ANZAC Day vs Welcome to Country

[Carringbush2010]

We don't need to get 'welcomed' when we visit other states or territories.

It's not about 'need'

When Mark Brown says "I'm here to welcome you to my father's country, it makes many people feel they are being told it's not their country.

And they shouldn't feel that way, it's not the intent.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I think I can speculate the mind set of those opposed to WTC and AOC.

Like the voice referendum, the fact that a certain group has a certain something not afforded to everyone else.

For example, one could argue 'why not have an address from the muslim community as well' or insert any minority.

I can sorta understand that, it's one group getting favoured over everyone else, and technically it is if one views as simplistically as that.

But WTC and AOC isn't being performed in bad faith veiled as a conspiracy as some would think.

Does this mind set make these people bad?

No I don't think so, for example military veterans are by and large very good people but I wouldn't be surprised if many of the don't see WTC on Anzac day as appropriate.

Again, they may see it as one group getting limelight not afforded to everyone else.

And then there's pure bigots and racists, the neo nazis at the dawn service.

 

[Carringbush2010]

MCDONALDS IS WOKE

Boycott Maccas not coz woke but coz merican

 

[Carringbush2010]

Once again, you demonstrate you really don't understand what the Welcome to Country is about.

Actually I watched about 4 mins in, all it is is media (once again!) hyperbolising that 'people don't really care for wtc and actually oppose it'

And people like Frank Bunn and Mikey13G naively gobble it up and go 'see this is what everyone REALLY thinks'

 

[nobbyiscool]

I think I can speculate the mind set of those opposed to WTC and AOC.

Like the voice referendum, the fact that a certain group has a certain something not afforded to everyone else.

For example, one could argue 'why not have an address from the muslim community as well' or insert any minority.

I can sorta understand that, it's one group getting favoured over everyone else, and technically it is if one views as simplistically as that.

But WTC and AOC isn't being performed in bad faith veiled as a conspiracy as some would think.

Does this mind set make these people bad?

No I don't think so, for example military veterans are by and large very good people but I wouldn't be surprised if many of the don't see WTC on Anzac day as appropriate.

Again, they may see it as one group getting limelight not afforded to everyone else.

And then there's pure bigots and racists, the neo nazis at the dawn service.

The RSL came out in support of Welcomes to Country as part of ANZAC services, recognising that Australia also had Indigenous service men and women. So whether you'd be "surprised" by whether people support it is irrelevant.

You're looking too deeply into this. The reality is that Australia is still a disgustingly racist country that 1) is more offended by being labelled racist than it is by racism, and 2) has an interest in keeping a subclass of people to make themselves better.

It's the same theory as basic school yard pack mentality, where generally good, well meaning people will join the pack and punch down on the already down-trodden, lest they themselves fall to the bottom of the pack. (The basic wannabe alphas who label other people as snowflakes, while whinging about a 30 second Welcome to Country because they're pussies who don't want to be the bottom of the pack.)

People will argue that it's ignorance, not racism, I would argue that there's no excuse for ignorance, especially if someone is going to use their own ignorance as a defence.

 

[Carringbush2010]

You're looking too deeply into this. The reality is that Australia is still a disgustingly racist country that 1) is more offended by being labelled racist than it is by racism, and 2) has an interest in keeping a subclass of people to make themselves better.

You'd have to come up with legitimate to support your broadbrush claim.

I don't think this is true of the vast majority of the populace

People will argue that it's ignorance, not racism, I would argue that there's no excuse for ignorance, especially if someone is going to use their own ignorance as a defence.

There's a difference between wilful ignorance and naive ignorance. Life is not black & white the way you portray it here.

So it's not something you can use to support your wild claim that Australians by and large are racist.

