Neil Craig

[jenny61_99]

Seriously jen, I will be sending him an email on exactly this topic next week.

I like virtually every aspect of Craig as our coach bar one - match day incompetence.

If we are to maximize our game we need a shrewd strategist in the box - not intransigent, non-flexible stubborn fools who will not admit they have made errors in their match-ups.

I was serious, that's why I suggested it. And I agree with you 100%.

 

[Geoffa32]

If we are to maximize our game we need a shrewd strategist in the box

Could we be first coach to ahve this...is their a rule that says head coach in box...In NFL the strategists sit in stands and call the shots...Our club could afford to do this...

 

[RedBull1975]

Peter Rohde coached Norwood's last premiership.

Didn't Craig coach the Norwood reserves to a premiership ??

 

[sapaul]

Norwood reserves won the flag in 95-Craig's last year as their league coach.

 

[crow87]

If we are to maximize our game we need a shrewd strategist in the box

Could we be first coach to ahve this...is their a rule that says head coach in box...In NFL the strategists sit in stands and call the shots...Our club could afford to do this...

That would be great IMO, been considering this for a couple of months now cos I think Craigy lacks a bit in match-day coaching but is fantastic in terms of preparation and getting 100% out of players. Its tricky though, it would have to be done right, has real potential to put noses out of joint big time. Also I think Craigy's "Stubborn-ness" is part to do with that he likes to back his players, this is a real strength but at the same time a weakness in some situations.
On the other hand, dont we (like all AFL clubs nowadays) have copious numbers of assistant coaches on hand already?

 

[Crows #1]

Didn't see the game today, but listened to it on radio.

Do people rate Andrew Jarman as a good coach? He could be worth looking at getting for both game day stuff and youngster development. Do any of the Roosters (or other SANFL followers) have any views on this?

Did Franklin get his marks body on body with Massie or out on a lead? If it was on a lead, I doubt that any of the other defenders would have had the pace to stay with him. Maybe the last time we played the Hawks and Massie did ok (from the stats at least as been overseas a while) he had more pressure from the players down field and a third defender helping him out. Triple M mentioned that the last pass went near a couple of other defenders who could have maybe helped out, so is that the fault of the coach not instructing them to do it more, lack of confidence as they didn't want their man to get the ball or just a really good pass that no one could have stopped?

PS I'm a fan of Craig's.

 

[sapaul]

Most North fans on another site *cough* Wedgie and co *cough* don't even want Jars coaching them(North) next year.

EDIT: North Adelaide have had more finals failures than Adelaide in recent years.

 

[crow87]

Didn't see the game today, but listened to it on radio.

Do people rate Andrew Jarman as a good coach? He could be worth looking at getting for both game day stuff and youngster development. Do any of the Roosters (or other SANFL followers) have any views on this?

Did Franklin get his marks body on body with Massie or out on a lead? If it was on a lead, I doubt that any of the other defenders would have had the pace to stay with him. Maybe the last time we played the Hawks and Massie did ok (from the stats at least as been overseas a while) he had more pressure from the players down field and a third defender helping him out. Triple M mentioned that the last pass went near a couple of other defenders who could have maybe helped out, so is that the fault of the coach not instructing them to do it more, lack of confidence as they didn't want their man to get the ball or just a really good pass that no one could have stopped?

PS I'm a fan of Craig's.

Buddy took most marks on a lead, pretty much impossible to stop, he was a very different prospect in the dry at the dome as most expected. Having said that I did expect other defender to help out a bit more but they had their own worries I guess, Hawks forward line is dangerous on a good day. As far as Jarman goes, I would think he'd make a decent assistant coach in the roles you have mentioned but how would he go knowing he would probably never be head coach? (I would think that very unlikely to happen).

 

[Crow-mo]

I dispute that Craig and Ayres are alike in style.

well...

 

[Cap]

I can't believe this thread - what a ****ing watse of time

a Scott Thompson Clanger cost us a place next week and people are somehow blaming NC (Don't get me wrong it wasn't just Scott Thompsons fault)

FFS what are we Richmond ?, St Kidla

get a bloody life you bunch of fickle moronic supporters calling for NC head and comparing him to Aryes.

how about everyone take a step back, take a deep breath and have a look at where NC has got this club.

