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This year is painful precisely because of this - our depth has been negligently depleted. Voss is on an absolute hiding to nothing. This week, he has a devil's choice: with Silvagni and Boyd injured, he needs to bring at least two players into the squad. He has 4-5 players returning from injury, and a bye coming up. Rest the returning players and give them a chance to heal, and we suit up at least 6 players who are under 22 (assuming Docherty comes in and Cincotta the sub) --> we almost certainly lose, go 4-7 at the bye and he'll spend 2 weeks copping it from Carlton supporters and the media. Or, he brings in multiple under-done players, risks them getting further injury for a minor chance at keeping the season 'alive'.

think the match against sydney has been the best recent example of the players not up to snuff vs voss capabilities. lots of players not getting the job done.

that said, some of our depth has been left to wither on the vine. either injured past used by date, or not picked.
we seem to have ready-made replacements for most of our players but depth isn't depth if you're having to pick all your next-in-lines all at once without any previous exposure. without giving youngsters experience alongside established players, dropping out of form players, your team will end up looking like a north melbourne that chased glory - having to play the kids once your players retire, with the least possible idea if they will even make it.

 

[Soapy V]

You're right, Kennedy would not have made us a flag threat but I'd say you've gone a little early on both Lord and HOF.

They could well be 10 year players but they could just as well, with our record of player development, be flops.

Still waiting for someone to give me a list of players that have actually improved in the 3.5 years of coaching under Voss,

I said "Looks"

 

[blue healer]

I said "Looks"

Point taken but I think my point on player development still stands and FWIW Kennedy may well be a prime example of this.

 

[Opium]

My question is would having Kennedy in our side make us a flag threat? Is he the difference?

And if we hadn’t traded him we wouldn’t have got O’Farrell who looks like a 10 year KPP along with room in SC to keep TDK and/or get another good player

Then we have been able to play and develop Lord who is looking like another 10 year midfielder

Would Hewett be playing as well as he is now having to share the midfield?

It’s not that simple

The question is why our coaches didn't see Kennedy as a midfielder and were playing him at Full back at different stages last year. Ultimately this falls on our coaches and list management for me. Lord is another who looks good so far. Yet Lord didn't get a single CBA last week when he's clearly an inside midfielder. Let's hope we allow the players to play in their natural position to allow them to thrive.

 

[Beyond Blue]

No because Kennedy is in AA form with another three goals last night. Our toughest midfielder aside from Cripps and also a goal kicker.....and we gave him away for a bag of chips. But hey let's just ignore the elephant in the room because it suits our agenda.

You know who else is in All Australian form…George Hewett. It was either one of them who had to go as Voss knew he couldn’t run with Cripps, Hewett and Kennedy. I think the club made the right call.

Truth be told the issue with our midfield at the moment is Cripps and Walsh are both down on output. Hewett and Cerra have been every bit as good, if not better in George’s case, as Kennedy has.

IMO Kennedy isn’t playing better because Beveridge is a better coach. It’s about opportunity, Kennedy knowing he is on his last chance as a footballer, and luck that Bont and Treloar were both injured early in the season.

 

[gbatman]

My question is would having Kennedy in our side make us a flag threat? Is he the difference?

And if we hadn’t traded him we wouldn’t have got O’Farrell who looks like a 10 year KPP along with room in SC to keep TDK and/or get another good player

Then we have been able to play and develop Lord who is looking like another 10 year midfielder

Would Hewett be playing as well as he is now having to share the midfield?

It’s not that simple

Hewett playing well in the middle is great and we don't miss Kennedy there. Elijah Holland's absence as well as injuries and the poor quality of our half forwards are where we miss Kennedy.

As it's turned out.

We have much bigger issues.

 

[Soapy V]

IMO Kennedy isn’t playing better because Beveridge is a better coach. It’s about opportunity, Kennedy knowing he is on his last chance as a footballer, and luck that Bont and Treloar were both injured early in the season.

I see his addition to Dogs as perfect addition to what they have. It's a great mix

Richards is quick and can hit targets
Bont is just a star that can do anything
Libba is in and under
Kennedy is a contested player that can go forward and take a mark
This added to the run off HB of Dale and JJ

For us we had Cripps Hewett Lord who are all contested supported by Cerra & Walsh who are worker types

 

[CCurnow3picks]

Going a touch early there…

Agree with the rest of your post but

I agree with SV on this one.

