Unsolved The Family Murders * BREAKING! Von Einem is dead

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed? Reportedly deceased.

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed

LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella

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[squawk]

Just my own thoughts, but Diamond could be one of four possibilities:
1. He is the same person who rang the Police about the disappearance of RK tipping them off about a car of interest and two persons of interest. That tipster was ultimately charged with something like making a false report. The thing is the two people and the car he brought forward were - at the very least - loosely connected to the “Family”. And at least one is still alive now. Yet sadly (?), the tipster was found guilty and he took his own life a few years later.
2. Diamond was one of the persons of interest mentioned above who - having had enquiries made about them after the tip-off - made their own phone calls to 5DN to send the police off on another line of inquiry in a very public way. And mentioning WA plays in to point 3 below, plus mentioning WA could have been designed to “finger” the caller in point one and throw police off the trail by asserting two WA men were involved.
3. One of the inner crew connected to the Family, moved to WA around this time. Diamond could have been him. He moved away because he wanted out.
4. Diamond was genuinely a completely different person to any of the three possibilities mentioned above.

 

[squawk]

Good point - they've definitely flagged off the dirt track leading to that suspected caravan area.

Can anyone think of a good reason why the police might have taken so long and the caravan and syringes were all packed up (after the caravan was apparently empty) while the people who discovered the body waited? The scenario doesn't lend itself to any non-conspiracy trains of thought. The police that did attend the scene in the photos above though seem to be interested in the caravan zone.

I think Holmes had to go somewhere on foot (a pub?) to ring the police. Those who remained may not have stayed proximate to the body but may have (understandably) put distance between themselves and the body, especially if children were still there. They could have moved up the road to the intersection to “flag down” the first police car. Which is ultimately what happened by Mr Holmes himself.
So while everyone moved “out of sight”, others approached from say, the opposite direction?

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Hi all - I have been sent some photos of Mr.B. If anybody would like to message me to see them or tell me I’ve got the wrong name, please do.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Update - the person who sent me this information has since cleared up they were guessing and made a mistake. Please excuse me.

 

[AdelaideGT]

Just my own thoughts

That's what this whole thread is.

Very little evidence. Just a whole bunch of amateurs dreaming up stuff 40 years after the event.

 

[Zebo]

So is the daughter saying that they saw a caravan that may have been at the site for at least 2 weeks (since RK had died around 2 weeks prior) on a road that was used daily by local residents (who were very suspicious of any non-residential activity in that area and had plenty to say to the media post-discovery) and nightly by dodgy types, lovers etc etc to the extent that it was regularly patrolled by local police? A cover up of the existence of such a caravan in that location would have required a lot of people to stay silent, not just a single witness.

 

[Paula Terry]

Does anyone know who the caravan was last registered to

We don't even know for certain the caravan existed. It was mentioned by the guy who found Richard Kelvin's body (no obvious reason for him to make stuff up but potentially...) and Diamond, the Trevor Ford radio informant who seemed to talk about two nutters using the caravan.

The guy who found Kelvin's body and the alleged caravan has passed on but either way I doubt he would have thought to write down the plates on the caravan because he would have had the body of a dead person on his mind.

The mind boggles that this wasn't sorted back then ffs. The bloke who found the body did see it and apparently saw syringes etc everywhere so he got his family out. What is really interesting here is the fact the cops did nothing for hours after they were told about RK's body. Anyone here know much about the talkback caller that offered this up as well?

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

So is the daughter saying that they saw a caravan that may have been at the site for at least 2 weeks (since RK had died around 2 weeks prior) on a road that was used daily by local residents (who were very suspicious of any non-residential activity in that area and had plenty to say to the media post-discovery) and nightly by dodgy types, lovers etc etc to the extent that it was regularly patrolled by local police? A cover up of the existence of such a caravan in that location would have required a lot of people to stay silent, not just a single witness.

the caravan would have had to have been off the road, up in that little nook on MG1 path but yes, still should have been fairly visible by the locals as well as park rangers who wouldn't allow a caravan to stay in a non-caravan park area. The story seems a little too big to be true but also raises the question as to why this guy would make it up??

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

That's what this whole thread is.

Very little evidence. Just a whole bunch of amateurs dreaming up stuff 40 years after the event.

 

[Paula Terry]

the caravan would have had to have been off the road, up in that little nook on MG1 path but yes, still should have been fairly visible by the locals as well as park rangers who wouldn't allow a caravan to stay in a non-caravan park area. The story seems a little too big to be true but also raises the question as to why this guy would make it up

the caravan would have had to have been off the road, up in that little nook on MG1 path but yes, still should have been fairly visible by the locals as well as park rangers who wouldn't allow a caravan to stay in a non-caravan park area. The story seems a little too big to be true but also raises the question as to why this guy would make it up??

