Preview Round 19 v Bulldogs @ Gabba, Friday 7:40pm

[euler]

The 'potential to cause injury' should only be applied when the act itself is illegal.

Trip a player but avoid doing any real damage... that's just good luck, and you should be assessed on 'potential to cause injury' rather than strictly on the actual outcome.

Sling a player into the turf... potential to cause injury.

Push a player face first into a marking contest... potential to cause injury.

The bump itself however is still a legal act on the footy field (as the AFL is at pains to point out whenever people claim 'the bump is dead', 'the game is going soft' etc). They have said ONLY that you will be held accountable for any injury or damage it causes... that is, if you elect to bump, you can no longer claim any injury was due to it being "accidental" or "unintended".

In this case, Bailey is 100% responsible for the impact to Haynes' head... if Haynes was concussed, he would have got 3-4 weeks and I doubt any reasonable person would have argued that was not the 'correct' decision under current rules.
However Haynes was not concussed and barely any head high contact was made (you see player's grab their head/face 20 times a game without the contact being considered 'medium') and so he cannot be held responsible for the 'potential' for the head high contact to have been more forceful than it was? If you want to argue it was a free kick, that is fine... again, minimal head high contact was made which Bailey, by electing to bump, is responsible for. But it is not medium impact and it cannot be 'upgraded' to medium on the 'potential to cause injury'.

 

[M Malice]

The 'potential to cause injury' should only be applied when the act itself is illegal.

Trip a player but avoid doing any real damage... that's just good luck, and you should be assessed on 'potential to cause injury' rather than strictly on the actual outcome.

Sling a player into the turf... potential to cause injury.

Push a player face first into a marking contest... potential to cause injury.

The bump itself however is still a legal act on the footy field (as the AFL is at pains to point out whenever people claim 'the bump is dead', 'the game is going soft' etc). They have said ONLY that you will be held accountable for any injury or damage it causes... that is, if you elect to bump, you can no longer claim any injury was due to it being "accidental" or "unintended".

In this case, Bailey is 100% responsible for the impact to Haynes' head... if Haynes was concussed, he would have got 3-4 weeks and I doubt any reasonable person would have argued that was not the 'correct' decision under current rules.
However Haynes was not concussed and barely any head high contact was made (you see player's grab their head/face 20 times a game without the contact being considered 'medium') and so he cannot be held responsible for the 'potential' for the head high contact to have been more forceful than it was? If you want to argue it was a free kick, that is fine... again, minimal head high contact was made which Bailey, by electing to bump, is responsible for. But it is not medium impact and it cannot be 'upgraded' to medium on the 'potential to cause injury'.

Quality musing, 4 posts in 16 years, you need to post more often euler.

 

[Denno]

Will be interesting to see how the team lines up tomorrow with Bailey and Answorth out.

AnswErth!

 

[Nathan Barley]

If Bailey was tackling and there was an accidental head clash would he have been suspended?

Or if there was a knee to the head taking a mark?

 

[M Malice]

Harley Reid a fine for a blatant kick/trip

 

[Section 5]

If Bailey was tackling and there was an accidental head clash would he have been suspended?

NO

 

[Pride of lions]

Harley Reid a fine for a blatant kick/trip

I would have thought that Reid’s kicking action had the ‘potential to cause injury’ more than Bailey’s innocuous bump. And there are many acts on the football field which have the potential to cause injury. The tribunal and MRO have always cherry picked their reasons for suspending players without any obvious consistency. And it only seems to be getting worse. The media also seem to have a big influence on who gets cited,the ‘nothing to see here’ defence that some players and teams always get from their media supporters,Sam Darcy being the latest.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

You've gotta love lawyers don't you.

I'm quite confident I could mount a legal case for rubbing someone out for brushing past an opponent and the change in wind shift bowling him over.

Yes a change in wind. Thats it.
One could say a teeth chattering westerly wind.
That would of been handy a few years ago lol.
We'll use that next time.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

Seriously how can the AFL get shit so wrong, you can only argue biased. Reid kicks someone- nothing, Jackson the filthy little rat from Port knees Zork in the ribs and Darcy could have ended someone’s year but Bailey gets the suspension because an injury may have happened. It is almost amusing how incompetent the morons at the tribunal are. Even Tom Lynch, cannot stomach the bloke but 5 weeks- WHAT, it was an open hand, so because it brushed the head causing no injury it 5, Darcy uses same action to the ribs, causes serious injury and nothing. Christ almighty.

 

[ZoBlitz]

AFL has always been lenient on trips for whatever reason, despite the potential for injury. Dustin Fletcher

Dustin Fletcher

Age

50

Ht

198cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.0

4star

K

12.3

5star

HB

3.7

3star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.2

3star

MG

301.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

14.2

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

2.8

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

used to get fined for it every season it seemed.

 

[MSB ROYS]

Seriously how can the AFL get shit so wrong, you can only argue biased. Reid kicks someone- nothing, Jackson the filthy little rat from Port knees Zork in the ribs and Darcy could have ended someone’s year but Bailey gets the suspension because an injury may have happened. It is almost amusing how incompetent the morons at the tribunal are. Even Tom Lynch, cannot stomach the bloke but 5 weeks- WHAT, it was an open hand, so because it brushed the head causing no injury it 5, Darcy uses same action to the ribs, causes serious injury and nothing. Christ almighty.