He’s mature before his time, great awareness, hand and his kicking only gets better.

As his tank builds, he’ll only get better.

Looks a solid to me.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I see his addition to Dogs as perfect addition to what they have. It's a great mix

Richards is quick and can hit targets
Bont is just a star that can do anything
Libba is in and under
Kennedy is a contested player that can go forward and take a mark
This added to the run off HB of Dale and JJ

For us we had Cripps Hewett Lord who are all contested supported by Cerra & Walsh who are worker types

Dogs have a better balanced midfield/team of inside speed spread & overlap, Kennedy complements their brand really well…
Really happy for him, if our list was better balanced we would have been in a better position in keeping him…

 

[goreds]

Dogs have a better balanced midfield/team of inside speed spread & overlap, Kennedy complements their brand really well…
Really happy for him, if our list was better balanced we would have been in a better position in keeping him…

Our list is balanced. The issue is that our outside runners are just ordinary or not very good. Outside runners need to be able to kick. I have some hope for L. Campo, but the others are done in my eyes.

 

[Accidental genius]

I see his addition to Dogs as perfect addition to what they have. It's a great mix

Richards is quick and can hit targets
Bont is just a star that can do anything
Libba is in and under
Kennedy is a contested player that can go forward and take a mark
This added to the run off HB of Dale and JJ

For us we had Cripps Hewett Lord who are all contested supported by Cerra & Walsh who are worker types

How do we compare to the dogs mids...

Jagga - Richards is quick and can hit targets
Cripps - Bont is just a star that can do anything
Lord/Hewett - Libba is in and under
?? - Kennedy is a contested player that can go forward and take a mark
Mcgov/Saad - This added to the run off HB of Dale and JJ

Which ones do Walsh and Cerra fit under?

 

[Show_Me_The_Money]

You know who else is in All Australian form…George Hewett. It was either one of them who had to go as Voss knew he couldn’t run with Cripps, Hewett and Kennedy. I think the club made the right call.

Truth be told the issue with our midfield at the moment is Cripps and Walsh are both down on output. Hewett and Cerra have been every bit as good, if not better in George’s case, as Kennedy has.

IMO Kennedy isn’t playing better because Beveridge is a better coach. It’s about opportunity, Kennedy knowing he is on his last chance as a footballer, and luck that Bont and Treloar were both injured early in the season.

Opportunity we didn't give him.

 

[JustaBattler]

Our list is balanced. The issue is that our outside runners are just ordinary or not very good. Outside runners need to be able to kick. I have some hope for L. Campo, but the others are done in my eyes.

100% and this is why Voss must go! He should have trained them to be able to kick by now - what is he doing with all his time anyway? Poor player development!!!

 

[swuzzlebubble]

100% and this is why Voss must go! He should have trained them to be able to kick by now - what is he doing with all his time anyway? Poor player development!!!

Lol

 

[blue healer]

100% and this is why Voss must go! He should have trained them to be able to kick by now - what is he doing with all his time anyway? Poor player development!!!

This post adds nothing with it's attempt at sarcastic humor but I'll bite anyway.

Very, very few kids come straight from the draft with all the skills and impact immediately in the AFL. for every one that does it is very easy to add ten that need to develop most, if not all, the skills necessary to ultimately make it.

If it's not the job of coaches to do this, whose job is it?

Because if it isn't done the quality of football we see would be atrocious and the turnover of players enormous.

And BTW there are many, many more who aren't drafted and later selected in the rookie draft who go on to forge very good, and in some cases, great careers. We probably have about 7 or 8 of those in our best 26 now.

But you're probably right, we are just unlucky enough to draft unteachable young men.

 

[JustaBattler]

This post adds nothing with it's attempt at sarcastic humor but I'll bite anyway.

Very, very few kids come straight from the draft with all the skills and impact immediately in the AFL. for every one that does it is very easy to add ten that need to develop most, if not all, the skills necessary to ultimately make it.

If it's not the job of coaches to do this, whose job is it?

Because if it isn't done the quality of football we see would be atrocious and the turnover of players enormous.

And BTW there are many, many more who aren't drafted and later selected in the rookie draft who go on to forge very good, and in some cases, great careers. We probably have about 7 or 8 of those in our best 26 now.

But you're probably right, we are just unlucky enough to draft unteachable young men.