If you honestly believe he has got the club know where then **** off because your a moron supporter and we don't need your type here - go barrack for the power . Yes i like a bit of a realistic summarisation from the fans but this bullshit is going to far, i feel like i'm and reading words from a year 10 high school cry sheet.

end rant

 

[Geoffa32]

I can't believe this thread - what a ****ing watse of time

a Scott Thompson Clanger cost us a place next week and people are somehow blaming NC (Don't get me wrong it wasn't just Scott Thompsons fault)

FFS what are we Richmond ?, St Kidla

get a bloody life you bunch of fickle moronic supporters calling for NC head and comparing him to Aryes.

how about everyone take a step back, take a deep breath and have a look at where NC has got this club.

If you honestly believe he has got the club know where then **** off because your a moron supporter and we don't need your type here - go barrack for the power . Yes i like a bit of a realistic summarisation from the fans but this bullshit is going to far, i feel like i'm and reading words from a year 10 high school cry sheet.

end rant

you ahve admit a 2/6 finals record signals a problem???

 

[earlsta]

Look we played well but at the end of the day a 20 year old Superstar got us.

His arms are extremely long, he's as quick as Judd and no-one in the AFL will be able to stop him.

Can't imagine him when he actually PEAKS.

 

[Geoffa32]

Look we played well but at the end of the day a 20 year old Superstar got us.

His arms are extremely long, he's as quick as Judd and no-one in the AFL will be able to stop him.

Can't imagine him when he actually PEAKS.

We should never of been in that position. We coughed up a 5 goal lead. We did this because we stopped attacking. Hawthorn had no right to be so close.

To accept this defeat as a one off is to become complacent....

That is not a club seeking success, that is Richmond...

 

[Asgardian]

What's my husband got to do with this????

Who is this much talked about husband?

Sounds like a legend ..

 

[Asgardian]

All arm chair experts! Neil coached me for a few years when i played at Norwood (inc a premiership). Of all the coaches I have had (including parkin and pagan) I would rate Neil as good as any.

I thought Peter Rohde was coach of Norwood in 1997?

Didn't Neil Craig coach Norwood in 1993 when they lost to Woodville/West Torrens in the G/F?

 

[Asgardian]

If we are to maximize our game we need a shrewd strategist in the box

Could we be first coach to ahve this...is their a rule that says head coach in box...In NFL the strategists sit in stands and call the shots...Our club could afford to do this...

Port has gone along these lines in a manner of speaking

"Phillip Walsh - Opposition Analyst & Innovations Manager"

He obviously is part of the pre match planning, match ups etc.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I have said before that Craig is no different to Ayres as a match day coach. In fact he is an Ayres clone on match day. I made that calls a couple of years ago when we were the crowbots but got shouted down by Craig ass lickers!

Craig is a fantastic teacher and manager of man. He can get the absolute best out of players and for that he gets a HUGE tick from me. However, his match day coaching leaves a lot to be desired. Craig's approach is fine if you have the cream of the crop talent to carry you there. If we had the pure genuine talent then Craig could do wonders in leading the team to the flag. The thing is, we don't have that cream of the crop talent. We have some good talent but we don't have superstars.

Bollocks.

Sydney have proved otherwise. Two GF appearances in succession and there is absolutely no way that you would describe them as the most talented list going around. They don't change their structure at all. They don't throw their team around whatsoever. They have complete faith in the system they have put in place. If things aren't working for a period it is because they have deviated from their game plan, not that they need to ring the changes.

Mark McVeigh was a panellist on the Sunday morning show a few weeks ago and was asked about his brother at Sydney. He basically said that the players know the game plan, they know their role in the team and they never change it, no matter what the game or the opposition throws up. They know what works best for them and they stick with it.

