeah either him or Drew

In all seriousness North have actually done fine out of this deal. So have West Coast. GWS showed up, bent over and handed over the lube to make it work for everyone else, and I salute them for it.

Yeah I think north have done well. What more can you hope for to get for a player that wants out than a similar pick + a future 1st on top. That’s a good deal.

Also west coast, despite people knocking them to get out of pick 2 and the private school vic boys and into hewett territory , whose not far behind, if at all those vic boys plus get another pick. That’s good for them.

Ports given up a lot, but the fact we get future 2nds and 3rds back helps a lot,

In the end rozee butters jhf Bergman sinn to look forward too in our midfield.

I really rate that group of players as a future midfield. High end young talent there.

 

[Psicosis]

Many people think the deal is already done and it’s all just AFL grandstanding which is a strong possibility, but let’s just say it’s not. If it comes down to 5PM Wednesday and our final offer is 8, F1 and 33, North Melbourne are taking it. We all know it’s true. Why wouldn’t they?

Many Port people*

 

[FourthTimeAround]

It makes zero difference whether he wants to play for them or not. It only matters what they paid originally.

If you want to buy something from someone who doesn't want to sell, you don't offer less than what they originally paid and crack the shits when they refuse.

Have you ever participated in any purchase of anything, anywhere?

Do you not know that value fluctuates? You really don't know?

And as for cracking the shits, my clubs recruiting team haven't done anything of the sort. And to be honest, all that will happen is the two clubs valuations don't meet, and a deal doesn't get done.
And your club can concentrate on why JHF doesn't like your club.

 

[Obeanie1]

But that’s how it works isn’t it?

When NM are demanding the largest trade deal in the history of the AFL, for a player that doesn’t want to play for them, then that’s what you potentially end up with.

What is really happening here is Port is trying to pull off the greatest trade deal in its history. But only wants to give up pick 8/9 and a likely future pick 10/12 next year. Then save all its other picks to land Rioli and Ratagolea as well.

2022 pick 8 and 2023 pick 10 isnt close to being enough for an ex pick 1. That is the bottom line.

So I don't know where you are getting this largest trade in history from at all.

Judd cost pick 3, J Kennedy ex pick 4 plus 20.

So 3, 4 and 20 with a 2nd going back.

Port is offering 8/9 and a future pick 10 that will likely slide to 12.

Open the other eye mate.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Many people think the deal is already done and it’s all just AFL grandstanding which is a strong possibility, but let’s just say it’s not. If it comes down to 5PM Wednesday and our final offer is 8, F1 and 33, North Melbourne are taking it. We all know it’s true. Why wouldn’t they?

Yeah so pick 8, ~pick 10 and pick 33 is = pick 1? JHF will be forced to stay at North for nothing else other than get ****ed Port you campaigners

 

[melanChronic]

Personally I feel like the way he's handled the situation shows a fair bit less character than how Bucks handled his trade request. NB requesting a trade was a pretty s**t move, but at least he:

1. Made it clear to Brisbane from the start that he wanted to play in Melbourne and was not keen to spend his career with them, and
2. Actually gave a * in his first season. He gave Brisbane his all for his one year with them, didn't give up and stop caring halfway through.

Not here to completely s**t on JHF, I think at the end of the day he's a 19-year-old kid who's had some difficult circumstances and didn't handle the start of his career as well as he could have, but Buckley was a lot classier in how he went about his trade request.

He is still a kid though, every chance his attitude improves going forward in his career and he ends up an absolute star.

Buckley refused to even go to Brisbane for 1992 after they drafted him, and stayed at Port instead to win a flag (BOG in the GF) and a Magarey. Brisbane then convinced him that if he would play the 1993 season for them, they would trade him to the Melbourne club of his choice at the end of the year. He was 21 in his only season at Brisbane and was already clearly one of the best players in the land before he joined them.

Pretty different situation to JHF, where he is drafted at 18 to a basket case and faces intense media scrutiny and insecurity from the club regarding his potential return home. He was barely allowed to go home to visit during the year and got dropped when he did so once for Mother's day. Unlike Buckley, he doesn't have any definite timeline on when he can go to his desired destination, and as an 18-19 year old he is still trying to find his feet in one of the worst teams in history that's falling further apart as the season progresses.

Bucks was just as bullish about where he wanted to end up, and arguably even more petulant by not going to Brisbane for his first year.

 

[Brian McGee]

What is really happening here is Port is trying to pull off the greatest trade deal in its history. But only wants to give up pick 8/9 and a likely future pick 10/12 next year. Then save all its other picks to land Rioli and Ratagolea as well.

2022 pick 8 and 2023 pick 10 isnt close to being enough for an ex pick 1. That is the bottom line.

So I don't know where you are getting this largest trade in history from at all.

Judd cost pick 3, J Kennedy ex pick 4 plus 20.

So 3, 4 and 20 with a 2nd going back.

Port is offering 8/9 and a future pick 10 that will likely slide to 12.

Open the other eye mate.

Judd was the clear best player in the game. Are there any other examples since of the trade value we are talking about?

 

[Obeanie1]

So why not come out and say “Not interested at all?”

The Eagles have said they are not interested in the current offer. That is easy to understand isn't it? Plain enough?

They can sit back sipping iced tea and eating a party pie or two and just wait. An acceptable offer is made or it isn't. If trade period ends picks can still be traded pre draft and on draft night for an acceptable return. No pressure on the Eagles at all.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Yeah so pick 8, ~pick 10 and pick 33 is = pick 1? JHF will be forced to stay at North for nothing else other than get *ed Port you campaigners

Nobody is saying that is equal to pick 1 and that’s such a pointless mentality to hold.