So no I'm not looking into this 'too deeply'

 

[QuietB]

repitition in and off itself is NOT the issue that bunches the panties of conservatives, RWNJs, Qookers and neo-nazis alike

its the act of being constantly reminded of crimes/failures of white australia against first nations people ...... its the fear that if this ceremonial welcome becomes embedded in this countries collective psyche* it will forever afford first nations people with a level of respect, acknowledgement and dignity colonialism has fought to extinguish - THATS THE UNDERLYING FEAR DRIVING OPPOSITION TO WTC

* like anzac day, like all christian days of rememberance

I also think a bunch of very powerful mining and pastoral owners wish they could make first Australians go away and they spend a lot of time and resources trying to convince a lot of people - people who are very easily led and have underlying daddy issues - to agree with them.

 

[1990crow]

QUESTION. Is there any other country in the world who has to stick up with 3 flags and welcome to country week in week out.
The vote was no but the bullshit continues.
I'm not anti indigenous, I'm anti bullshit

You're a racist anti-indegenous person.

 

[Cold Sober]

You're a racist anti-indegenous person.

be nice.

 

[1990crow]

be nice.

Nope. We need to call out this stuff. It's not good enough.

 

[carltonchelsea]

QUESTION. Is there any other country in the
I'm not anti indigenous, I'm anti bullshit

Yeah nah, you are shags, deal with it.

 

[Tadpole]

be nice.

That was the nice version.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Miss this part of my post:

Yes indigenous people can have a day a year for remembering what happened or something similar but doing it constantly is the issue

“Who the **** made this bloke the leader…………Gimme the Conch….start swimming kaiser”.

 

[Kram]

The joint is usually a cesspit but this thread is a shocker from both 'sides'.

 

[carltonchelsea]

The joint is usually a cesspit but this thread is a shocker from both 'sides'.

Name one post where this elusive other “side” in favour of WTC is cesspit worthy?
I bet ya a tenner you can’t?

 

[Handsuper47]

Don't really have any issues with ANZAC Day. It's to show respect for the people who died defend our country in wars, even when all the people from WWII are long gone we should still have it to show respect to those people, as we wouldn't be here if not for their sacrifices.

As for Welcome to Country, I don't mind it but it seems to me there's a big issue in communication on the phrasing of it. You've got one group that believes it's about welcoming to the land itself as in the spirit of Australia - the land, the trees, the fauna, the dirt, our ancestors, everything that was here before us and I think that's what the interpretation is meant to be. Then you've got another group believes it's about welcoming people to 'their country', as in we were here before you so this country belongs to us and you're just living in it. I don't think that's what it's going for and there needs to be much clearer clarification to people, instead of calling them names or belittling them, to show a better path.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

The joint is usually a cesspit but this thread is a shocker from both 'sides'.

"Both sides"

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Actually I watched about 4 mins in, all it is is media (once again!) hyperbolising that 'people don't really care for wtc and actually oppose it'

And people like Frank Bunn and Mikey13G naively gobble it up and go 'see this is what everyone REALLY thinks'

They claim it's been forced down their throat, while gleefully slurping on Gina's nectar.

 

[QuietB]

They claim it's been forced down their throat, while gleefully slurping on Gina's nectar.

Ultimately they are just a pack of sooks

 

[Grin]

The Stolen Generation was still happening into the 70s.

It’s still happening now

 

[pjcrows]

For the umpteenth time - show some respect by accepting welcome to country. It's not some hidden plot to divide Australia.

That's not what Gary Ablett reckons.

 

[pjcrows]

Ultimately they are just a pack of sooks

To label other people snowflakes whilst going apoplectic about an Aboriginal elder doing a Welcome to Country is peak Straya.

 

[Gough]

That's not what Gary Ablett reckons.

Living proof of what happens when smack becomes more than youthful exuberance.

 

[schneebly111]

What garbage.. I attend plenty of afl games, I either continually chat through the Wtc, am getting food or drink, listening to the pre game on the radio or not paying attention. There would have been plenty there on Anzac Day doing the same thing.

So you deliberately try to disrupt it? I guess you’ll be fine with me chatting, drinking, listening to the radio or not paying attention to the minute’s silence then?

 

[schneebly111]

Ultimately they are just a pack of sooks

That term (sooks) needs to be applied to lot of people in this country today