Preview Round 19 v Bulldogs @ Gabba, Friday 7:40pm

[The Zork]

Fresh out of words to describe the tribunal.

 

[CarterS]

Fresh out of words to describe the tribunal.

I can think of a couple!

 

[Tom14]

At the end of the day - he chose to bump, and made high contact. Its harsh but the rules are pretty clear on this.

 

[dlanod]

At the end of the day - he chose to bump, and made high contact. Its harsh but the rules a pretty clear on this.

The only hope we had was saying that there was no high contact, and that was infeasible.

 

[Paul Mac]

At the end of the day - he chose to bump, and made high contact. Its harsh but the rules are pretty clear on this.

And Harley Reid chose to throw a leg out and trip up Travis Boak which could have caused serious injury to his leg. I thought the rules would have been pretty clear on this incident to be honest but no.

 

[martinson]

I'm a bit confused.

I thought it was the outcome that did you in on these sorts of cases.

It's the most aggressive thing Bails has done in his career and wouldn't have hurt a fly.

One can only imagine if this was a Collingwood player that copped a week for that.

Ffs Maynard got off for ending a bloke's career.

 

[Tom14]

And Harley Reid chose to throw a leg out and trip up Travis Boak which could have caused serious injury to his leg. I thought the rules would have been pretty clear on this incident to be honest but no.

Harley should have been suspended. But from a legal liability perspective being seen to do something on concussion is miles more important for the AFL.

It sucks that we have such a blunt approach, but I'm yet to hear what the alternative is.

 

[Perrip]

Damm it -he misses this week.

From Zita:

Reasons:
We find impact was medium. Although Haynes suffered no injury, the impact to his head was evidently forceful, causing pain to the jaw.
His head whiplashed down forcefully into Bailey as a result of the bump and that is commonly occurs with a forceful bump to the body.
The guidelines, while only directory in nature, do provide that any high bump which constitutes rough conduct that has the potential to cause injury will usually be graded at a minimum as medium impact, even though the extent of the actual physical impact may be low.
We note that this only addresses what the usual grading will be, but we do not see any of the aspects of this high bump to take it outside the usual range of high bumps.
The Lions submitted contact was predominantly to the body and that Bailey stayed low.
This is true, but as we've noted, it's precisely this sort of bump that can result in a whipping of the opponent's head into the head or body of the bumping player.
Bailey took several steps before colliding with Haynes and knocked him off his feet.
The impact was not truly glancing, and the contact to the head was not minor or incidental, it had the potential to cause concussion or a facial injury.
We were taken to examples … in our view none of the comparisons are vastly similar, either because of the momentum, the force of impact, or the extent to which the impact was glancing.
In any event, we're not bound by previous decisions of the MRO or Tribunal, and while it is not possible to say with certainty how we would have graded those other incidents - noting that we only have the vision and do not and cannot conduct a mini-hearing in respect of the other incidents - it should not be assumed that we would have regarded the potential for injury in those matters as negligible, nor that we would have graded them as low impact.
In the end, Zac Bailey applied a forceful bump to Nick Haynes.
He knocked him off his feet, made forceful contact to his head, causing pain to Haynes’ jaw.
It had the potential to cause an injury and we regard it as medium impact.

 

[Section 5]

Yet to see a single person in the media or anywhere say that they think a week is justified for that action.

The way the citing works Bailey fit the criteria and got the week.
I am sure others thought it was worth a week under the set-out procedure.
I for one did.
Equally others thought he was a bit unlucky to get a week.
Thats like a lot of suspensions some people want more, others less.
Most Lions supporters could find a way to see it did not deserve a week maybe a fine to smarten him up.
But that is just putting on your Lions cap and seeing what you wish to see.

Justified is reasonable and acceptable decision.

We have to move on, just like we do with the season injury to Answerth.
At least Bailey is back fresh for the Suns game.

 

[martinson]

From Zita:

You've gotta love lawyers don't you.

