Rumour Noah Balta assault charges

[OniAu]

Please point out these people defending what Balta did?

People have in this thread. Even the media is downplaying his actions in a poor him scenario for no night games or interstate games. Not implying you have, but gosh some people dont see the severity of what he did. Sam Kerr copped more bad press from media in victoria and aus for verbal abuse to a police officer

 

[OniAu]

it's 30 minutes til curfew guys... let's hope he doesn't break it!

You wont see him coming anyway, will hit you from behind

 

[Muddiemoose]

I think Balta putting himself up to play and Richmond / AFL allowing him to play shows a sense of arrogance and lack of remorse that the Magistrate clearly picked up on. I read it as - you're not taking this seriously, here's something that will actually impact you (and the organisation that platforms you).

Magistrates aren’t allowed to use outside factors such as you are describing to influence sentencing

They are only allowed to use the facts surrounding the case at hand it goes against the entire principles they swore to represent otherwise and can be dismissed from thier position

 

[OniAu]

Magistrates aren’t allowed to use outside factors such as you are describing to influence sentencing

They are only allowed to use the facts surrounding the case at hand it goes against the entire principles they swore to represent otherwise and can be dismissed from thier position

This the same as the jury in terms of media reports during a court case? Always find it hard to see how it doesn't become influential

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Magistrates aren’t allowed to use outside factors such as you are describing to influence sentencing

They are only allowed to use the facts surrounding the case at hand it goes against the entire principles they swore to represent otherwise and can be dismissed from thier position

They're not allowed to take into account remorse in sentencing? Disagree

 

[MisterMarcus]

This MAGA guywho supports a convicted felon, rapist, fraudster and bankruptee rising to the office of President is upset that footballer convicted of assault is allowed to football.

Make it make sense.

A brand new member with one post is already intimately aware of someone else's posting history, and going the insults and name calling?

I'm sure they're totally not an alt of someone who's been banned......

 

[Muddiemoose]

They're not allowed to take into account remorse in sentencing? Disagree

How is he returning to work not showing remorse?

When he had already settled with the victim, and expressed his regrets during the case

 

[FlowersByIrene]

How is he returning to work not showing remorse?

When he had already settled with the victim, and expressed his regrets during the case

If you don't see how it shows a lack of remorse to return to the football field where you are cheered by thousands of sycophants, broadcasted to the country, after serving a suspension that was set in the cover of darkness without public knowledge of the full extent of the crime and before he had plead guilty, such a suspension that then was not amended after he had plead guilty or the full extent of his crime laid bare, all days before your sentencing - then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Muddiemoose]

This the same as the jury in terms of media reports during a court case? Always find it hard to see how it doesn't become influential

That’s why we have specific laws around courted ordered suppression orders and both parties have the ability to scratch jury members from the pool, plus the judge’s ability to dismiss individual jury members or even call a mistrial

The system it built around protecting both parties from individual prejudice

 

[HumanMeatball]

Which is this still a story?

 

[Muddiemoose]

If you don't see how it shows a lack of remorse to return to the football field where you are cheered by thousands of sycophants, broadcasted to the country, after serving a suspension that was set in the cover of darkness without public knowledge of the full extent of the crime and before he had plead guilty, such a suspension that then was not amended after he had plead guilty or the full extent of his crime laid bare, all days before your sentencing - then I don't know what to tell you.

The suspension had nothing to do with the justice system, nor should it

You are conflating two separate things when they have no bearing on each other

 

[FlowersByIrene]

The suspension had nothing to do with the justice system, nor should it

You are conflating two separate things when they have no bearing on each other

It shows his lack of remorse, that's pretty clear. A remorseful person who cared that they king hit a defenceless bloke on his knees, would not have played days before his sentencing, and would not have tried to sweep a suspension under the rug before footage was released.

You can pay as much money as you want, read as many statements written by your lawyers as you want, but anyone with a brain can see through that by Balta's actions, which showed anything but remorse.

 

[Romeoh1]

I seem to recall Tyson Stengel being out way past 10pm during the season. Did he get told that’s not normal?

Crikey- way to go with the insecure response.
I’d be very surprised if stengle wasn’t given lots of good advice after the incident. And hopefully he has heeded it. As balta no doubt will- or looks like he already has stepped up.

 

[Muddiemoose]

It shows his lack of remorse, that's pretty clear. A remorseful person who cared that they king hit a defenceless bloke on his knees, would not have played days before his sentencing, and would not have tried to sweep a suspension under the rug before footage was released.

You can pay as much money as you want, read as many statements written by your lawyers as you want, but anyone with a brain can see through that by Balta's actions, which showed anything but remorse.

Why wouldn’t he have played before his sentencing?
He was cleared to play by his employer and the AFL

Are you arguing that anyone awaiting trial shouldn’t be allowed to work until afterwards?

How does he not playing impact the victim at all by not showing remorse? The victim himself said he wanted Balta to get a second chance?

You are inventing things to be outraged about that aren’t relevant

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Why wouldn’t he have played before his sentencing?
He was cleared to play by his employer and the AFL

Are you arguing that anyone awaiting trial shouldn’t be allowed to work until afterwards?

How does he not playing impact the victim at all by not showing remorse? The victim himself said he wanted Balta to get a second chance?

