PSD Picks.

[diligaf]

Q. What does Kent Kingsley, Trent Knobel and Patrick Bowden have in common? A. They are all PSD failures.
Is Miller made accountable for procuring these misfits? I cannot remember the last time we recruited a serviceable player in a PSD.
Names like Hudson, Blumfield, Rombotis, Weller and Graham (just to name a few) confirms that we have NFI of boosting our list in the PSD.
We are in desperate need of "capable senior bodies" to support our youngsters so I pray for our recruiting department to make the right choices this year!!!

 

[tugga]

People place too much emphasis on the PSD.
It's not like Nick Stevens is available every year.
Players fall through to the PSD for a very good reason – because their club does not want them or aren't concerned enough by the departure to make a play to keep them.

 

[duckboy]

Q. What does Kent Kingsley, Trent Knobel and Patrick Bowden have in common? A. They are all PSD failures.
Is Miller made accountable for procuring these misfits? I cannot remember the last time we recruited a serviceable player in a PSD.
Names like Hudson, Blumfield, Rombotis, Weller and Graham (just to name a few) confirms that we have NFI of boosting our list in the PSD.
We are in desperate need of "capable senior bodies" to support our youngsters so I pray for our recruiting department to make the right choices this year!!!

We traded for P. Bowden. 4th rounder.

 

[jezza]

Pat Bowden wasn't in the PSD.

Perhaps you can provide us with an overall breakdown of successes and failures in the PSD for all clubs so that we can accurately judge whether we as a club have performed any worse than the norm.

 

[diligaf]

People place too much emphasis on the PSD.
It's not like Nick Stevens is available every year.
Players fall through to the PSD for a very good reason – because their club does not want them or aren't concerned enough by the departure to make a play to keep them.

I agree with you whole heartedly, but we have simply chosen the wrong players in the past. Since 05, we have missed out on Eddie Betts, Jason Porplyzia, Cameron Cloke, Chris Bryan and Matthew Clarke (all of the names mentioned are were better options than our current PSD players)!

 

[tugga]

I agree with you whole heartedly, but we have simply chosen the wrong players in the past. Since 05, we have missed out on Eddie Betts, Jason Porplyzia, Cameron Cloke, Chris Bryan and Matthew Clarke (all of the names mentioned are were better options than our current PSD players)!

I think you've just answered your own post diligaf.

 

[Big Punt]

Were Matt White & Will Thursfield picked up in the PSD?

 

[Goldust]

Tugga is right.

There are two choices.

Take something that is on offer, which invariably is not a lot, or not participate at all.

Yr Nick Stevens does not come along every year and it takes something extraordinary for a player of that ilk to become available.

Granted our record in the PSD is nothing to write home about, but has any club had sustained success in the PSD.

I would imagine 90% or more of players selected are gone by their second year.

Carlton, for example, took Eddie Betts one year. He has played somewhere between three and five years.....but would you say he has been a rousing success????????

Kingsley was taken pure and simply as insurance for Richo, who was injured at the time, and was looking like missing games at the start of the season, and as competition foir the likes of Schulz and Hughes to lift their act.

Instead of directing anger towards Kingsley, who missed the first eight or nine games and played parts of three game sbefore venturing back to Coburg, I would lean more toward being pissed that neither Schulz or Hughes has accepted the challenge laid down before them and cemented a regular gig as a key forward!!!!

The position is there for the taking!!!

And while I am not a fan, it is hard to condemn Knobel as he has been unavailable for the entire year.

Which is why I sometimes LMAO at talk about the overwhelming need to delist the likes of Knobel, Hall, Kingsley, Hartigan (of which I am guilty too) as they are hardly the reason our side is currently not firing.

They have been absent from the line-up all season!

 

[LVAK]

I agree with you whole heartedly, but we have simply chosen the wrong players in the past. Since 05, we have missed out on Eddie Betts, Jason Porplyzia, Cameron Cloke, Chris Bryan and Matthew Clarke (all of the names mentioned are were better options than our current PSD players)!

