Preview 2025 Round 18 Carlton vs Brisbane Thursday 10th July 7:30PM AEST @ Marvel Stadium

[Aphrodite]

Team is in …

AFL team selection: Two changes for Lions clash

Carlton have made two changes ahead of their Round 18 clash with the Lions.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[kreuze_missile]

I Cant stand the bloody music they play after every goal kicked.

I like it. Bit of personality is good for the game. Counnntrryyy roadssssss...

But it wouldn't add much to a Carlton home game given we'd only be playing 8 fifteen second clips in 3.5 hours.

Few of our forwards don't even need to worry about picking a song

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

So ridiculous we could have had an extra pick during the MSD. What a clown show.

Worked so well rushing Doc back in a final didn't it, what's that saying fool me once.....

Seriously. Many of us called out this utter stupidity re: Newman at the time. Flynn Riley could be sitting safely on the Carlton list right now, but instead we will have to roll the dice at the draft, and probably end up 'reaching' with an earlier pick out of fear that we'll lose him altogether.

 

[juzza316]

I like it. Bit of personality is good for the game. Counnntrryyy roadssssss...

But it wouldn't add much to a Carlton home game given we'd only be playing 8 fifteen second clips in 3.5 hours.

Few of our forwards don't even need to worry about picking a song

They should all by default have Green Day - Wake me up when September ends play.

 

[JJBagger]

Seriously. Many of us called out this utter stupidity re: Newman at the time. Flynn Riley could be sitting safely on the Carlton list right now, but instead we will have to roll the dice at the draft, and probably end up 'reaching' with an earlier pick out of fear that we'll lose him altogether.

Wasn’t stupidity at all. It was a calculated risk that hasn’t paid off (yet - we may still end up with him). If we were still challenging for finals, Newman would 100% be in contention to play, and he would be of massive assistance. It’s a risk that took balls to make, and it hasn’t worked out, doesn’t mean it was stupid

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Wasn’t stupidity at all. It was a calculated risk that hasn’t paid off (yet - we may still end up with him). If we were still challenging for finals, Newman would 100% be in contention to play, and he would be of massive assistance. It’s a risk that took balls to make, and it hasn’t worked out, doesn’t mean it was stupid

Which part of the 0-4 start suggested Newman would at any stage be tuning up for a finals campaign? Team has looked putrid all year, including in the weeks/days leading up to the mid-season draft, when another list spot could have been opened up.

 

[JJBagger]

Which part of the 0-4 start suggested Newman would at any stage be tuning up for a finals campaign? Team has looked putrid all year, including in the weeks/days leading up to the mid-season draft, when another list spot could have been opened up.

Ummm, the fact we were mathematically still able to make finals? We were 1 game out of the 8 a month ago. I hope the club never adopts this “oh well, we are 0-4, guess we aren’t making finals” mentality - cause that is loser mentality if I have ever seen it

 

[dumb]

From a neutral POV I don’t really understand the pile on for Doch?

I watch him fairly closely from a fantasy perspective and he seems to be the only one on the ground busting a gut to provide an option and run from behind.

A few of his disposals weren’t up to scratch but he’s consistently one of the only ones trying

his first few games this year were probably the worst he's ever played. not hitting targets by hand or foot, avoiding body contact, and a noted dump-kicker. he has improved somewhat as the year has gone on. his numbers have gotten better.
but he's a shadow of the player he was. some of his teammates are having stinky years too, but this isn't the first year we've seen docherty underperform. guys like weitering, curnow, cripps, you'd back to turn it around. hopefully.

 

[Jimmae]

Seriously. Many of us called out this utter stupidity re: Newman at the time. Flynn Riley could be sitting safely on the Carlton list right now, but instead we will have to roll the dice at the draft, and probably end up 'reaching' with an earlier pick out of fear that we'll lose him altogether.

While I wanted us to make another pick (2, in fact), I don't see any reason why Flynn Riley will get picked up in either draft.

If he has a good preseason with us, we'll take him via the SSP mechanism.

 

[CaptainCharisma]

Have the coaching staff and MC conceded finals are no longer an option this season?

If they don’t start picking the future side, rather than trying to prove the current one can turn it around if we just keep doing the same thing and the result will change, then they will become too hard to watch.