If a trade goes through, it’s likely because North see getting a couple first rounders as being more beneficial to them long term then holding someone who doesn’t want to be at the club.

Now of course it’s their right to hold him there if they want. However they may also just want to get in a couple other highly rated youngsters and start fresh to rejuvenate their list.

 

[Obeanie1]

Judd was the clear best player in the game. Are there any other examples since of the trade value we are talking about?

We were talking about the biggest trade in history. The Judd trade was it.

This JHF deal isn't even close. That was the discussion. 8/9 and F10/12 and 33 is not the biggest trade price in history by a long way.

 

[bzparkes]

Many people think the deal is already done and it’s all just AFL grandstanding which is a strong possibility, but let’s just say it’s not. If it comes down to 5PM Wednesday and our final offer is 8, F1 and 33, North Melbourne are taking it. We all know it’s true. Why wouldn’t they?

Because it's complete unders.

Why would they accept a poor offer when they don't have to?

 

[Brian McGee]

We were talking about the biggest trade in history. The Judd trade was it.

This JHF deal isn't even close. That was the discussion. 8/9 and F10/12 and 33 is not the biggest trade price in history by a long way.

Second biggest trade in history?

 

[Brian McGee]

Do you sell you new iPhone to the meth addict who approaches you on the street for half-price, simply because you won't get a better offer next week, even though you had zero intention of selling it in the first place?

In this scenario, Port is the meth addict.

In this scenario you are also selling the phone to the ice addict for 95% of its value, not hold price. And the phone doesn’t want to be your phone anymore.

 

[King_Tredrea]

Because it's complete unders.

Why would they accept a poor offer when they don't have to?

What’s the realistic alternative? They picked the wrong player with Pick 1. They need to lick their wounds and move on. Two Top 10 picks is not bad at all.

 

[Del191229]

And your club can concentrate on why JHF doesn't like your club.

Oh we know, his deadbeat controlling step Dad wants his walking ATM back in Port where he can keep an eye on him.

 

[fargothegreat]

Judd was the clear best player in the game. Are there any other examples since of the trade value we are talking about?

Tom Boyd's a good one to look at. Identical situation to JHF and was traded for pick 6 and the Dogs' captain.

Contracted pick #1s one year into their career are worth a lot.

 

[Schulzenfest]

If Nathan Buckley was lazy and didn't do his recovery work.

Prior to turning up at the dumpster fire that is North Melbourne, JHF was noted for his drive and professionalism.

Tom Boyd's a good one to look at. Identical situation to JHF and was traded for pick 6 and the Dogs' captain.

Contracted pick #1s one year into their career are worth a lot.

Pick 6 and Tom Jonas it is then.

 

[DanWA]

Port goes after the #1 pick without currency to get it done

Laughable

 

[King_Tredrea]

Port goes after the #1 pick without currency to get it done

Laughable

West Coast would do the same in the situation we are in. Get over it.

 

[bzparkes]

What’s the realistic alternative? They picked the wrong player with Pick 1. They need to lick their wounds and move on. Two Top 10 picks is not bad at all.

Alternative? Do nothing and re-visit the trade next year.

They have a full year to get him to change his mind and stay, or to bring Adelaide into the equation.

Daniher wanted to go to Sydney and ended up going to Brisbane a year later, because they were prepared to pay the asking price and were able to convince him to nominate htem.

Papley stayed at Sydney after requesting a trade to Carlton.

Etc.

North don't need to do anything. If Port won't front up what will satisfy North to facilitate a trade, I imagine JHF and his manager won't be too pleased with them after convincing him to ask for a trade in the first place.

 

[Schulzenfest]

West Coast would do the same in the situation we are in. Get over it.

They did do the same in the situation we are in. And when the deal for Kelly fell through in year 1, they just came back and did the deal the next year anyway. No harm done.

 

[bzparkes]

West Coast would do the same in the situation we are in. Get over it.

No, WCE wouldn't. We offered overs for Kelly in his first year and got denied,a s Geelong didn't want to trade him. We than paid overs in his second year to ensure the trade got done.

We didn't go shopping with an empty bank account then say to the cashier "take it or leave it".

 

[bzparkes]

They did do the same in the situation we are in. And when the deal for Kelly fell through in year 1, they just came back and did the deal the next year anyway. No harm done.

The difference is that we kept upping our offer to satisfy Geelong but they didn't want to trade Kelly to begin with, as was their right.

Port haven't even tried to satisfy North's original trade request and have attempted to low-ball instead.

 

[King_Tredrea]

Alternative? Do nothing and re-visit the trade next year.

They have a full year to get him to change his mind and stay, or to bring Adelaide into the equation.

Daniher wanted to go to Sydney and ended up going to Brisbane a year later, because they were prepared to pay the asking price and were able to convince him to nominate htem.

Papley stayed at Sydney after requesting a trade to Carlton.

Etc.

North don't need to do anything. If Port won't front up what will satisfy North to facilitate a trade, I imagine JHF and his manager won't be too pleased with them after convincing him to ask for a trade in the first place.

A) Adelaide aren’t in the equation
B) hes checked out of North. He goes now, or for even less next year
C) JHF’s management approached Port about their intentions, not the other way around

 

[DanWA]

West Coast would do the same in the situation we are in. Get over it.

Better luck next year

There is still time to sweeten the deal for others involved so you can get the currency for JHF though

 

[The Nostradamus]

Port goes after the #1 pick without currency to get it done

Laughable

They’re amateurs

Take note when trading with port in the future