How good are these horses?

[Mordecai]

Bump.

Any revisions?

I'm interested in thoughts on where people rate Whobegotyou, So You Think and Black Caviar amongst these horses.

(I'm still aware this is an impossible task but am interested in opinion anyway)

A further bump. Where does Winx rate amongst this lot? Any other to consider?

 

[iluvparis]

Whobe - lol

Winx is the best of that lot IMHO - concede some would have BC ahead which would be fair enough.

 

[FallingLiefs]

BC
Winx
SYT
-
Every other horse listed in this thread.

If we are listing horses like forensics there's too many more to list.

 

[HeathySure]

Hay List about 4th on the list. Would be considered an all time great sprinter if not for BC

MY top 4
BC 1a
Winx 1b
So You Think
Hay List

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Makybe Diva
Winx
Black Caviar
So You Think

 

[Lebbo73]

Winx
Better Loosen Up
Black Caviar
Might And Power (would top the list if they took it to Japan and won. Instead they spelled it and it suffered an injury that he never recovered from)

 

[Mr Magic]

Winx needs to be matched with Deep Impact or Almond Eye's sire to get a real idea of quality pedigree on the racetrack.

Some Aussie should lease Lys Gracieux for a year. Would be great for punters letting her run in Australia seeing a quality horse with pedigree running around.

Too early to retire and leaves punters having to watch hacks run around before another good one of decent pedigree is found

 

[Mordecai]

So You Think
Black Caviar
Takeover Target
El Segundo
Whobegotyou
Gold Edition
Apache Cat
Miss Andretti
Haradasun
Sam MIss
Miss Finland
Forensics
Weekend Hussler
Wonderful World
Northern Meteor
Royal Ascher

Bump. Using this quote as a starting point despite their account ban.

Where would a one-time high flyer like Rebel Raider fit in this bunch?

Miss Andretti seems to have dropped off a bit after the second bump - that because of Winx and BC?

 

[Jugada]

Bump. Using this quote as a starting point despite their account ban.

Where would a one-time high flyer like Rebel Raider fit in this bunch?

Miss Andretti seems to have dropped off a bit after the second bump - that because of Winx and BC?

Rebel Raider would be at the bottom of most lists that don't include a complete scrubber like Royal Asscher

 

[iluvparis]

Would be interesting to see what a horse like El Segundo would do against our current batch of WFA scrubbers. He was kind of also in one of those in between eras in terms of having top quality horses (beat Wonderful World in his Cox Plate from memory FFS)

 

[HeathySure]

Would be interesting to see what a horse like El Segundo would do against our current batch of WFA scrubbers. He was kind of also in one of those in between eras in terms of having top quality horses (beat Wonderful World in his Cox Plate from memory FFS)

I loved him because his mother Palos Verdes was one of my faves but he was running in a terrible era. Would probably have started 10/1 in last years Cox Plate and probably run a good 3rd or 4th

 

[HeathySure]

Bump. Using this quote as a starting point despite their account ban.

Where would a one-time high flyer like Rebel Raider fit in this bunch?

Miss Andretti seems to have dropped off a bit after the second bump - that because of Winx and BC?

Rebel Raider was group 2 quality at best. Not a bad sire though for the mares he gets.

Miss Andretti would beat Nature Strip easily at her best

 

[Jugada]

El Segundo probably be a Mounga or Thunder type today I would guess

 

[iluvparis]

Rebel Raider was group 2 quality at best. Not a bad sire though for the mares he gets.

Miss Andretti would beat Nature Strip easily at her best

Yeah nah

 

[Jugada]

Going against the grain for the sake of it if you have Miss Andretti beating the Strip. Literally all evidence points the other way

 

[Mordecai]

Rebel Raider was group 2 quality at best. Not a bad sire though for the mares he gets.

Miss Andretti would beat Nature Strip easily at her best

Miss Andretti wins at Ascot

www.theage.com.au

Six-year-old Andretti set a new course record of 57.44secs today

King Charles Iii Stakes | Past Winners | Results | United Kingdom

The king charles iii stakes is a group 1 race run under weight for age conditions for sprinters at royal ascot conducted by the ascot racecourse. The king charles iii stakes is run over the straight five furlongs. Royal ascot's short course sprint was first run in 1860 and won by queen of the vale.

www.racingandsports.com.au

Nature Strip in the same race clocked 60.55secs.

Could definitely make the case for Miss Andretti.

 

[HeathySure]

Going against the grain for the sake of it if you have Miss Andretti beating the Strip. Literally all evidence points the other way

She held 5 track records. Was stronger over 1200m Would blow him away fairly easily

 

[Jugada]

Miss Andretti wins at Ascot

www.theage.com.au

Six-year-old Andretti set a new course record of 57.44secs today

King Charles Iii Stakes | Past Winners | Results | United Kingdom

The king charles iii stakes is a group 1 race run under weight for age conditions for sprinters at royal ascot conducted by the ascot racecourse. The king charles iii stakes is run over the straight five furlongs. Royal ascot's short course sprint was first run in 1860 and won by queen of the vale.

www.racingandsports.com.au

Nature Strip in the same race clocked 60.55secs.

Could definitely make the case for Miss Andretti.

By that logic then I could make a case that Hey Doc was better than Miss Andretti given he broke her record in the Manikato.

Overall times from races 15 years apart is very low on the list of key points when comparing two horses

 

[Jugada]

She held 5 track records. Was stronger over 1200m Would blow him away fairly easily

I think I'll take 3x TJ Smith, 2x VRC Sprint and an Everest over a VRC Sprint, Newmarket and Manikato if we are comparing 1200m wins

 

[iluvparis]

Time form rating of the Squib also 6 pounds superior to Miss A

 

[HeathySure]

Time form rating of the Squib also 6 pounds superior to Miss A

Time Form also said Avilicat was Australias best miler

 

[HeathySure]

I think I'll take 3x TJ Smith, 2x VRC Sprint and an Everest over a VRC Sprint, Newmarket and Manikato if we are comparing 1200m wins

she didn't have the longevity of him not to mention that the races werent as prestigious as they are now

 

[iluvparis]

Time Form also said Avilicat was Australias best miler

As I told you