Tom Hawkins 350 games - What is his standing in the game?

[JackFlash]

A great player no doubt about it, but time's up. Geelong will get sentimental about it all, but he needs to retire immediately. He's well and truly cooked, as are al of others at Geelong

 

[Lunchtime]

Sorry I went to check. 46+, 12 seasons straight.

I guess that makes your opinion right and my opinion wrong.

Well I checked on the net first.

 

[Lunchtime]

Sorry I went to check. 46+, 12 seasons straight.

I guess that makes your opinion right and my opinion wrong.

And surely you're being a tad generous....I mean why make it 46+?? 50+ is better. 50 is the half century mark.

 

[Lunchtime]

You throw Hawkins back in time in his peak he would easily kick 100+ goals a season (in the 80's and 90's)

The same applies to Kennedy, Franklin and Riewoldt - they'd kick a lot more goals in the 1980s and 1990s as well.

 

[RUNVS]

The same applies to Kennedy, Franklin and Riewoldt - they'd kick a lot more goals in the 1980s and 1990s as well.

This was a table made for Buddy's 1000th goal but it is still relevant here

Buddy Franklin is a footy outlier and here's the data that proves it

An analysis of Lance Franklin's goal kicking reveals how he stacks up against the thousands of other players who have take the field in league football's history.

www.abc.net.au

Hawkins has kicked another 70 or so goals since then though, so adjusted he could be close to 900 goals now.

 

[Lunchtime]

This was a table made for Buddy's 1000th goal but it is still relevant here

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Buddy Franklin is a footy outlier and here's the data that proves it

An analysis of Lance Franklin's goal kicking reveals how he stacks up against the thousands of other players who have take the field in league football's history.

www.abc.net.au

Hawkins has kicked another 70 or so goals since then though, so adjusted he could be close to 900 goals now.

Going by that table, where are Kennedy are Riewoldt situated?

 

[FrustratedTiger]

I agree. The same applies to Kennedy, Franklin and Riewoldt - they'd kick a lot more goals in the Lockett/Dunstall era. Just how many is anyone's guess.

Hawkins is more like the Dunstall/Lockett type of forward though. I reckon he'd have been huge if he played in the 90s. Kennedy maybe too. Jack & Buddy were more suited to the modern game

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

He’ll accidentally post in the wrong No Opposition forum again soon

That was gold!

 

[Lunchtime]

Hawkins is more like the Dunstall/Lockett type of forward though. I reckon he'd have been huge if he played in the 90s. Kennedy maybe too. Jack & Buddy were more suited to the modern game

I'm just saying as a general point that Hawkins, Riewoldt, Franklin and Kennedy would of kicked more goals in the 1980s/1990s.

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

I’m just saying as a general point that Jack Riewoldt must be mentioned at least as many times as Tom Hawkins

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Tom Hawkins

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

is mentioned…
……in a Tom Hawkins

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Tom Hawkins

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

thread.

Am I doing it right Falcon?

 

[Captain_Bender]

Most Times Kicking 50+ Goals in Season

Tony Lockett: 14x (18 seasons)
Gordon Coventry: 13x (18 seasons)
Lance Franklin: 13x (18 seasons)
Jason Dunstall: 12x (14 seasons)
Gary Ablett Snr: 11x (14 seasons)
Doug Wade: 11x (15 seasons)
Stephen Kernahan: 10x (12 seasons)
Matthew Lloyd: 10x (15 seasons)
Leigh Matthews: 10 (17 seasons)
Jack Titus: 10x (18 seasons)
Jack Riewoldt: 9x (17 seasons)
Matthew Richardson: 8x (17 seasons)
Tom Hawkins: 8x (18 seasons)

Hawkins the only player out of them to never kick 10 goals in a game, or 70 goals in a season

 

[Chief]

Tom Hawkins

26

Tom Hawkins

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

is set to play his 356th game for the Geelong Cats, passing Joel Selwood as the games record-holder for the club.

Mitch Duncan and Tom Hawkins

26

Tom Hawkins

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

(Geelong Cats) are set to play their 261st game together, passing Joel Selwood and Harry Taylor in third for games played together as teammates for the club.

