Review Elimination Final, 2024 - Brisbane Lions vs. Carlton

[Grasshopper17]

Was really hoping the sub would be scrapped this year and the bench extended to 5 so we could play a 2nd ruck

I think we'll see teams start out playing 2 rucks but then realise more and more they are better off with an extra runner as the 5th player. That's my hunch.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I think we'll see teams start out playing 2 rucks but then realise more and more they are better off with an extra runner as the 5th player. That's my hunch.

The trouble with that is most teams 8th or 9th mid is a long drop from even a fatigued first string mid

 

[Grasshopper17]

The trouble with that is most teams 8th or 9th mid is a long drop from even a fatigued first string mid

No argument with that. But I think more and more we're seeing, particularly looking at Hawthorn and Geelong, success in an era of draft/salary cap equalisation is more about foot soldiers able to carry out their part of whatever overall strategy is put in place, over raw talent per se.

 

[M Malice]

No argument with that. But I think more and more we're seeing, particularly looking at Hawthorn and Geelong, success in an era of draft/salary cap equalisation is more about foot soldiers able to carry out their part of whatever overall strategy is put in place, over raw talent per se.

Quick smalls seem to be the dominant force in finals, the Giants have a great troop of them, here's hoping Charlie, Kai and Zac fire up for us Saturday night.

 

[Section 5]

I like that Oscar got back to help out in defense v Blues even though we had the game under control early on.
No disposals in defense against GWS. I think he will have to change that a bit

 

[Grasshopper17]

I like that Oscar got back to help out in defense v Blues even though we had the game under control early on.
No disposals in defense against GWS. I think he will have to change that a bit


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I seem to recall against GWS we got a centre bounce free kick, he bolted forward, took a towering contested mark and kicked a goal. That was the game right? First quarter? I guess he was given instructions to get dangerous.

I don't mind whether the tactic is for him to get forward or get back. Whatever it is I just want to see him be able to see it through for 4 quarters or as close to as possible.

Do you have any breakdown there quarter by quarter?

 

[KissKiss]

I feel like against GWS he got confused by Keefe taking an unorthodox approach to the ruck contests for a bunch of times and Oscar looked like he didnt know how to adjust. Once he was out of his comfort zone against a smaller body he looks like he hasnt been coached as well on what to do (confusion on whether to jump or body or grab the ball). That just flows on to the rest of the team as described above.

 

[Grasshopper17]

I feel like against GWS he got confused by Keefe taking an unorthodox approach to the ruck contests for a bunch of times and Oscar looked like he didnt know how to adjust. Once he was out of his comfort zone against a smaller body he looks like he hasnt been coached as well on what to do (confusion on whether to jump or body or grab the ball). That just flows on to the rest of the team as described above.

This makes sense. So it's partly on him, but partly coaching. We had all of half time to figure this out. I know Huddo is coaching our VFL team now... Is he still our AFL ruck coach too? Or does Oscar simply go to the midfield group at half time with Cam Bruce?

 

[Whatamark]

hmmmm correlation ≠ causation. OTOH perhaps Big O's performance mirrors that of his midfield?

 

[Dalions]

I will say that when Oscar plays well we play well.
As far as big the picture goes, what that means
He won’t get things all his way this week. Keiran Briggs is a pretty good ruck.

 

[Section 5]

I seem to recall against GWS we got a centre bounce free kick, he bolted forward, took a towering contested mark and kicked a goal. That was the game right? First quarter? I guess he was given instructions to get dangerous.

I don't mind whether the tactic is for him to get forward or get back. Whatever it is I just want to see him be able to see it through for 4 quarters or as close to as possible.

Do you have any breakdown there quarter by quarter?

He did kick one goal in the 1st quarter v Giants. No goals v Blues
Total hit outs GWS 39 Blues 30

Opposition	Quarter	Disposals Forward	Disposals Between Arcs	Disposals Center Square	Disposals Defense	Hit Outs	Tackles	Marks
Giants R22	First	3	2	0	0	12	0	2
	Second	1	0	1	0	10	0	0
	Third	1	0	0	0	6	0	0
	Fourth	0	0	2	0	11	0	0
Blues EF	First	0	1	1	2	10	1	2
	Second	0	0	2	1	8	4	0
	Third	0	2	0	1	6	2	0
	Fourth	1	2	1	0	6	0	2

 

[Grasshopper17]

He did kick one goal in the 1st quarter v Giants. No goals v Blues

Opposition	Quarter	Disposals Forward	Disposals Between Arcs	Disposals Center Square	Disposals Defense	Hit Outs	Tackles	Marks
Giants R22	First	3	2	0	0	12	0	2
	Second	1	0	1	0	10	0	0
	Third	1	0	0	0	6	0	0
	Fourth	0	0	2	0	11	0	0
Blues EF	First	0	1	1	2	10	1	2
	Second	0	0	2	1	8	4	0
	Third	0	2	0	1	6	2	0
	Fourth	1	2	1	0	6	0	2

I sense a mild trend there but I guess we'd need to see some averages over a longer period. Cheers.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Another lazy goal kicking article from Fish

The 10 pressure-cooker misses that could worry Lions fans

Brisbane's misses in front of goal this season are well-documented, but it's when the misses come that is most concerning

www.afl.com.au

 

[Nathan Barley]

So we don’t have goalkicking issues and they have impacted results; could’ve fooled me.

Huh?

 

[Sproj]

Just watching the replay, that first quarter, not a fan of Kai almost body slamming Lachie's head in to the turf upon goal celebration haha