List Mgmt. Jack Martin officially joins Geelong as a DFA

[Gunf]

Still interested to see if we play him as a forward or do we have a specific role in mind for him..

I could easily see him partnering with Humphries as a HBF as he has really good kicking skills and sense.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Ahhh Jack Martin

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Jack Martin

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

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My favourite pick up thus far... albeit the draft is yet to come.
Plays taller than people think.
Sticky hands.
Plays smaller than people think.
Deceptive speed which i will call more elusive than quick.
Is stronger and quicker than people think.
Has a skillset that can't be taught.
Thinking he'll be part of a forward line that has OH and he as the alternate marking foils for Neale and Jezza.
One of those players that are hard to defend.
Big fellas are too slow small fellas are too short.
Fingers crossed our medicos can keep him on the park.
If so he will be a GEM of a pick up.

 

[My Tilly]

Ahhh Jack Martin!
My favourite pick up thus far... albeit the draft is yet to come.
Plays taller than people think.
Sticky hands.
Plays smaller than people think.
Deceptive speed which i will call more elusive than quick.
Is stronger and quicker than people think.
Has a skillset that can't be taught.
Thinking he'll be part of a forward line that has OH and he as the alternate marking foils for Neale and Jezza.
One of those players that are hard to defend.
Big fellas are too slow small fellas are too short.
Fingers crossed our medicos can keep him on the park.
If so he will be a GEM of a pick up.

If we get him fit he's exactly the kind of player to take us over the preliminary final hump. We needed some indivdual brilliance in the final 10 minutes against Brisbane. Something Martin has plenty of.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Ahhh Jack Martin!
My favourite pick up thus far... albeit the draft is yet to come.
Plays taller than people think.
Sticky hands.
Plays smaller than people think.
Deceptive speed which i will call more elusive than quick.
Is stronger and quicker than people think.
Has a skillset that can't be taught.
Thinking he'll be part of a forward line that has OH and he as the alternate marking foils for Neale and Jezza.
One of those players that are hard to defend.
Big fellas are too slow small fellas are too short.
Fingers crossed our medicos can keep him on the park.
If so he will be a GEM of a pick up.

He also is a willing tackler... So that tells me he is a team player and isn't just out here trying to get cheapies.

 

[And_ROOS]

Hope we have physios with some ideas in mind, his body is constantly an issue and the worst thing would be for Martin to have a great season but break down in September.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Hope we have physios with some ideas in mind, his body is constantly an issue and the worst thing would be for Martin to have a great season but break down in September.

We could always just go the other way. Have him do SFA all year and have a game breaking final.

The likely reality is he's going to be injured at some point. He just doesn't play full seasons, and that's unlikely to just suddenly change at 30.

Some of those might be completely out of his control (like a contact injury)c but if it's mainly a workload thing that his body can only handle 3 months of consecutive football, I'd prefer us to manage him for when it matters.

We'll survive during the H&A season with our depth at his position regardless, but he could be important in the second half of the year.

 

[Commando]

That’s a very lazy comparison.

How is it similar to Yarran? Because they changed positions? Half the players in the league have changed positions since they were a junior.

Surely there is a more appropriate comparison, ie. an actual midfielder who moved forward.

Yarran was a competent AFL forward before being shifted back
Was very good off half back for a while too

 

[thecatattack]

Thought I'd give this a quick bump.

Has only played 10 games, but really cemented himself as best 23 in those games.

Averaging his most touches a game since 2019 at 15 a game. Career high for marks at 7 a game. To go with a goal a game, and a couple of tackles a game. Shown he can play everywhere, forward when needed and in defense when needed.

Great pickup as a DFA and revitalised his career quickly.

 

[Seeds]

Im still not convinced yet. Seems to make critical mistakes during key plays.

Hope im wrong and start seeing what everyone else sees.

 

[BORIS332]

Thought I'd give this a quick bump.

Has only played 10 games, but really cemented himself as best 23 in those games.