From all reports the bloke reckons it was concealed at the time. How well not sure. Crazy to think someone was calling a radio station and offered them up clues as to where the body and the van were too.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

From all reports the bloke reckons it was concealed at the time. How well not sure. Crazy to think someone was calling a radio station and offered them up clues as to where the body and the van were too.

considering (based on the photos of the time) the roadside there didn't have the trees on either side of the road like it does now and that the scrub there isn't really a good height for hiding caravans I can't see how they could have hidden it very effectively.

 

[diorama]

considering (based on the photos of the time) the roadside there didn't have the trees on either side of the road like it does now and that the scrub there isn't really a good height for hiding caravans I can't see how they could have hidden it very effectively.

It could be a problem with still photography. This angle gives an entirely different impression.

 

[squawk]

It could be a problem with still photography. This angle gives an entirely different impression.

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that seems more like a staging point ?

 

[Wombat64]

Tony Grove was his name and Cox was the third amigo in that building. I had issues with several of those religious bastards. Excuse the language but they got away with far too much.

I had my final interview prior to commencing Year 7 at PGS in 1975. Von Einem was there then. He hated me on site. He & Hoppy Grove were a matching set of turds. In my time there they taught woodwork & plastics to students from Year 6 to Year 9. I cannot recall if Year 10 students had Tech Studies. Both were still there when I was paroled at the completion of Year 12 in 1981.

I had Cox for pottery & leatherwork. I remember him as being a good guy.

Bowden, the art teacher, was based in the same building. He was another piece of work. He was very chummy with Von Einem & Grove. My memory is that Cox kept a bit of distance from those 3.

 

[diorama]

that seems more like a staging point ?

The Daily Telegraph's caption was: "The jury visits spot where Richard Kelvin’s body was found, northeast of Adelaide." (Debi Marshall interview: Interview with a monster: The City of Corpses murders) If you use google maps in 3D (Ctrl - mouse move), it flattens the trees and nearby houses because it's outside the city area where they've got full 3D data, but the localised height differences in hills/gullies/mountains gives some extra perspective.

 

[squawk]

The Daily Telegraph's caption was: "The jury visits spot where Richard Kelvin’s body was found, northeast of Adelaide." (Debi Marshall interview: Interview with a monster: The City of Corpses murders) If you use google maps in 3D (Ctrl - mouse move), it flattens the trees and nearby houses because it's outside the city area where they've got full 3D data, but the localised height differences in hills/gullies/mountains gives some extra perspective.

great - it was a staging point but in context it fits now. I couldn’t work out who the group was but it fits that it was the jury judging by the disparate age profiles, clothing etc. I couldn’t work out tell they weren’t “official” types!

 

[squawk]

If you enter 296 Airstrip Road on Maps and go to street view you can see the dam. If you then rotate street view back to a diagonal angle North East of the dam you get this image. Those spinifex type grasses look very similar to the ones in the jury photo.

 

[Paula Terry]

considering (based on the photos of the time) the roadside there didn't have the trees on either side of the road like it does now and that the scrub there isn't really a good height for hiding caravans I can't see how they could have hidden it very effectively.

Who knows but

I had my final interview prior to commencing Year 7 at PGS in 1975. Von Einem was there then. He hated me on site. He & Hoppy Grove were a matching set of turds. In my time there they taught woodwork & plastics to students from Year 6 to Year 9. I cannot recall if Year 10 students had Tech Studies. Both were still there when I was paroled at the completion of Year 12 in 1981.

I had Cox for pottery & leatherwork. I remember him as being a good guy.

Bowden, the art teacher, was based in the same building. He was another piece of work. He was very chummy with Von Einem & Grove. My memory is that Cox kept a bit of distance from those 3.

Yes Cox did keep to himself and seemed like a good man. Never had Bowden as I started in year 8 early 80s.

 

[Tarzan71]

Reading Banquet atm. Chapter 16 page 132 it gives the name of an informant from court docs. Anyone recognise the name? Initials GBO but as I said it actually specifies the name!

 

[Zebo]

Who knows but

Yes Cox did keep to himself and seemed like a good man. Never had Bowden as I started in year 8 early 80s.

What was Mr Tilley's first name?

 

[Zebo]

Reading Banquet atm. Chapter 16 page 132 it gives the name of an informant from court docs. Anyone recognise the name? Initials GBO but as I said it actually specifies the name!

He's the Police Prosecutor ie the person 'informing' the court of the charges.

 

[Paula Terry]

What was Mr Tilley's first name?

Sorry i can't help with that. the name rings a bell and at a guess John. I will get back to you.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

He's the Police Prosecutor ie the person 'informing' the court of the charges.

Thank you for clarifying this. I read the initials mentioned and had a small meltdown that I had missed something.

 

[Zebo]

Sorry i can't help with that. the name rings a bell and at a guess John. I will get back to you.

Thanks. Was he Barry?

 

[Paula Terry]

Thanks. Was he Barry?

Maybe. I will ask around as I have friends from 70s and 80s there. I do remember one teacher did get done for allegedly kiddy diddling?