Review Round 6, 2024 - Brisbane Lions vs. Geelong

[Elixuh]

We can add a new question to our draft screening - do you plan on shaving your head over an off season?

 

[On the quiet]

we were leading 23 to 14 when Oscar went off in the first 10 minutes of the 2nd Q. Whilst it was not a night for KPF's, having our key forward ruck for the rest of the game had an effect on not just the hitouts in the middle but importantly our forward line structure. I believe we scored only two goals after we lost Oscar.

As for some of the whipping boys, Hippy, Payne and to a lesser extent Berry.

With Joe rucking, Geelong were able to team up on Eric. Yes that miss in the first Q that would have got us to 18 nil wasn't great but it was a wet night. Having watched the replay he was still competing for the ball but not the night to be taking big marks. I saw him bust through a number of attempted tackles on a couple of occasions.
Payne fumbled the ball a few times, (there were many players on both sides who did), obviously missing that mark in the first Q lead to a goal, and any error by a fullback gets amplified. He did however, stick like glue to Hawkins who did not have one shot at goal, had two goal assist and a total of 8 disposals (he also plays forward ruck so probably collect a few disposals there). Yes Payne got out muscled once in the centre square in a contest, but geez Hawkins has done that for his entire career.
Berry was working up and down the ground and put himself in a position where he got a few shots at goal and competed in at least one marking contest deep in defence (where he worked back to help out). If he is being judged for kicking the ball out three or four times, then there are many players from both teams that did that in the wet conditions.

Eric, Jack or Jarrod will not be dropped for the GWS game and nor should they. I don't see how they are responsible for the loss. IMO the loss of Oscar who was dominating a three game player (Conway) had a determinantal effect and to a lesser extent the 'Geelong weather'

 

[Elixuh]

we were leading 23 to 14 when Oscar went off in the first 10 minutes of the 2nd Q. Whilst it was not a night for KPF's, having our key forward ruck for the rest of the game had an effect on not just the hitouts in the middle but importantly our forward line structure. I believe we scored only two goals after we lost Oscar.

As for some of the whipping boys, Hippy, Payne and to a lesser extent Berry.

With Joe rucking, Geelong were able to team up on Eric. Yes that miss in the first Q that would have got us to 18 nil wasn't great but it was a wet night. Having watched the replay he was still competing for the ball but not the night to be taking big marks. I saw him bust through a number of attempted tackles on a couple of occasions.
Payne fumbled the ball a few times, (there were many players on both sides who did), obviously missing that mark in the first Q lead to a goal, and any error by a fullback gets amplified. He did however, stick like glue to Hawkins who did not have one shot at goal, had two goal assist and a total of 8 disposals (he also plays forward ruck so probably collect a few disposals there). Yes Payne got out muscled once in the centre square in a contest, but geez Hawkins has done that for his entire career.
Berry was working up and down the ground and put himself in a position where he got a few shots at goal and competed in at least one marking contest deep in defence (where he worked back to help out). If he is being judged for kicking the ball out three or four times, then there are many players from both teams that did that in the wet conditions.

Eric, Jack or Jarrod will not be dropped for the GWS game and nor should they. I don't see how they are responsible for the loss. IMO the loss of Oscar who was dominating a three game player (Conway) had a determinantal effect and to a lesser extent the 'Geelong weather'

Awesome summation of the night.

 

[buttermuffs]

we were leading 23 to 14 when Oscar went off in the first 10 minutes of the 2nd Q. Whilst it was not a night for KPF's, having our key forward ruck for the rest of the game had an effect on not just the hitouts in the middle but importantly our forward line structure. I believe we scored only two goals after we lost Oscar.

As for some of the whipping boys, Hippy, Payne and to a lesser extent Berry.

