List Mgmt. Oscar Allen Free Agency

[unty11]

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Didn't Oscar start off down back and his first 20 or so games were at chb when mcgovern wasn't available?

 

[ziad]

Just like they know players catch up with other teams, people/clubs/managers leak this stuff all the time. Fair chance they have a better idea then some bloke posting on a club board on Bigfooty.

Cornes estimated $1.2-$1.3. There has been multiple articles written that he will get offers above $1m.

Anyone can work out that Band 2 won’t cut it, a trade would have to be made. Eagles ain’t accepting pick 20 which will be pick 36 in the draft. If we match, he ain’t coming back.

Lions can’t afford to do a trade as they need all the points they can get, Cal even mentioned that on gettable.

Even more so if the Eagles then bid on Annabel with pick 2 or 3.

I think we can help Brisbane

 

[Scotland]

Brisbane must know that they don't have the draft capital to trade for him. And we won't be letting him go for Band 2 compo. We will just match unless we are sure we will get Band 1. They might have to pay him more than he is worth if they want him for free. What will the likes of Lachie Neale say if Oscar is on more than them in order to get him for free?

That said, where the hell is the money coming from with them? They have been up the top for a long time. Isn't their cap already bursting at the seams?

Lachie Neale joined in 2018 when they had just won 5 games. He's 32 this year, Cameron and O-Mac are 31, Zorko is 36, Daniher retired. These guys have been paid so they aren't likely to be too concerned about how much Oscar Allen is theoretically getting in 2026.

Also the AFL salary cap is a complete joke. It's not the NBA where everyone knows the salary cap is $140m and Phoenix have $160m tied up in 3 players so can't sign anyone. Oscar Allen could go to any team on a contract big enough for band 1 compo and the AFL would sign off on it.

 

[Elite Pete]

Lachie Neale joined in 2018 when they had just won 5 games. He's 32 this year, Cameron and O-Mac are 31, Zorko is 36, Daniher retired. These guys have been paid so they aren't likely to be too concerned about how much Oscar Allen is theoretically getting in 2026.

Also the AFL salary cap is a complete joke. It's not the NBA where everyone knows the salary cap is $140m and Phoenix have $160m tied up in 3 players so can't sign anyone. Oscar Allen could go to any team on a contract big enough for band 1 compo and the AFL would sign off on it.

Yeah seems the afl salary cap is the most flexible. NRL teams have to release decent players often due to the cap being tight.

AFL teams just move cash around and redo contracts. Blues and Suns only seem like the teams that have run into cap issues recently.

 

[Scotland]

Didn't Oscar start off down back and his first 20 or so games were at chb when mcgovern wasn't available?

He played a bit in defence/ruck but not enough to skew the stats. More a case of drafted in 2017 and had to bide his time because we had two guys that kicked 1200 goals between them.

Taberner was maligned (and also always injured) but he didn't have a lot of competition. He played 8 seasons after Pav retired and their list of leading goalkickers is sad. McCarthy 25, Walters 22, Walters 40, Tabs 29, Tabs 37, Lobb 36 then Amiss 41 and Treacy 45 the last two years as they have finally got someone good.

Compare that to Allen and Waterman with more opportunity after playing as third/fourth talls.

 

[briztoon]

If we match, do you think Brisbane would want to trade?

I am sure there is backroom chatter to ensure we get what we need, Brisbane gets Allen and Allen gets to Brisbane.

I have no idea what the club would do.

I can guess most of our fans would have no interest in trading for Allen.

 

[Elite Pete]

I have no idea what the club would do.

I can guess most of our fans would have no interest in trading for Allen.

I’ll give you an update Briztroll and you don’t have to be too smart to understand it.

Neither would your club when there is another option…….

 

[briztoon]

No we dont.

I replied to a specific post, where the poster was saying if you don’t get Band 1 compensation, then you should re-sign Allen to a very reasonable deal.

My reply was essentially it doesn’t work that way, if Allen accepts an offer and West Coast doesn’t like the compensation, West Coast has to match the offer if they wanted to keep Allen.

If we want to force a trade then we have to match. If we are happy with the compo then we just need to ensure that the receiving team ponies up enough $s to make sure of a Band 1.
This may require us to threaten to match but I think most clubs know the lay of the land so the threat should not need to be explicitly laid out.

Or a team does the same as what St Kilda did with Brad Crouch.

 

[unty11]

He played a bit in defence/ruck but not enough to skew the stats. More a case of drafted in 2017 and had to bide his time because we had two guys that kicked 1200 goals between them.