I'm quite confident I could mount a legal case for rubbing someone out for brushing past an opponent and the change in wind shift bowling him over.

 

[Elixuh]

From Zita:

The medium impact was basically entirely because he clutched his jaw for a free.

 

[Elixuh]

We need to call the AFLs bluff and name ZB this week. There’s nothing they can do, we’re premiers.

 

[KissKiss]

The medium impact was basically entirely because he clutched his jaw for a free.

It's consistent with the rules but when they choose to apply the "potential to cause injury" seems completely random.

 

[martinson]

It's consistent with the rules but when they choose to apply the "potential to cause injury" seems completely random.

Why do I get the feeling that a lot of these decisions are made from behind closed doors coming from the top ?

The AFL has form for this dating back to the time Demetriou was appointed 2IC.

 

[Paul Mac]

Harley should have been suspended. But from a legal liability perspective being seen to do something on concussion is miles more important for the AFL.

It sucks that we have such a blunt approach, but I'm yet to hear what the alternative is.

The alternative is every AFL player signs a document that if they receive an accidental concussion from a bump then that's just playing AFL. Accidents do happen. If we are talking legality terms everyone signs off that accidents can happen in our game. Direct bumps to the head are a different story and will cop massive penalties.

 

[Viceregal]

Don't really care what the rules are for suspensions etc ... what I care about is that they are not applied without prejudice (see above comments re Daicos, Tripper Reid, Darcy Lungcrusher etc)

Conversely I already knew it was an uneven playing field and if competition integrity was my tipping point I would have dumped it many years ago...

 

[twhowler]

From memory after Charlie got off he had a shocker in the wet against the cats

Take the rest for bailey given his tight hammy

beecken gets his shot (i hope)

hoping for a really good gabba atmosphere on a friday night. been missing this year

 

[Tom14]

The alternative is every AFL player signs a document that if they receive an accidental concussion from a bump then that's just playing AFL. Accidents do happen. If we are talking legality terms everyone signs off that accidents can happen in our game. Direct bumps to the head are a different story and will cop massive penalties.

I'm no practicing lawyer but it does seem to me that contracts forced upon 18 year olds with that sort of clause might be slightly unenforceable.

 

[Clarkythelion]

Remember the days when Melbourne sold a home game to the Gabba for a few years until the AFL stepped in and cited concerns around competition integrity? Good times

I think I recall it was a 5 year contract. St Kilda are in the same position now that Melbourne were in back then with low home crowds.

 

[Dalions]

Interesting that Ben Ainswerth brings up game 150 this week in the same weekend that Hughie brings up 200.
Ben was the other name thrown up as a possibility at our selection back in 2016.
Ben has been pretty durable but there is quite a gap.
So glad we chose Hugh in that draft class, he is a class above.
Berry the bonus.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

Interesting that Ben Ainswerth brings up game 150 and his week in the same weekend that Hughie brings up 200.
Ben was the other name thrown up as a possibility at our selection back in 2016.
Ben has been pretty durable but there is quite a gap.
So glad we chose Hugh in that draft class, he is a class above.
Berry the bonus.

16 finals probably helps Hugh out a little bit too!

 

[dlanod]

16 finals probably helps Hugh out a little bit too!

Still leaves Hugh with ~1.5 seasons more games played.

 

[M Malice]

The way the ultra professional players look after their bodies these days I'd be surprised if the next 5 years of Hugh McCluggage

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Hugh Mccluggage

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.3

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

D

19.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

's career are not his best.

If not already he clearly has the talent to be a consistent top 5 midfielder in the competition.

 

[martinson]

I'm no practicing lawyer but it does seem to me that contracts forced upon 18 year olds with that sort of clause might be slightly unenforceable.

And likely reflect very poorly and invite even greater legal scrutiny when it backfires.

 

[StevoJenkins]

Will be interesting to see how the team lines up tomorrow with Bailey and Answorth out.