Now, that is a completely different philosophy to a Sheedy or a Blight who are prepared to throw things around to search for the winning formula. If Craig changes his match day approach and is prepared to make more moves, change match ups, adjust game plans and be more flexible mid-game then he is fundamentally changing his coaching philosophy and going against everything he has tried to put in place at the club.

Playing Massie on Franklin is not a match day issue. It was a terrible, terrible match up from the beginning and one that all supposed 600,000 Crows fans would have seen instantly was a chance to cost us the game. I actually agree with Craig to an extent that moving Bock or Stevens onto Franklin once the horse had bolted and he was on fire would have made little difference and perhaps released Boyle who had until then been unsighted. But, for christ's sake, why go with Massie on a dry day when you have a defence loaded with key defenders?

 

[maccas_no1]

Great Teacher and good training techniques...Even an Adequete match day coach

However we are 2/6 in finals in three years...

In NFL there are head coaches then Strategists...Could Adelaide go down this Path...

If we sack Craig we cant get the next best going round. he is at Alberton...So why sack him...I dont rate many of the other coaches in AFL.

Maybe we should Hire Bilght For September

No hire Blight as an assistant to sort out the match day issues, I was ready to explode yesterday at the stubborness of the man

 

[carntheroos4eva]

Why write off your coach?

 

[lunacy]

Agreed...TOTALLY USELESS MATCHDAY

I thought the addition of Peter Jonas was going to make a difference in the box but it hasn't.

I'd love to hear what goes on in there. If Craig is to stay they must restructure the decision making process on match-day. Wont win a premiership like this.

He doesn't even make decisions on match day deos he? It seems the only moves he makes are his predetermined midfield rotations. After that he must just sit and watch the game instead of coaching.

 

[lunacy]

Well I think he should be there next year. Everyone here is talking about Premierships next year, am I the only one thinking that we will only scape into the 8 next year? I think next year should be a development year, I believe Neal Graig is an excellent judge of character of young players and should be there next year.

Yes he made some bad decisions and he was stubborn on match ups. But to be honest, we got outplayed for 2.5 quarters.

He has done the same thing for the last 3 years in finals. Stubborn, one dimensional, boring etc

 

[dA Crow]

I can't believe this thread - what a ****ing watse of time

a Scott Thompson Clanger cost us a place next week and people are somehow blaming NC (Don't get me wrong it wasn't just Scott Thompsons fault)

FFS what are we Richmond ?, St Kidla

get a bloody life you bunch of fickle moronic supporters calling for NC head and comparing him to Aryes.

how about everyone take a step back, take a deep breath and have a look at where NC has got this club.

If you honestly believe he has got the club know where then **** off because your a moron supporter and we don't need your type here - go barrack for the power . Yes i like a bit of a realistic summarisation from the fans but this bullshit is going to far, i feel like i'm and reading words from a year 10 high school cry sheet.

end rant

Good post.

 

[Mad Dog]

Seriously jen, I will be sending him an email on exactly this topic next week.

I like virtually every aspect of Craig as our coach bar one - match day incompetence.

If we are to maximize our game we need a shrewd strategist in the box - not intransigent, non-flexible stubborn fools who will not admit they have made errors in their match-ups.

This is where Jonah needs to step up. Tactically he has a lot to contribute.

Sure he's probably not empowered to as the Head Coach has the final say.

But if Craigy lasts another month or another Decade - I hope Jonah is around to step in

 

[jenny61_99]

Who is this much talked about husband?

Sounds like a legend ..

In his own lunchbox!

 

[jenny61_99]

Somebody, somewhere on this thread (or another)... made the comment that Buddy Franklin won the majority of his possessions for goal on the lead and that it probably wouldn't have made a difference who was on him. We didn't seem to try that spare man in defence (like we did with J Brown) to cut the ball off before it got to him. Or did we and it didn't work? Would Mattner have made a difference in defence yesterday? So many what if's and could have beens... Craigy did a magnificent job even getting us to the finals this year despite some incredibly bad luck and shocking injuries. He definitely has a weakness come match day... and I know he is a real soul searcher, so you can bet he will do plenty of self-analysis over the break.