Taberner was maligned (and also always injured) but he didn't have a lot of competition. He played 8 seasons after Pav retired and their list of leading goalkickers is sad. McCarthy 25, Walters 22, Walters 40, Tabs 29, Tabs 37, Lobb 36 then Amiss 41 and Treacy 45 the last two years as they have finally got someone good.

Compare that to Allen and Waterman with more opportunity after playing as third/fourth talls.

Looking at the stats in 2023 he played 23 games and kicked 53 goals.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Lachie Neale joined in 2018 when they had just won 5 games. He's 32 this year, Cameron and O-Mac are 31, Zorko is 36, Daniher retired. These guys have been paid so they aren't likely to be too concerned about how much Oscar Allen is theoretically getting in 2026.

Also the AFL salary cap is a complete joke. It's not the NBA where everyone knows the salary cap is $140m and Phoenix have $160m tied up in 3 players so can't sign anyone. Oscar Allen could go to any team on a contract big enough for band 1 compo and the AFL would sign off on it.

I don't agree that players don't care about money anymore after 30. Look at the entitled, greedy and super militant behaviour of our 2018 team once they started approaching 30. They wanted top dollar and even when they got it they only put in half assed efforts.

I think if Allen was brought in on a contract that made him the highest paid player or close to it (despite several years of producing very little on field aswell) there will be discontent and Brisbane can forget about preaching to it's playing list to take less than market value to keep the list together.

I would bet if Brisbane are bringing in Oscar on big money it will be a very, very heavily backended deal with most of the money coming in the 5th and 6th years. Just like Lynch at Richmond is the close to the highest paid player in the comp right now because of how heavily backended his deal was. And that would be another thing for Allen to think about - the time value of money. If all the money is coming years from now how much will the value of that be eroded by government money printing between now and then, vrs getting paid earlier at West Coast.

 

[Seadog]

I don't agree that players don't care about money anymore after 30. Look at the entitled, greedy and super militant behaviour of our 2018 team once they started approaching 30. They wanted top dollar and even when they got it they only put in half assed efforts.

I think if Allen was brought in on a contract that made him the highest paid player or close to it (despite several years of producing very little on field aswell) there will be discontent and Brisbane can forget about preaching to it's playing list to take less than market value to keep the list together.

I would bet if Brisbane are bringing in Oscar on big money it will be a very, very heavily backended deal with most of the money coming in the 5th and 6th years. Just like Lynch at Richmond is the close to the highest paid player in the comp right now because of how heavily backended his deal was. And that would be another thing for Allen to think about - the time value of money. If all the money is coming years from now how much will the value of that be eroded by government money printing between now and then, vrs getting paid earlier at West Coast.

Word salad your namesake would be proud of.

 

[briztoon]

Brisbane must know that they don't have the draft capital to trade for him. And we won't be letting him go for Band 2 compo. We will just match unless we are sure we will get Band 1. They might have to pay him more than he is worth if they want him for free. What will the likes of Lachie Neale say if Oscar is on more than them in order to get him for free?

That said, where the hell is the money coming from with them? They have been up the top for a long time. Isn't their cap already bursting at the seams?

Have you ever read any of those articles about how many players are on $1m+ and they name names, etc.

You’ve never seen a Lions player on those lists, or in the top two wage brackets.

I’m guessing we run our salary cap similar to Geelong, it’s just that the AFL media largely ignore non VIC clubs.

Daniher got a nice farm outside Byron Bay. Might be a few players with decent Metricon (major sponsor) house and land package. The land for our new training base was a $1 pepper corn lease from our ex chairman (currently deputy chairman of the Springfield land corporation). Brisbane version of a Hungry Jacks franchise.

I’d say the only player on our list who has been overpaid is Rayner. But apparently he brings a lot off the field.

 

[briztoon]

I think it more likely we get band one and then they won't have to get the heat for giving us a priority pick

Yeah, I copped a bit of flack on here when I first suggested this.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Have you ever read any of those articles about how many players are on $1m+ and they name names, etc.

You’ve never seen a Lions player on those lists, or in the top two wage brackets.

I’m guessing we run our salary cap similar to Geelong, it’s just that the AFL media largely ignore non VIC clubs.

Daniher got a nice farm outside Byron Bay. Might be a few players with decent Metricon (major sponsor) house and land package. The land for our new training base was a $1 pepper corn lease from our ex chairman (currently deputy chairman of the Springfield land corporation). Brisbane version of a Hungry Jacks franchise.