We kind of have been though. Last week they picked HOF to play instead of L Young which is definitely a future-focused decision that I would argue backfired as Collingwood kept playing through his man.
I don't think it was a good idea to play the kid without both JSOS and Weitering in the team to support him. Even though Weiters has been awful this year.

Last week we had:
Motlop - 21y, 7mo - 56 games
O Hollands - 21y, 5m - 58 games
Cowan - 20y, 7m - 31 games
Lord - 20y 3m - 17 games
Moir - 20y 2m - 4 games
Carroll - 19y 7m - 10 games
O'Farrell - 19y 2m - 2 games

He's not 21 or under but 2nd gamer Flynn Young was the sub.
From the other 21 or younger players we have had L Camporeale, O'Keefe, White, Binns and Wilson play in the senior team.

I am firmly in the sakc Voss camp but I think he is hamstrung at selection at the moment because if we tip over to too many kids playing at the same time we start losing by 20+ goals and it won't help development at all.

The senior players have been diabolical. If we were getting some sort of decent output from our leaders, we may be able to shuffle out some more underperforming role players for a couple more kids.

Cripps, Charlie and Weitering have had career worst seasons at the same time.
Harry has largely been unavailable.
Doc is cooked.
TDK has checked out.

I am actually not sure where we can turn for selection. It is grim.

 

[Jabba73]

We kind of have been though. Last week they picked HOF to play instead of L Young which is definitely a future-focused decision that I would argue backfired as Collingwood kept playing through his man.
I don't think it was a good idea to play the kid without both JSOS and Weitering in the team to support him. Even though Weiters has been awful this year.

Last week we had:
Motlop - 21y, 7mo - 56 games
O Hollands - 21y, 5m - 58 games
Cowan - 20y, 7m - 31 games
Lord - 20y 3m - 17 games
Moir - 20y 2m - 4 games
Carroll - 19y 7m - 10 games
O'Farrell - 19y 2m - 2 games

He's not 21 or under but 2nd gamer Flynn Young was the sub.
From the other 21 or younger players we have had L Camporeale, O'Keefe, White, Binns and Wilson play in the senior team.

I am firmly in the sakc Voss camp but I think he is hamstrung at selection at the moment because if we tip over to too many kids playing at the same time we start losing by 20+ goals and it won't help development at all.

The senior players have been diabolical. If we were getting some sort of decent output from our leaders, we may be able to shuffle out some more underperforming role players for a couple more kids.

Cripps, Charlie and Weitering have had career worst seasons at the same time.
Harry has largely been unavailable.
Doc is cooked.
TDK has checked out.

I am actually not sure where we can turn for selection. It is grim.

We keep dropping the kids, theirs isn't the effort we have been lacking.

Wilson gets one game, then gone (same as Moir in round one), others are in and out instead of getting 3-4 games to settle. If they do get an extended run without starting on the bench, they are the first subbed out even when busting a gut (Lord on multiple occasions).

Back the kids, there are several senior players that will not be part of our next premiership, even if it happens in the next couple of years.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

We kind of have been though. Last week they picked HOF to play instead of L Young which is definitely a future-focused decision that I would argue backfired as Collingwood kept playing through his man.
I don't think it was a good idea to play the kid without both JSOS and Weitering in the team to support him. Even though Weiters has been awful this year.

Last week we had:
Motlop - 21y, 7mo - 56 games
O Hollands - 21y, 5m - 58 games
Cowan - 20y, 7m - 31 games
Lord - 20y 3m - 17 games
Moir - 20y 2m - 4 games
Carroll - 19y 7m - 10 games
O'Farrell - 19y 2m - 2 games

He's not 21 or under but 2nd gamer Flynn Young was the sub.
From the other 21 or younger players we have had L Camporeale, O'Keefe, White, Binns and Wilson play in the senior team.

I am firmly in the sakc Voss camp but I think he is hamstrung at selection at the moment because if we tip over to too many kids playing at the same time we start losing by 20+ goals and it won't help development at all.

The senior players have been diabolical. If we were getting some sort of decent output from our leaders, we may be able to shuffle out some more underperforming role players for a couple more kids.