Averaging his most touches a game since 2019 at 15 a game. Career high for marks at 7 a game. To go with a goal a game, and a couple of tackles a game. Shown he can play everywhere, forward when needed and in defense when needed.

Great pickup as a DFA and revitalised his career quickly.

I think it was maybe Lingy on the club podcast that said his football smarts are highly rated at the club, and our forwards coach (Rahilly?) was desperate to have him up forward.

 

[iameviljez]

Im still not convinced yet. Seems to make critical mistakes during key plays.

Hope im wrong and start seeing what everyone else sees.

I'm not convinced that it's a forever thing, but he has found a way to find the footy consistently while being up in the forward fifty - no easy thing.

 

[Willo_]

Talent was never an issue, it was continuity and staying on the park.
Considering we gave up nothing for him it is working out well so far, he is only needing to be the 22nd player on the ground to be a win and be better than the alternatives and I think he is comfortably doing that.
Let's hope he has a few big games left in him this year as being clean and good with the ball in big moments could be the difference between just playing finals and a flag

 

[goyoucatters]

Talent was never an issue, it was continuity and staying on the park.
Considering we gave up nothing for him it is working out well so far, he is only needing to be the 22nd player on the ground to be a win and be better than the alternatives and I think he is comfortably doing that.
Let's hope he has a few big games left in him this year as being clean and good with the ball in big moments could be the difference between just playing finals and a flag

I agree with all of this. I also believe we need to give plenty of credit to Martin as well. It would have been easy for him to pack it in, given how much he had struggled to get on the park over recent years. So to see him do what must have amounted to a mountain of work to get his body in good enough shape to play consistently is a huge achievement. Even to persevere through the first part of this year when it still wasn't working out for him was an endorsement of his resilience and will to keep going.

So he truly deserves every game he's playing in the ones right now, and hopefully brings plenty to the table through this finals series as well.

#effortisoptional
#classispermanent

 

[Mr Meow]

Im still not convinced yet. Seems to make critical mistakes during key plays.

Hope im wrong and start seeing what everyone else sees.

This is a hell of a take.

On The Couch showed that per 100 minutes, Martin is averaging:

19.3 disposals
7.1 score involvements
1.3 goals
1.3 score assists

None of that guarantees he will star in finals, but it's a bit baffling not to have noticed his impact during the H&A season.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

This is a hell of a take.

On The Couch showed that per 100 minutes, Martin is averaging:

19.3 disposals
7.1 score involvements
1.3 goals
1.3 score assists

None of that guarantees he will star in finals, but it's a bit baffling not to have noticed his impact during the H&A season.

Not only are those 100 minutes stats highly impressive Mr Meow: but he has done that with missing so much football, so to be sure it really is a high impressive performance with still an outside possibility of Jack taking his game to a even higher level coz his has the 'natural ability' to do so (always been a big fan of him)..... but regardless Mr Meow: Jack 'for peanuts' has been an incredible get for the Cats and hopefully in the whitewash of Ollie Henry being demoted to the ressies that Ollie can work his arse off during the off-season and take his 'overall game' to another level and if that happens it's a win, win all around and GO CATS !!!

 

[Hamingja]

For me he is definitely one that you can't judge on stats.

Down back he was getting a lot of the ball but was getting burned hardcore by his direct opponent.

Then since he has moved forward, he gets less of the ball by nature of the position, but has been miles better IMO.

Up forward he is a September wildcard.

Down back he would be a September ticking time bomb.

Hopefully he stays forward.

 

[iameviljez]

Talent was never an issue, it was continuity and staying on the park.

And how much damage the injuries had done. Guys like Nakia Cockatoo were a shadow of their former selves by their mid to late 20s.

 

[Seeds]

This is a hell of a take.

On The Couch showed that per 100 minutes, Martin is averaging:

19.3 disposals
7.1 score involvements
1.3 goals
1.3 score assists

None of that guarantees he will star in finals, but it's a bit baffling not to have noticed his impact during the H&A season.

