Review Round 3, 2023 - Bulldogs vs. Brisbane Lions

[Jivlain]

That looks to me as though it has been a directive to play that role.
The problem that I see is that it should have been Lincoln McCarthy out there to run back in and get front and centre if the ball hits the ground not Hippy.
Reverse the roles and put a small out there and the structure looks fine.
Can’t see how that is Hippy’s fault other than that he needs to get back a bit quicker rather than just labouring in.

The issue is that he's not forcing his man to cover him, the sort of thing that creates those numbers mismatches I've been highlighting lately.
Creating separation is good, it's a thing we've been missing. But you needing to be creating a separation in a useful direction, so you drag your man with you, not leave him to create an outnumber while you hope for a 100m kick.

Maybe it's a change we've tried to make to create more separation and we just haven't got it right just yet.

 

[Nathan Barley]

The issue is that he's not forcing his man to cover him, the sort of thing that creates those numbers mismatches I've been highlighting lately.
Creating separation is good, it's a thing we've been missing. But you needing to be creating a separation in a useful direction, so you drag your man with you, not leave him to create an outnumber while you hope for a 100m kick.

Maybe it's a change we've tried to make to create more separation and we just haven't got it right just yet.

Quicker ball movement is the key

 

[mebevan]

People hammering Joe (yes he had a couple of brain fades) and Eric but Naughton didn't do much in that game as the service both ends was horrid.

McStay was our contested mark last year. With him gone and a lot of defensive heat and lack of rebound run in the demons/bulldogs games we have struggled to get clean ball into the forward line. So Joe and Eric are just parked under crappy long bombs. Doesn't help that Hugh and Link are a bit off the pace.

• I think we need to just get better linkage out of mid less panicked kicks to no one
• Get the ball coming into the forward line lower to the leading mark and not just to Gunston who they seem to be trying to pick out a lot to the detriment of our other forwards

Fixtures ahead look good. Just need calm heads and keep the pressure we had in that demons game.

 

[Section 5]

I think people overestimate how many contested marks are actually taken by players in a full season.
Below Geelong the premiers, and Lions for season 2022.
FORWARDS

2022 Brisbane Total Contested Marks Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)​

Rank Name Games Total 1​ Daniel McStay​ 22​ 29​ 2​ Harris Andrews​ 24​ 28​ 3​ Joe Daniher​ 19​ 25​ 4​ Marcus Adams​ 18​ 19​ 5​ Oscar McInerney​ 22​ 18​ 6​ Eric Hipwood​ 17​ 15​ 6​ Charlie Cameron​ 25​ 15​ 6​ Cameron Rayner​ 24​ 15​ 9​ Darcy Gardiner​ 21​ 14​ 9​ Lincoln McCarthy​ 25​ 14​ 11​ Jack Payne​ 12​ 11​ 12​ Brandon Starcevich​ 24​ 9​ 12​ Noah Answerth​ 23​ 9​ 12​ Darcy Fort​ 18​ 9​ 15​ Lachie Neale​ 25​ 7​

2022 Geelong Total Contested Marks Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)​
	Rank Name Games Total 1​ Tom Hawkins​ 25​ 42​ 2​ Sam De Koning​ 23​ 36​ 3​ Jeremy Cameron​ 24​ 27​ 4​ Rhys Stanley​ 20​ 20​ 4​ Mark Blicavs​ 24​ 20​ 6​ Jake Kolodjashnij​ 23​ 15​ 7​ Thomas Stewart​ 20​ 14​ 7​ Patrick Dangerfield​ 18​ 14​ 7​ Zach Guthrie​ 21​ 14​ 10​ Jack Henry​ 17​ 10​ 11​ Zach Tuohy​ 24​ 6​

 

[Dalions]

I think people overestimate how many contested marks are actually taken by players in a full season.
Below Geelong the premiers, and Lions for season 2022.
FORWARDS

2022 Brisbane Total Contested Marks Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)​

Rank Name Games Total 1​ Daniel McStay​ 22​ 29​ 2​ Harris Andrews​ 24​ 28​ 3​ Joe Daniher​ 19​ 25​ 4​ Marcus Adams​ 18​ 19​ 5​ Oscar McInerney​ 22​ 18​ 6​ Eric Hipwood​ 17​ 15​ 6​ Charlie Cameron​ 25​ 15​ 6​ Cameron Rayner​ 24​ 15​ 9​ Darcy Gardiner​ 21​ 14​ 9​ Lincoln McCarthy​ 25​ 14​ 11​ Jack Payne​ 12​ 11​ 12​ Brandon Starcevich​ 24​ 9​ 12​ Noah Answerth​ 23​ 9​ 12​ Darcy Fort​ 18​ 9​ 15​ Lachie Neale​ 25​ 7​

2022 Geelong Total Contested Marks Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)​
	Rank Name Games Total 1​ Tom Hawkins​ 25​ 42​ 2​ Sam De Koning​ 23​ 36​ 3​ Jeremy Cameron​ 24​ 27​ 4​ Rhys Stanley​ 20​ 20​ 4​ Mark Blicavs​ 24​ 20​ 6​ Jake Kolodjashnij​ 23​ 15​ 7​ Thomas Stewart​ 20​ 14​ 7​ Patrick Dangerfield​ 18​ 14​ 7​ Zach Guthrie​ 21​ 14​ 10​ Jack Henry​ 17​ 10​ 11​ Zach Tuohy​ 24​ 6​

Who is leading this year so far?
Feels like Oscar to me?

 

[KissKiss]

Who is leading this year so far?
Feels like Oscar to me?