With Joe rucking, Geelong were able to team up on Eric. Yes that miss in the first Q that would have got us to 18 nil wasn't great but it was a wet night. Having watched the replay he was still competing for the ball but not the night to be taking big marks. I saw him bust through a number of attempted tackles on a couple of occasions.
Payne fumbled the ball a few times, (there were many players on both sides who did), obviously missing that mark in the first Q lead to a goal, and any error by a fullback gets amplified. He did however, stick like glue to Hawkins who did not have one shot at goal, had two goal assist and a total of 8 disposals (he also plays forward ruck so probably collect a few disposals there). Yes Payne got out muscled once in the centre square in a contest, but geez Hawkins has done that for his entire career.
Berry was working up and down the ground and put himself in a position where he got a few shots at goal and competed in at least one marking contest deep in defence (where he worked back to help out). If he is being judged for kicking the ball out three or four times, then there are many players from both teams that did that in the wet conditions.

Eric, Jack or Jarrod will not be dropped for the GWS game and nor should they. I don't see how they are responsible for the loss. IMO the loss of Oscar who was dominating a three game player (Conway) had a determinantal effect and to a lesser extent the 'Geelong weather'

I don’t blame Payne for that first goal since the whole reason he was in the position is Zorko making the horrible decision to try a lace out kick near the corridor which unsurprisingly resulted in a turnover and heading straight back to goal.

Other times though he was probably one of the biggest strugglers to adapt to the wet. Mainly, he kept running at the ball with high speed while in front position and got caught out when it slipped past him. Needed to slow down and give himself the extra time to read the ball and not zoom last making it harder to collect.

I agree Payne shouldn’t be dropped, but it’s definitely something I hope he learns from.

Eric to me at the ground seemed to be one of the only players playing to the conditions. Most times when he attacked the ball he looked to be doing it with the mindset of getting it forward at all costs.

Not really anyone on the team played much worse than each other. Tackling was a biggest issue for me. Too many broken tackles which just made it ten times easier for them to gain territory without extra handballs to get out of congestion.

 

[Section 5]

I don’t blame Payne for that first goal since the whole reason he was in the position is Zorko making the horrible decision to try a lace out kick near the corridor which unsurprisingly resulted in a turnover and heading straight back to goal.

Other times though he was probably one of the biggest strugglers to adapt to the wet. Mainly, he kept running at the ball with high speed while in front position and got caught out when it slipped past him. Needed to slow down and give himself the extra time to read the ball and not zoom last making it harder to collect.

I agree Payne shouldn’t be dropped, but it’s definitely something I hope he learns from.

Eric to me at the ground seemed to be one of the only players playing to the conditions. Most times when he attacked the ball he looked to be doing it with the mindset of getting it forward at all costs.

Not really anyone on the team played much worse than each other. Tackling was a biggest issue for me. Too many broken tackles which just made it ten times easier for them to gain territory without extra handballs to get out of congestion.

Yes, a lot of broken tackles in the wet.
I suppose oil and water make it a bit harder for our guys.

 

[luthor]

we were leading 23 to 14 when Oscar went off in the first 10 minutes of the 2nd Q. Whilst it was not a night for KPF's, having our key forward ruck for the rest of the game had an effect on not just the hitouts in the middle but importantly our forward line structure. I believe we scored only two goals after we lost Oscar.

As for some of the whipping boys, Hippy, Payne and to a lesser extent Berry.

With Joe rucking, Geelong were able to team up on Eric. Yes that miss in the first Q that would have got us to 18 nil wasn't great but it was a wet night. Having watched the replay he was still competing for the ball but not the night to be taking big marks. I saw him bust through a number of attempted tackles on a couple of occasions.
Payne fumbled the ball a few times, (there were many players on both sides who did), obviously missing that mark in the first Q lead to a goal, and any error by a fullback gets amplified. He did however, stick like glue to Hawkins who did not have one shot at goal, had two goal assist and a total of 8 disposals (he also plays forward ruck so probably collect a few disposals there). Yes Payne got out muscled once in the centre square in a contest, but geez Hawkins has done that for his entire career.
Berry was working up and down the ground and put himself in a position where he got a few shots at goal and competed in at least one marking contest deep in defence (where he worked back to help out). If he is being judged for kicking the ball out three or four times, then there are many players from both teams that did that in the wet conditions.