You are inventing things to be outraged about that aren’t relevant

You're clearly blind to the realities of this matter. It's okay, you don't get it - most other people do.

 

[Muddiemoose]

You're clearly blind to the realities of this matter. It's okay, you don't get it - most other people do.

No, you are applying your own emotions to a legal matter that doesn’t take emotions into account when the sentence was decided

 

[Sqotty from office works]

The victim himself said he wanted Balta to get a second chance?

The victim did make that statement after his cheque cleared.

Just saying.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

No, you are applying your own emotions to a legal matter that doesn’t take emotions into account when the sentence was decided

There's nothing emotional about it, i've set out why a reasonable objective person would consider Balta's actions do not indicate remorse. Factors that the Magistrate clearly took into account, as evident in his statement that the curfew was designed intentionally to impact his ability to play football as a punitive element. Your emotions are causing you to ignore the fact Balta's actions did not appear remorseful to any neutral third party who is not emotionally connected like you.

 

[Muddiemoose]

The victim did make that statement after his cheque cleared.

Just saying.

Still doesn’t take away from the initial point

The suspension the Balta got from the AFL and Richmond was completely separate to the punishment handed down by the judge

They are two things completely independent of each other (as they should be)

 

[Muddiemoose]

There's nothing emotional about it, i've set out why a reasonable objective person would consider Balta's actions do not indicate remorse. Factors that the Magistrate clearly took into account, as evident in his statement that the curfew was designed intentionally to impact his ability to play football as a punitive element. Your emotions are causing you to ignore the fact Balta's actions did not appear remorseful to any neutral third party who is not emotionally connected like you.

The magistrate said no such thing in regards to the curfew

“Magistrate Humphrey told the court the curfew was a punitive element and said Balta would be required to make changes to his employment to fit the sentence.”

You are putting 2+2 together and getting 6

 

[Muddiemoose]

There's nothing emotional about it, i've set out why a reasonable objective person would consider Balta's actions do not indicate remorse. Factors that the Magistrate clearly took into account, as evident in his statement that the curfew was designed intentionally to impact his ability to play football as a punitive element. Your emotions are causing you to ignore the fact Balta's actions did not appear remorseful to any neutral third party who is not emotionally connected like you.

To add she said

“
“Alcohol-fuelled violence must be denounced,” Humphreys said.


Balta’s age, lack of prior convictions and his expression of genuine remorse was taken into account in the sentence.”

AFL player Noah Balta avoids jail for car park assault but given curfew and alcohol ban

The Richmond star was sentenced after pleading guilty to assault in an alcohol-fuelled incident outside a water ski club

www.theguardian.com

If she wanted him to miss games of footy she could of just locked him up stopping him playing any games

Instead of letting him be free to play day games and in the VFL games

 

[FlowersByIrene]

To add she said

“
“Alcohol-fuelled violence must be denounced,” Humphreys said.


Balta’s age, lack of prior convictions and his expression of genuine remorse was taken into account in the sentence.”

AFL player Noah Balta avoids jail for car park assault but given curfew and alcohol ban

The Richmond star was sentenced after pleading guilty to assault in an alcohol-fuelled incident outside a water ski club

www.theguardian.com

If she wanted him to miss games of footy she could of just locked him up stopping him playing any games

Instead of letting him be free to play day games and in the VFL games

They always say that, but there's a difference between "genuine remorse" and "genuine remorse".

 

[Lockie]

I don't live in VIC.

how is Allen's state going?

if you have to explain AFL team selection to your kids.
Balta is one "bad" apple AFL player out of 432 players that took the field that weekend.

If I was a kid supporting Geebung.......mum step dad, where's Tanner Bruhn my favourire player.?

mum step dad, what's a suppression order?

​

Suppression orders are directives of a court intended to prohibit and restrict the publication or other disclosure of any information in connection with any proceeding. These orders are commonly made to:

• prevent prejudice to the proper administration of justice that cannot be prevented by other means
• avoid prejudicing the interests of national or international security
• provide protection to the safety of any person
• avoid causing undue stress or embarrassment to any complainant or witness, particularly in the context of proceedings relating to sexual or family violence offences.

Contravention of a suppression order attracts strict penalties which may include a term of imprisonment depending on the severity of the contravention.

Hardwick did a press conference in QLD yesterday and made a big statement about how we in Victoria and all premiers in all states etc should be tougher on crime. Contradicts himself as Balta didn’t loose his job - didn’t go to jail and had all the resources and support of Richmond available to him including lawyers etc. There is a general feeling that he got off quite lightly. If that was me I would have lost my job and so would many others. I would not have had the privileges of that support and resources.. The video footage is terrible. Hardwick can’t complain about not being touch on crime.

I don’t know the circumstances re Tanner and given there’s a suppression order that is probably there to protect the victim I have no idea of the situation.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

The magistrate said no such thing in regards to the curfew

“Magistrate Humphrey told the court the curfew was a punitive element and said Balta would be required to make changes to his employment to fit the sentence.”

You are putting 2+2 together and getting 6

It's there in black and white.

 

[Muddiemoose]

They always say that, but there's a difference between "genuine remorse" and "genuine remorse".

So you are saying the judge lied?