Or Harris

 

[Gadzorks]

I think people overestimate how many contested marks are actually taken by players in a full season.
Below Geelong the premiers, and Lions for season 2022.
FORWARDS

2022 Brisbane Total Contested Marks Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)​

Rank Name Games Total 1​ Daniel McStay​ 22​ 29​ 2​ Harris Andrews​ 24​ 28​ 3​ Joe Daniher​ 19​ 25​ 4​ Marcus Adams​ 18​ 19​ 5​ Oscar McInerney​ 22​ 18​ 6​ Eric Hipwood​ 17​ 15​ 6​ Charlie Cameron​ 25​ 15​ 6​ Cameron Rayner​ 24​ 15​ 9​ Darcy Gardiner​ 21​ 14​ 9​ Lincoln McCarthy​ 25​ 14​ 11​ Jack Payne​ 12​ 11​ 12​ Brandon Starcevich​ 24​ 9​ 12​ Noah Answerth​ 23​ 9​ 12​ Darcy Fort​ 18​ 9​ 15​ Lachie Neale​ 25​ 7​

2022 Geelong Total Contested Marks Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)​
	Rank Name Games Total 1​ Tom Hawkins​ 25​ 42​ 2​ Sam De Koning​ 23​ 36​ 3​ Jeremy Cameron​ 24​ 27​ 4​ Rhys Stanley​ 20​ 20​ 4​ Mark Blicavs​ 24​ 20​ 6​ Jake Kolodjashnij​ 23​ 15​ 7​ Thomas Stewart​ 20​ 14​ 7​ Patrick Dangerfield​ 18​ 14​ 7​ Zach Guthrie​ 21​ 14​ 10​ Jack Henry​ 17​ 10​ 11​ Zach Tuohy​ 24​ 6​

Did they only have 11 players that took contested marks?

Our top 11 took 203 and out total was 237.
Their 11 took 218.

But breaking it down for the top two in each team (the third placed plus one both lists are relatively even)

Hawkins and de Koining at FF and fb took a combined 78.

mcStay and Andrews took a combined 57.

There's a premiership difference in two of the spine players.

 

[Dalions]

Or Harris

Harris appears to be deliberately going for his marks again this year which is awesome.
He has seemingly been low in confidence the last couple of years in that area.

 

[Section 5]

Who is leading this year so far?
Feels like Oscar to me?

Very small sample size
Don't forget rucks are always positioned around where the contest is.

2023 Brisbane Total Contested Marks Leaders​ Rank Name Games Total 1​ Oscar McInerney​ 3​ 6​ 2​ Harris Andrews​ 3​ 5​ 3​ Jack Gunston​ 3​ 3​ 4​ Josh Dunkley​ 3​ 2​ 4​ Darcy Wilmot​ 3​ 2​ 4​ Eric Hipwood​ 3​ 2​ 7​ Darcy Fort​ 2​ 1​ 7​ Darragh Joyce​ 2​ 1​ 7​ Jack Payne​ 3​ 1​ 7​ Brandon Starcevich​ 3​ 1​ 7​ Cameron Rayner​ 3​ 1​ 7​ Jarrod Berry​ 3​ 1​ 7​ Joe Daniher​ 3​ 1​

 

[Section 5]

Did they only have 11 players that took contested marks?

Our top 11 took 203 and out total was 237.
Their 11 took 218.

But breaking it down for the top two in each team (the third placed plus one both lists are relatively even)

Hawkins and de Koining at FF and fb took a combined 78.

mcStay and Andrews took a combined 57.

There's a premiership difference in two of the spine players.

Not the full list i just took it down to players with 6 and 7 contested marks.
My take on that list, although not complete, is our forwards took 113 contested marks to the Cats 69.

 

[martinson]

Very small sample size
Don't forget rucks are always positioned around where the contest is.

2023 Brisbane Total Contested Marks Leaders​ Rank Name Games Total 1​ Oscar McInerney​ 3​ 6​ 2​ Harris Andrews​ 3​ 5​ 3​ Jack Gunston​ 3​ 3​ 4​ Josh Dunkley​ 3​ 2​ 4​ Darcy Wilmot​ 3​ 2​ 4​ Eric Hipwood​ 3​ 2​ 7​ Darcy Fort​ 2​ 1​ 7​ Darragh Joyce​ 2​ 1​ 7​ Jack Payne​ 3​ 1​ 7​ Brandon Starcevich​ 3​ 1​ 7​ Cameron Rayner​ 3​ 1​ 7​ Jarrod Berry​ 3​ 1​ 7​ Joe Daniher​ 3​ 1​

We're not covering ourselves in glory there are we.

 

[Section 5]

We're not covering ourselves in glory there are we.

Saints are top of the ladder
Once again a ruck leads the list

2023 St Kilda Total Contested Marks Leaders​ Rank Name Games Total 1​ Rowan Marshall​ 3​ 6​ 2​ Josh Battle​ 3​ 3​ 2​ Callum Wilkie​ 3​ 3​ 2​ Mitchito Owens​ 3​ 3​ 2​ Mason Wood​ 3​ 3​ 6​ Anthony Caminiti​ 3​ 2​ 6​ Hunter Clark​ 3​ 2​ 6​ Mattaes Phillipou​ 3​ 2​ 9​ Jack Higgins​ 3​ 1​ 9​ Ryan Byrnes​ 3​ 1​ 9​ Jade Gresham​ 3​ 1​ 9​ Jimmy Webster​ 2​ 1​

 

[dlanod]

Once again a ruck leads the list

More opportunities to take contested marks when you can't outlead anyone!

 

[Gadzorks]

Not the full list i just took it down to players with 6 and 7 contested marks.
My take on that list, although not complete, is our forwards took 113 contested marks to the Cats 69.

Stats!! They tell so many different stories.