Eric, Jack or Jarrod will not be dropped for the GWS game and nor should they. I don't see how they are responsible for the loss. IMO the loss of Oscar who was dominating a three game player (Conway) had a determinantal effect and to a lesser extent the 'Geelong weather'

Great summary.

Where is the "Like a lot" option?

 

[MSB ROYS]

Great summary.

Where is the "Like a lot" option?

Isn't it the Love option?

 

[T Rick]

Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

33

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

's dangerous trip on Clugga resulting in a free kick to Cameron, 50m penalty to Cameron and a goal to Cameron followed up by a fine to Cameron from the MRO....heaven forbid!

 

[MSB ROYS]

Jeremy Cameron's dangerous trip on Clugga resulting in a free kick to Cameron, 50m penalty to Cameron and a goal to Cameron followed up by a fine to Cameron from the MRO....heaven forbid!

I literally lost my mind when this happened.

Hugh was bumped before the ball probably was within 5 m (marginal), Cameron kicks him in the shin (free kick and report), follows with a rugby league ankle grab (free kick) and jumps on his his back (marginal). HTB paid to Cameron (very quick whistle but apparently Hugh dived on the ball LOL). Cameron pushes Hugh's head into the ground. Hugh struggles to get up and 50 meters paid for not giving the ball back.

This proved to be the decisive point of the game.

Edit: I just watched Cameron knocking out Andrews in 2018 on YouTube. This is one of the most sickening hits I have ever seen and yet seems to be have forgotten once he moved to Geelong.

 

[Denno]

McGrath is literally having a career best season so far so I don't know what you're talking about.

Not exactly a high bar.

 

[JasRulz63]

Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

33

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

will always be a pathetic sniper in my eyes after that Andrews incident. He's always been partial to a dog act/snipe.

 

[luthor]

Jeremy Cameron's dangerous trip on Clugga resulting in a free kick to Cameron, 50m penalty to Cameron and a goal to Cameron followed up by a fine to Cameron from the MRO....heaven forbid!

Don't forget the banging his head into the turf with that repetitive jumper punching action. Much more force, intent and malice than most of the dreaded "sling" tackles that you see.

There are three free kicks to Clug there.

The initial, willful trip, the tackle around the ankles and then the head banging.

The first and the third actions are dangerous.....where was the citing from the MRO?

How did TWO umpires that were in close proximity to the incident totally miss (or ignore) the obvious free kick(s) to McCluggage?

Absolute howler of a decision, made worse by the ridiculous 50 just to rub it in.

Never mind......I feel so much better now that Cameron has been "fined".

That'll teach him.

 

[KissKiss]

Lyons had 11 disposals in a half of football.

In the Second Half Midfield Dunkley had 11 disposals and Rayner had 7.

Rayner had 14 for the entire game.
Ah Chee 13 for the entire game.
Tunstill 11 for the entire game.
Gardiner 10 for the entire game.
Lohmann 9 for the entire game.
Starcevich 9 for the entire game.

Lyons was not the problem.

6 of Lyons disposals were in the last 7 or so minutes of the game - ie once the game was done and dusted. When it was on the line the guy who plays inside mid did nothing offensively or defensively. He was a significant problem for the whole time he was out there and was a failure as a sub and senior big body in a game that we got spanked in the middle and wet.

I'll give you Rayner and Ah Chee. Both were disappointing.

Tunstill in his first full game for a long time (that he well deserved getting a shot), I'll give a mulligan. He wasnt bad but wasnt the best.

But once again quoting raw disposal numbers for a tall forward (Gardiner), a small lockdown back (Starc) and a small forward in Lohman in comparison to an inside mid in the wet is completely stupid. The roles they are playing do not equate to big numbers and comparing them like that is nonsensical.

 

[On the quiet]

Awesome summation of the night.

yep i suppose I could have stated the obvious, that we at times overdid the handballing considering the conditions and Geelong just seemed to receive a couple of favourable decisions and were more competitive at the contest, ran harder and were more accurate on goal...but we all knew that

 

[twhowler]

Finally ready emotionally to post about that. just such a flat loss and i traveled to watch it!