And according to this so have everyone except Carlton, Adelaide, Collingwood and St.Kilda and even then I'm not really sold on the list you've compiled.

With the PSD you are either taking a speculative pick on someone fairly untried or you pick up someone who you know what you're getting but it's usually not much.

You may find an 'expert' forom the HUN or FC arguing this point claiming that it proves how bad our recruiting is but like this it's selective and mostly unfounded.

 

[Goldust]

And according to this so have everyone except Carlton, Adelaide, Collingwood and St.Kilda and even then I'm not really sold on the list you've compiled.

With the PSD you are either taking a speculative pick on someone fairly untried or you pick up someone who you know what you're getting but it's usually not much.

You may find an 'expert' forom the HUN or FC arguing this point claiming that it proves how bad our recruiting is but like this it's selective and mostly unfounded.

AGREE LVAK. Granted Kingsley has not panned out as expected (though I don't think the club had grand plans for him anyway ...see my previous post), but would we be significantly better off with the 37 year old Clarke, one of the two out of three very ordinary Clokes, wildly inconsistent Betts or any other number of players given a lifeline via the pre-season draft. Porplyzia I wopuld say yes, but we are not talking difference makers here!!!! One in every 20 players drafted in the PSD might make a meaningful contribution.

 

[PHX]

Were Matt White & Will Thursfield picked up in the PSD?

Matt White was.


Thursty was an elevated rookie.

 

[PHX]

Q. What does Kent Kingsley, Trent Knobel and Patrick Bowden have in common? A. They are all PSD failures.
Is Miller made accountable for procuring these misfits? I cannot remember the last time we recruited a serviceable player in a PSD.
Names like Hudson, Blumfield, Rombotis, Weller and Graham (just to name a few) confirms that we have NFI of boosting our list in the PSD.
We are in desperate need of "capable senior bodies" to support our youngsters so I pray for our recruiting department to make the right choices this year!!!

Mostly WRONG!

Blumfield: Not PSD. Traded in 2002 draft for pick #28

Rombotis: WTF? That guy is ancient. Miller was still at the Kangas when he came to Richmond.

Mark Graham: NOT PSD: Picked with pick 70ish in national draft.

Luke Weller: Yup pick 11 PSD.

Paul Hudson: Not PSD: Traded to us.

 

[tigertiger]

Mostly WRONG!

Blumfield: Not PSD. Traded in 2002 draft for pick #28

Rombotis: WTF? That guy is ancient. Miller was still at the Kangas when he came to Richmond.

Mark Graham: NOT PSD: Picked with pick 70ish in national draft.

Luke Weller: Yup pick 11 PSD.

Paul Hudson: Not PSD: Traded to us.

excellent post

were do you get this info from?

would really like to be able to get player history etc so i could help shootdown posts that wildly throw names around

 

[duckboy]

excellent post

were do you get this info from?

would really like to be able to get player history etc so i could help shootdown posts that wildly throw names around

Draft history - www.footywire.com/

Wikipedia has good info too.

 

[diligaf]

Pat Bowden wasn't in the PSD.

Perhaps you can provide us with an overall breakdown of successes and failures in the PSD for all clubs so that we can accurately judge whether we as a club have performed any worse than the norm.

2007
We chose Kent Kingsley ahead of Cameron Cloke, Matthew Clarke and Chris Bryan.
2006
We chose Matthew White ahead of Jason Porplyzia.
2005
We chose Trent Knobel ahead of Eddie Betts.
2004
We chose Ben Marsh ahead of Jacob Surjan and Josh Manoney.
2003
We passed #2 pick when Craig Bolton and Brent Moloney were available.

 

[PHX]

Draft history - www.footywire.com/

Wikipedia has good info too.

Yeah that's mostly where in at. And memory.