Cripps, Charlie and Weitering have had career worst seasons at the same time.
Harry has largely been unavailable.
Doc is cooked.
TDK has checked out.

I am actually not sure where we can turn for selection. It is grim.

Throw in Acres & Cerra becoming a liability by foot - outside runners like Cottrell, E Hollands and Smith essentially missing the season and Kemp missing most of the season.

Hollands has taken some real steps forward this year, Cowan was super impressive on Friday night and Moir could be our perfect centre clearance - push forward type while the others you have listed have shown enough to persist with

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Ummm, the fact we were mathematically still able to make finals? We were 1 game out of the 8 a month ago. I hope the club never adopts this “oh well, we are 0-4, guess we aren’t making finals” mentality - cause that is loser mentality if I have ever seen it

Loser mentality is hoping that an underdone, old senior player might be back just in time for a finals campaign that could only be described as a 'pipe dream'. We were never making finals, a good club would have been honest with themselves and had the courage to make a decision for the future.

 

[Jimmae]

Loser mentality is hoping that an underdone, old senior player might be back just in time for a finals campaign that could only be described as a 'pipe dream'. We were never making finals, a good club would have been honest with themselves and had the courage to make a decision for the future.

I still believe we could have made finals this year, perhaps even top 4.

What I didn't expect is that between Inness and Wright, we would continue to be this delusional about player rotation and lack of speed/skills to ensure high quality ball use on the first option and smarter pressuring of the opposition. How we went into the first game against Richmond was absurd, and the self-hammering just continued from there.

We pinned our entire season on Kemp forward, Jack back, and Jagga into the midfield. It was crazy. It was Voss.

 

[Red_man2008]

You should see some of the responses to the latest carltonFC post on Twitter about VIP experience give away for this Thursday.

 

[Michael Jezz]

We kind of have been though. Last week they picked HOF to play instead of L Young which is definitely a future-focused decision that I would argue backfired as Collingwood kept playing through his man.
I don't think it was a good idea to play the kid without both JSOS and Weitering in the team to support him. Even though Weiters has been awful this year.

Last week we had:
Motlop - 21y, 7mo - 56 games
O Hollands - 21y, 5m - 58 games
Cowan - 20y, 7m - 31 games
Lord - 20y 3m - 17 games
Moir - 20y 2m - 4 games
Carroll - 19y 7m - 10 games
O'Farrell - 19y 2m - 2 games

He's not 21 or under but 2nd gamer Flynn Young was the sub.
From the other 21 or younger players we have had L Camporeale, O'Keefe, White, Binns and Wilson play in the senior team.

I am firmly in the sakc Voss camp but I think he is hamstrung at selection at the moment because if we tip over to too many kids playing at the same time we start losing by 20+ goals and it won't help development at all.

The senior players have been diabolical. If we were getting some sort of decent output from our leaders, we may be able to shuffle out some more underperforming role players for a couple more kids.

Cripps, Charlie and Weitering have had career worst seasons at the same time.
Harry has largely been unavailable.
Doc is cooked.
TDK has checked out.

I am actually not sure where we can turn for selection. It is grim.

It is interesting but I don't believe Evans gives more than Lucas Camporeale
Fogarty gives more than Lemmey
Acres gives more than Ben Camporeale
Motlop spell in the 2s for Flynn Young

 

[SurreyBlue]

I really need to get onto social media sites like twitter…..actually no I don’t.

 

[Red_man2008]

I really need to get onto social media sites like twitter…..actually no I don’t.

It’s just big footy for everything outside of footy plus more footy if you need it.

 

[CCurnow3picks]

We kind of have been though. Last week they picked HOF to play instead of L Young which is definitely a future-focused decision that I would argue backfired as Collingwood kept playing through his man.
I don't think it was a good idea to play the kid without both JSOS and Weitering in the team to support him. Even though Weiters has been awful this year.

Last week we had:
Motlop - 21y, 7mo - 56 games
O Hollands - 21y, 5m - 58 games
Cowan - 20y, 7m - 31 games
Lord - 20y 3m - 17 games
Moir - 20y 2m - 4 games
Carroll - 19y 7m - 10 games
O'Farrell - 19y 2m - 2 games

He's not 21 or under but 2nd gamer Flynn Young was the sub.
From the other 21 or younger players we have had L Camporeale, O'Keefe, White, Binns and Wilson play in the senior team.