I’d say the only player on our list who has been overpaid is Rayner. But apparently he brings a lot off the field.

I have noticed that. I have seen articles saying Neale is on 900k which is obviously well under market value. Thats why i say they run the risk of upsetting that agreement within the playing group to not ask for market value if they bring in someone like Allen on top dollar.

 

[WCEswift]

Didnt show up to the first home game post mitchell coffee.

doesnt show up to first open training after mitchell coffee...

 

[RookiePick]

Didnt show up to the first home game post mitchell coffee.

doesnt show up to first open training after mitchell coffee...

It does seem dreadfully soft. Tbf the guy has probably never had anything much negative said to/about him in his life. He's worked hard and everything has generally worked out pretty good for him. Might be a bit of a shock to not be the golden boy.

Hopefully he plays a ball tearer against the Hawks.

 

[WCEswift]

Hopefully he plays a ball tearer against the Hawks.

He'll give you 8 disposals take it or leave it

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

I think the AFL will make sure it does trigger band 1 regardless. Will be the favour returned for us not requesting a priority pick…

How does a team that won the premiership in 2018 ask / expect a compo pick in 2025, a mere 7 years later.

If I were stk I’d be pissed.

Compensation picks surely can not be with in 10 years of a premiership.

Eagles are normally well run, I think you will bounce back up quicker than you expect. Just like the tigers.

 

[bzparkes]

How does a team that won the premiership in 2018 ask / expect a compo pick in 2025, a mere 7 years later.

If I were stk I’d be pissed.

Compensation picks surely can not be with in 10 years of a premiership.

Eagles are normally well run, I think you will bounce back up quicker than you expect. Just like the tigers.

Because that's the system?

What a moronic comment.

 

[Boohemian]

Because that's the system?

What a moronic comment.

Lol yeah. We’re in our fourth consecutive year of being catastrophically shithouse and uncompetitive. That’s what priority picks are for.

 

[bzparkes]

Lol yeah. We’re in our fourth consecutive year of being catastrophically shithouse and uncompetitive. That’s what priority picks are for.

He's not even talking about PPs though, he's talking about FA compo, which is even dumber.

 

[Doashuey]

I have noticed that. I have seen articles saying Neale is on 900k which is obviously well under market value. Thats why i say they run the risk of upsetting that agreement within the playing group to not ask for market value if they bring in someone like Allen on top dollar.

Why do you think they would accept unders? Maybe to go to the well again for another flag?
If Brissy trade in Allen for 1m and he performs I have no doubt they will all be more than happy he gets a bit more if it nets them another flag.

 

[LittleFires]

How does a team that won the premiership in 2018 ask / expect a compo pick in 2025, a mere 7 years later.

If I were stk I’d be pissed.

Compensation picks surely can not be with in 10 years of a premiership.

Eagles are normally well run, I think you will bounce back up quicker than you expect. Just like the tigers.

What bearing exactly is the 2018 flag having on our current form?

The fact is we've won 12 of our last 83 games - so I'm not sure any "lingering effects" of the premiership are impacting our situation in a positive way.

We've never been this poor in our entire club history so I think we're entitled to at least ask the question.

 

[ziad]

It does seem dreadfully soft. Tbf the guy has probably never had anything much negative said to/about him in his life. He's worked hard and everything has generally worked out pretty good for him. Might be a bit of a shock to not be the golden boy.

Hopefully he plays a ball tearer against the Hawks.

A self entitled generation I am afraid.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

What bearing exactly is the 2018 flag having on our current form?

The fact is we've won 12 of our last 83 games - so I'm not sure any "lingering effects" of the premiership are impacting our situation in a positive way.

We've never been this poor in our entire club history so I think we're entitled to at least ask the question.

Because there are other teams without such success or help.

There needs to be clear guidelines for all teams. Without the AFL manipulation the rules to suit there own narrative.

The current AFL management changes the rules every year to suit there self.

Bugger that let every club have the same set of goal post and stop changing the rules.

No club ( Not just the eagles) should be granted a priority picks with in 10 years of winning a premiership.

A priority picks for a struggling club should be before number 1. Pick Zero ( since the AFL likes the number ).

For example f/a compo should be at the end of each round not the start. This also protects the early picks, especially for struggling clubs.

F/S - NGA Access should be discount. Your ability trump another club when the players name is called out.

Full time umpires are a must!
Investment in under 18 and 16 footy.

Anyway my point is stable governance with the same set of rules for everyone.

Which should also mean you’re not punished for good governance of your club.