 

[kainokaino]

Q. What does Kent Kingsley, Trent Knobel and Patrick Bowden have in common? A. They are all PSD failures.

1. He was traded like other people have said

2. How the fu** do you see him as a failure ?
hes been injured for the majority of the year, last year he averaged 20 disposals and 8 marks which is a great effort.
This year he played 3 games and averaged around 15 disposals and 6 marks,
which is also a fair effort.

So i really dont see how you can say hes a failure

 

[diligaf]

Mostly WRONG!

Blumfield: Not PSD. Traded in 2002 draft for pick #28

Rombotis: WTF? That guy is ancient. Miller was still at the Kangas when he came to Richmond.

Mark Graham: NOT PSD: Picked with pick 70ish in national draft.

Luke Weller: Yup pick 11 PSD.

Paul Hudson: Not PSD: Traded to us.

Apologies for my misjudgement phoenix as some names mentioned were actually late draft picks or trades. But there is no excuse for overlooking the lad who smashed us in the Ruck back in R1 while Kingsley was nursing another niggling injury!

 

[beaver's army]

Apologies for my misjudgement phoenix as some names mentioned were actually late draft picks or trades. But there is no excuse for overlooking the lad who smashed us in the Ruck back in R1 while Kingsley was nursing another niggling injury!

I'm sure TW didnt expect our first 3 choice ruckmen to all miss round 1 back when the PSD was done. Think about it for how many ruckmen would you like us to have 5, 6 or 7? It would just be a waste of money having so many ruckmen when only 2 are likely to play in the same game.

 

[soapyJNR]

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2003
We passed #2 pick when Craig Bolton and Brent Moloney were available.[/QUOTE]

I think you will find that our finances had a lot to do with this situation. Craig Bolton had already struck a deal with Sydney that made him too rich for us to take (aka our Gasper deal many moons earlier)....and Moloney has not really set the world on fire I think Paul Newman said it best in Cool Hand Luke "sometimes nothing is the best hand to have" (I know I slaughtered that but I hope my point was made) we couldn't really afford to participate and we did have acrack at Bolton he just wanted too much..

 

[Lachy23]

I Would Call Kingsley A Failure But Certainly Not Bowden

 

[LVAK]

2007
We chose Kent Kingsley ahead of Cameron Cloke, Matthew Clarke and Chris Bryan.
2006
We chose Matthew White ahead of Jason Porplyzia.
2005
We chose Trent Knobel ahead of Eddie Betts.
2004
We chose Ben Marsh ahead of Jacob Surjan and Josh Manoney.
2003
We passed #2 pick when Craig Bolton and Brent Moloney were available.

But as jezza said' provide for ALL clubs...' . I bet if you look back and take just about any pick in any of the drafts then there is probably a better player taken after them . For all clubs. Fifteen clubs overlooked James Hird five times ( OK they snuck him away but you get my drift)

The names mentioned are hardly the most amazing bunch of world beaters and that's my point. The PSD is probably the least influential of all the drafts and deals prior to the draft exclude you from taking certian people anyway.

 

[sante]

2007
We chose Kent Kingsley ahead of Cameron Cloke, Matthew Clarke and Chris Bryan.
2006
We chose Matthew White ahead of Jason Porplyzia.
2005
We chose Trent Knobel ahead of Eddie Betts.
2004
We chose Ben Marsh ahead of Jacob Surjan and Josh Manoney.
2003
We passed #2 pick when Craig Bolton and Brent Moloney were available.

Moloney was traded to the Dees. We went for Bolton but Sydney traded for him didn't they?

Only stuff up is the Marsh pick IMO, the rest are even.

 

[diligaf]

I'm sure TW didnt expect our first 3 choice ruckmen to all miss round 1 back when the PSD was done. Think about it for how many ruckmen would you like us to have 5, 6 or 7? It would just be a waste of money having so many ruckmen when only 2 are likely to play in the same game.

I'm actually thinking of Kingsley against the versatility and enthusiasm and youth of one Cameron Cloke!

 

[I Rock]

This thread is drowning fast, Betts over Knobel during a ruck shortage at Richmond and a Cloke over anybody come on.