Trying to understand the AFL without turning into a conspiracy theorist is difficult. Or maybe they are just incompetent. Both can be true.

 

[Perrip]

Current 7 day weather forecast has fine all the way though till next Monday except for Friday, evening is 40% chance of rain, fingers crossed the bureau is wrong again.

Might be similar to the Geelong game at the Gabba earlier this year, cloudy and showers all day and then drizzling/fine when the game starts

 

[wantok]

Time for Fletcher to move back to a more midfield role. Straight swap for Bailey. Gardiner to stay at halfback.Bruce and Beeken the 2 ins. I'm sticking with Oscar and Fort. I just think we need the height this week. If Oscar is a doubt we bring in Day.

 

[M Malice]

Time for Fletcher to move back to a more midfield role. Straight swap for Bailey. Gardiner to stay at halfback.Bruce and Beeken the 2 ins. I'm sticking with Oscar and Fort. I just think we need the height this week. If Oscar is a doubt we bring in Day.

Agree, even though Jaspa is great in the back 7 IMO he is more valuable as an elite winger who gets back to help out in defence.

I wouldn't be playing Oscar this Friday night, he looked way short of AFL standard to me v the Blues, he could barely bend over. Sam Day straight back in for O, Sam offers more down the line for the bale out kick and is probably superior as a relief ruck at the moment as well.

Would be happy with McKenna or Beecken in to play down back.

Huge game this one re top 2-4 chances, lose and we could even be under pressure to drop out of the 8 with the Suns and Magpies away the next 2 games.

 

[Lazza16]

Seriously how can the AFL get shit so wrong, you can only argue biased. Reid kicks someone- nothing, Jackson the filthy little rat from Port knees Zork in the ribs and Darcy could have ended someone’s year but Bailey gets the suspension because an injury may have happened. It is almost amusing how incompetent the morons at the tribunal are. Even Tom Lynch, cannot stomach the bloke but 5 weeks- WHAT, it was an open hand, so because it brushed the head causing no injury it 5, Darcy uses same action to the ribs, causes serious injury and nothing. Christ almighty.

SWANN to the rescueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[BuntonRules]

At the end of the day - he chose to bump, and made high contact. Its harsh but the rules are pretty clear on this.

I have no problem with the verdict. He was never going to win the ball - his only intention was to bump, with the potential for head contact.

Harley Reid I have a real issue with. That act has never been acceptable in the history of our game.

 

[Whatamark]

I have no problem with the verdict. He was never going to win the ball - his only intention was to bump, with the potential for head contact.

Harley Reid I have a real issue with. That act has never been acceptable in the history of our game.

All true - but it's the inconsistency and the fact the 'pets' get taken care of. Personally still enraged over Cripps vs Ah Chee.
A real "leader" would have accepted the suspension despite the Brownlow.

 

[Dalions]

I have no problem with the verdict. He was never going to win the ball - his only intention was to bump, with the potential for head contact.

Harley Reid I have a real issue with. That act has never been acceptable in the history of our game.

Personally I think the choice to bump was only made after Haynes fumbled the ball otherwise he would have tackled.

 

[Dalions]

After a 5 day turnaround into Carlton, this game really seems to be taking forever to arrive.

 

[Gadzorks]

Hey guys,

I'm hoping someone here can put me in contact with someone who's close to Noah Answerth.

My son was lucky enough to present Noah with his Grand Final medal and I was hoping to get Noah to sign a photo of that moment so I can frame it and present it to my son for Christmas. If anyone can assist, please send me a PM.

Really sad to see him get injured last week. We wish him a successful recovery and hopefully he's back in the early stages of next season to assist your defence.

Great timing - I'm sure the reminder and request will bring a smile to his face. He deserves that.

 

[Gadzorks]

Fox Footy power rankings article this morning says Lions 2025 draw might be the hardest draw of all time. Potentially 3xTop 4 double ups and 6xTop 10 double ups.

Makes our current ladder position even more impressive.

That's the sort of thing that can motivate a team. Throw the kitchen sink at us, we still got it.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Makes our current ladder position even more impressive.

That's the sort of thing that can motivate a team. Throw the kitchen sink at us, we still got it.

If we maintain it?

The hard part is still to come

 

[Perrip]

Noah Answerth’s misfortune could lead to an AFL debut for Luke Beecken

“We’ve got some really good players in the VFL that are going superbly, especially on that half-back line." “We’ve got Shadeau Brain who also played a few (AFL) games last year, and we’ve got another young kid named Luke Beecken, who I’ve been working really closely with, that’s having a really breakout season in the VFL.” [Zorko]
Beecken, 24, joined the Lions in last year’s mid-season rookie draft from SANFL outfit Woodville-West Torrens.
Lions triple premiership-winning star Alastair Lynch said Friday’s game would be a good chance to blood Beecken at AFL level, and that there was no rush to bring Coleman back after having played only one game of top-flight football since rupturing his anterior cruciate ligament in his knee in March last year.

 

[Nunez]

Noah Answerth’s misfortune could lead to an AFL debut for Luke Beecken

Beeckens time to shine. Kid is a talent and the perfect age to bring in.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Beeckens time to shine. Kid is a talent and the perfect age to bring in.

Suits our “new” handballing game as well with his overlap run