What does per 100 mins mean? Are those stats even great with the per 100 min constraint given? Stats dont account for critical errors during big plays nor how those possessions were obtained. Seems to lack the x factor of stengle or dempsey and the grunt of mannagh. Is finding some ball which is good though. Not saying he is playing bad. Just dont get kudos right now.

 

[Tony Barber]

Im still not convinced yet. Seems to make critical mistakes during key plays.

Hope im wrong and start seeing what everyone else sees.

I tip my hat to the man for accepting the slow process that Geelong put him through.
It's bearing fruit.

 

[Tony Barber]

What does per 100 mins mean? Are those stats even great with the per 100 min constraint given? Stats dont account for critical errors during big plays nor how those possessions were obtained. Seems to lack the x factor of stengle or dempsey and the grunt of mannagh. Is finding some ball which is good though. Not saying he is playing bad. Just dont get kudos right now.

What critical errors? Post just one.

And why does he need to be better than Stengel, Dempsey, or Mannagh?

 

[Seeds]

What critical errors? Post just one.

And why does he need to be better than Stengel, Dempsey, or Mannagh?

Who said he needed to be better?

Im not watching a replay of games to go find them just to post on the internet. Gees what a waste of time. Im not asking you to agree with me. Its just my view from watching the games.

 

[cats_09]

What does per 100 mins mean? Are those stats even great with the per 100 min constraint given? Stats dont account for critical errors during big plays nor how those possessions were obtained. Seems to lack the x factor of stengle or dempsey and the grunt of mannagh. Is finding some ball which is good though. Not saying he is playing bad. Just dont get kudos right now.

Have you actually watched Martin in the seniors - especially since he came on as the sub against Port?

His third quarter against Port showed the exact X-Factor you're claiming he lacks, and how he can be a dangerous player up forward in a short period of time & with limited possessions

Against Sydney he again hit the scoreboard while also showing he can be involved in link up play along the wings - he was able to present as a marking target, giving us options other than just Neale, Dangerfield etc as that more contested kick option


You've been pretty negative on him over recent times, especially since the Essendon clash when he was a late out for management purposes but you went straight down the path of "he's injured again" which clearly wasn't the case as he played the next week


Not sure exactly what it is you're expecting from Martin, but would seem that whatever it is that those expectations are almost in the too hard to achieve basket

 

[Tony Barber]

Who said he needed to be better?

Im not watching a replay of games to go find them just to post on the internet. Gees what a waste of time. Im not asking you to agree with me. Its just my view from watching the games.

I appreciate you replying.
I'm really surprised that you didn't choose to argue that you're a dead set idiot though.

Enjoy Friday night.

 

[Catman]

For me he is definitely one that you can't judge on stats.

Down back he was getting a lot of the ball but was getting burned hardcore by his direct opponent.

Then since he has moved forward, he gets less of the ball by nature of the position, but has been miles better IMO.

Up forward he is a September wildcard.

Down back he would be a September ticking time bomb.

Hopefully he stays forward.

There's little doubt that when he returned playing that role was to ease him back into senior footy. Get him a few games to build fitness and find some touch and then move him to where he's more comfortable.

We've lost two games since he's been in the side. Even in the loss to Brisbane he had 21 touches in only his third game for us, while he was rather ineffective in the loss to GWS. But we've seen particularly over the last month or so is his goal scoring ability (averaging a goal a game) and his noticeable increase in his work rate in that linkup role across the midfield, where he's had 55 score involvements for the year, almost more than he had in any season at Carlton.

Finals are probably the thing they had in mind when we signed him. Can he repay the favour?

 

[Hamingja]

What critical errors? Post just one.

If you have Kayo go back and watch the Brisbane match. After the Ashcroft goal they show behind the goals footage of how he became free. Genuinely the worst piece of defending I have seen from a Geelong player.