I am firmly in the sakc Voss camp but I think he is hamstrung at selection at the moment because if we tip over to too many kids playing at the same time we start losing by 20+ goals and it won't help development at all.

The senior players have been diabolical. If we were getting some sort of decent output from our leaders, we may be able to shuffle out some more underperforming role players for a couple more kids.

Cripps, Charlie and Weitering have had career worst seasons at the same time.
Harry has largely been unavailable.
Doc is cooked.
TDK has checked out.

I am actually not sure where we can turn for selection. It is grim.

Your Charisma is wearing thin, Captain!

 

[Schoonerman]

It is interesting but I don't believe Evans gives more than Lucas Camporeale
Fogarty gives more than Lemmey
Acres gives more than Ben Camporeale
Motlop spell in the 2s for Flynn Young

You are comparing apples with oranges

 

[JJBagger]

It’s just big footy for everything outside of footy plus more footy if you need it.

It’s BigFooty if the collective IQ was lowered by about 50%

 

[Baxter Wolf]

Custer Time.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

We kind of have been though. Last week they picked HOF to play instead of L Young which is definitely a future-focused decision that I would argue backfired as Collingwood kept playing through his man.
I don't think it was a good idea to play the kid without both JSOS and Weitering in the team to support him. Even though Weiters has been awful this year.

Last week we had:
Motlop - 21y, 7mo - 56 games
O Hollands - 21y, 5m - 58 games
Cowan - 20y, 7m - 31 games
Lord - 20y 3m - 17 games
Moir - 20y 2m - 4 games
Carroll - 19y 7m - 10 games
O'Farrell - 19y 2m - 2 games

He's not 21 or under but 2nd gamer Flynn Young was the sub.
From the other 21 or younger players we have had L Camporeale, O'Keefe, White, Binns and Wilson play in the senior team.

I am firmly in the sakc Voss camp but I think he is hamstrung at selection at the moment because if we tip over to too many kids playing at the same time we start losing by 20+ goals and it won't help development at all.

The senior players have been diabolical. If we were getting some sort of decent output from our leaders, we may be able to shuffle out some more underperforming role players for a couple more kids.

Cripps, Charlie and Weitering have had career worst seasons at the same time.
Harry has largely been unavailable.
Doc is cooked.
TDK has checked out.

I am actually not sure where we can turn for selection. It is grim.

I am not sure the young players are the reason we are getting pumped to be honest. Power has them playing a good running game, and then they come into the old boy's club, with a different game plan due to the predominance of inside midfielders, and the old boys are playing cautious, slowing the ball down, and sharing the ball amongst each other. They don't look for the youngsters, don't trust the youngsters and don't support the youngsters when they are under siege. They're all playing for themselves currently.

 

[Red_man2008]

I am not sure the young players are the reason we are getting pumped to be honest. Power has them playing a good running game, and then they come into the old boy's club, with a different game plan due to the predominance of inside midfielders, and the old boy's are playing cautious, slowing the ball down, and sharing the ball amongst each other. They don't look for the youngsters, don't trust the youngsters and don't support the youngsters when they are under siege. They're all playing for themselves currently.

POTY

 

[DirtyLeeds]

If you're going to use 'old west' analogies, I'd probably rather Sherman's March to the Sea....than circling the wagons

 

[Gavstar]

Wasn’t stupidity at all. It was a calculated risk that hasn’t paid off (yet - we may still end up with him). If we were still challenging for finals, Newman would 100% be in contention to play, and he would be of massive assistance. It’s a risk that took balls to make, and it hasn’t worked out, doesn’t mean it was stupid

The history around us bringing back injured players early and it not paying off would suggest that this was attempting to bet against the odds especially around this type of injury.

Jeremy Laidler anyone?

Why doesn’t the club play it safe with injuries instead it appears to me we keep taking shortcuts?

Who thought in Footy Dept thought we would be in with a chance in finals by the time of MSD? Delusional or in the blow up everything to save Voss (short term success mode)?