THE GOOD

Answerth - just tried really hard and think he is improving each week

Zorko - what exceptional form he is in. Right now no reason he can't play on but the end can come quickly when you are 35.

Berry's Effort - tried his guts out all match and got involved

THE BAD

Berry's kicking - i know it was wet but it was both skill errors AND decision errors. so many turnovers and OOF.

Payne's skill errors - it was never made for him but when this bloke stuffs up it's just so stark.

Starcevich on dangerous players - i thought he was starting to have a good season. Got torn to shreds against stengle. There was a moment which was just like the GF in which starce left stengle (last time Hill) in about 50m of space. it was inexplicable. maybe answerth needs to be the go to man. Starce seems to want to ball chase too much

THE UGLY

Our tactics - has to be a combination of coaching and players. the wetter it got the more we seemed to chip. we kept trying to pinpoint to the pocket in attack, even when we had no ruckman for the ensuring boundary throw in (no point in this tactic if you are so unlikely to get a goal from the ball-in). we kept letting the cats get rebound goals through our defensive press. and there forward line all night was so spacious comparted to ours.

Failing to adapt - to the wet as per above. to the lost ruck - daniher was looking dangerous and needed to be forward, and dunkley was missed / stuffed at having to ruck. why not try gardiner in there? or hipwood? we just don't try things.

Second half umpiring - we got a good run early and i thought it would cost us - the play with mccluggage was just farcical. kick that and scores level 3qt, but....

The last quarter - all on the line and we just looked uninterested. we had so much to play for. geelong were going for a bonus win. we are just not there mentally this year

HAVING SAID ALL THAT....

The amount of rain made it impossible to evaluate us in this game. But we are so far back now. Big night at the tribunal. GWS will be majorly depleted if all of coniglio, taylor, greene and hogan are out. suspect one or both get off. just a vibe. If we lose this weekend and go 2-5, then i will start the

SILVER LINING THREAD - Every side other than the lions has missed the finals at lease once. We have been up for a long time. Maybe this is the down year and mental break the club and players need. Finish say 10th having had a relaxed end to the year. Get a mid 6 draw rather than top 6 draw. Get a full pre season for the first time since 2019. Coleman and Doedee back, Will Aschroft fully fit, Levi Ashcroft added. Hopefully at least one more top tier season out of Daniher, Neale, Cameron. Going down to go up? Seemed to work wonders for the dees in 2021, pies in 2022, port in 2023.

 

[Jim Stynes11]

Don't forget the banging his head into the turf with that repetitive jumper punching action. Much more force, intent and malice than most of the dreaded "sling" tackles that you see.

There are three free kicks to Clug there.

The initial, willful trip, the tackle around the ankles and then the head banging.

The first and the third actions are dangerous.....where was the citing from the MRO?

How did TWO umpires that were in close proximity to the incident totally miss (or ignore) the obvious free kick(s) to McCluggage?

Absolute howler of a decision, made worse by the ridiculous 50 just to rub it in.

Never mind......I feel so much better now that Cameron has been "fined".

That'll teach him.

On top of all that, I don't see how Clug had prior in the first place

 

[luthor]

On top of all that, I don't see how Clug had prior in the first place

Yep, that too.

One of the most bizarre umpiring calls I can remember.

They just got everything wrong

 

[twhowler]

Finally ready emotionally to post about that. just such a flat loss and i traveled to watch it!

THE GOOD

Answerth - just tried really hard and think he is improving each week

Zorko - what exceptional form he is in. Right now no reason he can't play on but the end can come quickly when you are 35.

Berry's Effort - tried his guts out all match and got involved

THE BAD

Berry's kicking - i know it was wet but it was both skill errors AND decision errors. so many turnovers and OOF.

Payne's skill errors - it was never made for him but when this bloke stuffs up it's just so stark.