Tom Hawkins

26

Tom Hawkins

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

(Geelong Cats) requires nine goals to equal Matthew Richardson

Matthew Richardson

Age

51

Ht

195cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.0

4star

K

10.9

4star

HB

3.1

3star

M

8.0

5star

T

0.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

15.0

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

7.8

5star

T

0.8

3star

in 12th on he VFL/AFL goal-kicking list. Hawkins is currently on 791 goals.

 

[The Gong]

His record is amazing, no argument. I guess from an outside perspective Geelong has had some real stars during Hawkins tenure so there hasn't been the frenzied media attention on him that you get with other similar key forwards. He seems to be a pretty unassuming guy as well.

 

[FootyLad0]

Hawkins the only player out of them to never kick 10 goals in a game, or 70 goals in a season

Look how many goal assists he has.
Probably most unselfish key forward ever.

Could easily have kicked bags multiple times but always did the team thing, at times to a fault.

 

[Pancakes]

With how he is currently going, he might have to play every game till the end of next season to pass Richo on the goal kicking list.

 

[RUNVS]

With how he is currently going, he might have to play every game till the end of next season to pass Richo on the goal kicking list.

All he needs is to come up against a team like Richmond or North who basically have no defence and that should pump the numbers up somewhat.

 

[The 747]

His record is amazing, no argument. I guess from an outside perspective Geelong has had some real stars during Hawkins tenure so there hasn't been the frenzied media attention on him that you get with other similar key forwards. He seems to be a pretty unassuming guy as well.

He's been more of a consistent forward threat than someone who goes wild and kicks six plus. But he's been a player that we have been able to build our forward structure around for more than a decade (in a side that usually plays finals) which is a pretty important aspect.

 

[Lunchtime]

Did Tom pull up a bit sore during the game, probably final few minutes of the final quarter? Or is he ok?

 

[Atomboy]

Did Tom pull up a bit sore during the game, probably final few minutes of the final quarter? Or is he ok?

He’s ok.

Pushed a bloke out of the way walking down the race post match and got awarded the mark.

 

[Lunchtime]

Scores in 2024 so far for Hawkins:

1.1
4.0
4.1
0.1
0.0
0.1
0.1
1.0
2.1
2.0
1.2
0.0

Five goalless games too (out of 12) in 2024. 55th time in his career he was goalless.

 

[Del165198]

That foot injury looked like something just snapped/popped under him. Doesn't seem like something you get back from in a couple of weeks.

Will get a farewell game in sleepy hollow even on one leg though

 

[Muddiemoose]

That foot injury looked like something just snapped/popped under him. Doesn't seem like something you get back from in a couple of weeks.

Will get a farewell game in sleepy hollow even on one leg though

Yeah didn’t look good at all, read something earlier that he had foot surgery during the pre season or something

Love to hate the cats and Hawkins but it would be a shame if the cats fans don’t get to give him a proper send off

 

[Cdog71]

I think he’s a generational player, played his entire career as that classic FF and I don’t think there was another fwd that was better at that “bear in the square” ff’d during his career.
I don’t put as much stock in the goal assist numbers as some here.
When you look at his game winning percentage compared to other forwards he’s probably had more opportunity than all other forwards during his career, I couldn’t be bothered working out the numbers for shots on goal and team score during his career compared to Reiwoldt or Kennedy but I’d expect it to be far and away higher with how dominant Geelong have been over his career.
But having said that I doubt there’s another forward who’d have as many goals from a greater than 45 degree angle in the right hand pocket.
He’s a great player.

 

[Lunchtime]

Hawkins standing somewhat depends on how you value longevity. Has played the most games out of any tall forward in the top 100 all-time goals list but career stats get massively inflated due to tenure. Per-game averages aren't overly compelling.

For me, he is not in the Lockett, Dunstall, Ablett snr god tier. He's also not in the next tier either with Lloyd, Richardson, Carey.

Jack Riewoldt & Jarryd Roughead are very relevant comparisons. One-club players with long tenure. Multiple flags. Some individual recognition. But never considered the best player on their team or anywhere near it.

Probably makes the Hall of Fame but is likely to be forgotten about post-retirement. I doubt there will ever be a Hawkins stand at Kardinia Park.

Goal average per game for Hawkins is now at 2.21, goalless against Carlton last night (injured in 3rd quarter). Goalless for 5th time this season and overall goalless for 55th time in career.

 

[SSSSSS]

I think he and Tex might be the last big forward of their kind.

The newer gen seem to be leaner types who can get up the ground more.

End of an era really.