You are absolutely correct- the fact that Motlop and Durdin and a bunch of other players on the list for years now - are still fumblers and poor kicks is all on the coaches - especially Voss. However I guess there is a bright side- he is probably having his arms twisted playing them in order to give them extended tastes iof AFL football so that they understand what it takes to be an average AFL player -Voss and his team just have to spend more time teaching the poor kickers to be better kickers - that is what I have concluded.

 

[blue healer]

You are absolutely correct- the fact that Motlop and Durdin and a bunch of other players on the list for years now - are still fumblers and poor kicks is all on the coaches - especially Voss. However I guess there is a bright side- he is probably having his arms twisted playing them in order to give them extended tastes iof AFL football so that they understand what it takes to be an average AFL player -Voss and his team just have to spend more time teaching the poor kickers to be better kickers - that is what I have concluded.

Classy response, too good for me ...carry on.

 

[berisha]

You know who else is in All Australian form…George Hewett. It was either one of them who had to go as Voss knew he couldn’t run with Cripps, Hewett and Kennedy. I think the club made the right call.

Truth be told the issue with our midfield at the moment is Cripps and Walsh are both down on output. Hewett and Cerra have been every bit as good, if not better in George’s case, as Kennedy has.

IMO Kennedy isn’t playing better because Beveridge is a better coach. It’s about opportunity, Kennedy knowing he is on his last chance as a footballer, and luck that Bont and Treloar were both injured early in the season.

I'm sorry? Kennedy's season is light years better than Cerra's.

 

[myblueroan]

Top 5
C Scott
C McRae
D Hardwick
A Kingsley
S Mitchell

Next group
K Hinkley
L Beveridge
C Fagan
R Lyon
S Goodwin

The rest …

I would rate Clarkson as still in the top group but he’s been a total failure at NM. Probably says a fair bit about what’s crucial to success - players are much more important.

Gee you under rate Fagan.
Deserves your top shelf group. I'd have Mitchell above Kingsley. And Hardwick above McCrae.

 

[JJBagger]

Top 5
C Scott
C McRae
D Hardwick
A Kingsley
S Mitchell

Next group
K Hinkley
L Beveridge
C Fagan
R Lyon
S Goodwin

The rest …

I would rate Clarkson as still in the top group but he’s been a total failure at NM. Probably says a fair bit about what’s crucial to success - players are much more important.

How did I miss this post? Kingsley above Mitchell, Bevo, Fagan and even Lyon? He’s had an abundance of talent the last few years for just 2 finals wins. He’s proven absolutely nothing to be above those guys

 

[blue healer]

Gee you under rate Fagan.
Deserves your top shelf group. I'd have Mitchell above Kingsley. And Hardwick above McCrae.

Yeah, I'd have Mitchell higher and would add Fagan as well as B Scott and Bevo, jury still out on Kingsley IMO.

And whilst i don't like the man at all it's a bit harsh to leave Clarko out,

 

[Gabagool]

I'm sorry? Kennedy's season is light years better than Cerra's.

The stats say otherwise:

Adam Cerra and Matthew Kennedy AFL Stats Comparison

Adam Cerra and Matthew Kennedy AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Very close on all metrics, with Cez slightly ahead in possessions, intercepts and metres gained. Kennedy slightly ahead in clearances and score involvements.

 

[myblueroan]

Yeah, I'd have Mitchell higher and would add Fagan as well as B Scott and Bevo, jury still out on Kingsley IMO.

And whilst i don't like the man at all it's a bit harsh to leave Clarko out,

Didn't notice Clarko missing
Wouldn't have B.Scott in top group and couldn't put Clarko in there if we talk current coaches. All time- different story.
So Kingsley out of Top 5 and Fagan in.

Not gonna bother past top 5

C. Scott
D. Hardwick
C. Fagan
S.Mitchell
C. McCrae

 

[blue healer]

Didn't notice Clarko missing
Wouldn't have B.Scott in top group and couldn't put Clarko in there if we talk current coaches. All time- different story.
So Kingsley out of Top 5 and Fagan in.

Not gonna bother past top 5

C. Scott
D. Hardwick
C. Fagan
S.Mitchell
C. McCrae

Yeah, probably should be a top ten with the last 5 irrelevant

 

[myblueroan]

Yeah, probably should be a top ten with the last 5 irrelevant

Go on then...