Starcevich on dangerous players - i thought he was starting to have a good season. Got torn to shreds against stengle. There was a moment which was just like the GF in which starce left stengle (last time Hill) in about 50m of space. it was inexplicable. maybe answerth needs to be the go to man. Starce seems to want to ball chase too much

THE UGLY

Our tactics - has to be a combination of coaching and players. the wetter it got the more we seemed to chip. we kept trying to pinpoint to the pocket in attack, even when we had no ruckman for the ensuring boundary throw in (no point in this tactic if you are so unlikely to get a goal from the ball-in). we kept letting the cats get rebound goals through our defensive press. and there forward line all night was so spacious comparted to ours.

Failing to adapt - to the wet as per above. to the lost ruck - daniher was looking dangerous and needed to be forward, and dunkley was missed / stuffed at having to ruck. why not try gardiner in there? or hipwood? we just don't try things.

Second half umpiring - we got a good run early and i thought it would cost us - the play with mccluggage was just farcical. kick that and scores level 3qt, but....

The last quarter - all on the line and we just looked uninterested. we had so much to play for. geelong were going for a bonus win. we are just not there mentally this year

HAVING SAID ALL THAT....

The amount of rain made it impossible to evaluate us in this game. But we are so far back now. Big night at the tribunal. GWS will be majorly depleted if all of coniglio, taylor, greene and hogan are out. suspect one or both get off. just a vibe. If we lose this weekend and go 2-5, then i will start the

SILVER LINING THREAD - Every side other than the lions has missed the finals at lease once. We have been up for a long time. Maybe this is the down year and mental break the club and players need. Finish say 10th having had a relaxed end to the year. Get a mid 6 draw rather than top 6 draw. Get a full pre season for the first time since 2019. Coleman and Doedee back, Will Aschroft fully fit, Levi Ashcroft added. Hopefully at least one more top tier season out of Daniher, Neale, Cameron. Going down to go up? Seemed to work wonders for the dees in 2021, pies in 2022, port in 2023.

I should have added Tackling to the ugly. we were out-tackled all night. most disappointing part of it all.

 

[p4p1]

I still don’t get why we don’t train some nights between 730 - 1030 at night when we actually play games - appreciate most club’s probably don’t- but why not when you play so many games in that time slot

Agree with this. I'm sure sport science says you don't have to but my understanding of the Gabba is it gets pretty dewy etc and conditions are a bit different at night.

 

[p4p1]

Mind boggling miss by the umpires and nil media comment or exposure. It was actually a very dangerous trip that could have caused serious injury.

Surely someone who was at the game can answer but was the vision at the ground impaired with how it was bucketing down? Much easier to see on TV with the cameras being so good now than on a rainy night game.

 

[p4p1]

The amount of rain made it impossible to evaluate us in this game. But we are so far back now. Big night at the tribunal. GWS will be majorly depleted if all of coniglio, taylor, greene and hogan are out. suspect one or both get off. just a vibe. If we lose this weekend and go 2-5, then i will start the

Cannot see how Hogan who at the very least attempted to punch another player twice or Green who after jumping made no attempt to look like he was taking a mark can get off. It's the tribunal so anything can happen.

 

[p4p1]

On top of all that, I don't see how Clug had prior in the first place

I think he was called for diving on it after he was knocked down and fell onto the ball.

 

[twhowler]

Surely someone who was at the game can answer but was the vision at the ground impaired with how it was bucketing down? Much easier to see on TV with the cameras being so good now than on a rainy night game.

every supporter in bay 227 saw it perfectly well from the wrong side. with the 50m added on it was the worst 10 seconds i have ever seen an umpire pull off

 

[luthor]

Surely someone who was at the game can answer but was the vision at the ground impaired with how it was bucketing down? Much easier to see on TV with the cameras being so good now than on a rainy night game.

I think you'd need a white cane not to see it.

I could see it sitting in the stand on the other side of the ground and so could thousands of others around the place.

How two umpires within a few metres of the incident couldn't "see" what took place had nothing to do with the weather.

Appalling

 

[Ceebee]

Jeremy Cameron will always be a pathetic sniper in my eyes after that Andrews incident. He's always been partial to a dog act/snipe.

Yep, I have never forgotten that incident , I actually didn’t think Harris would get up after it . Was sickening and I have disliked him intensely ever since .
Worse now he plays for Geelong .