Recommitted Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera - two year extension

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

100% wrong. AFL is very concerned with teams taking the piss and using crappy picks for highly rated NGA and FS. Effectively the opposite of what you are saying, see the example I just provided showing it’s lala land thinking you can get your NGAs

That’s a completely different point of discussion to what my comment was in reference to. I’m saying that I doubt the AFL would prevent us from trading a F1 pick based on us not having used enough firsts across that 4 year gap if it’s confirmed we have access to Cochrane.

Then it’s up to the club if they commit to the NAS trade, we’d best be sure we have the pieces in place to ensure we can match the points if Cochrane goes 1 or 2 the following year. Which may mean we still need to lose a player for picks in a decent range. But we don’t have to have all those pieces ready and in place now to get NAS. We have another 12 months to get those ducks in a row.

 

[beside the seaside]

Yeah, because Chris Davies is totally the "list manager" and totally not Jamie Cripps.

You mistake me for someone who gives a shit

 

[beside the seaside]

Why not, they will be good picks, you might even get a couple of top 5 picks.

Delusion is thinking Nas will sign another contract with Saints next year. There is nothing st kilda can do to stop Nas from returning to Adelaide and play AFL next year.

I hope you get a couple of pick 1s, but more likely pick 5-8 x 2.

Lol so we should just hold out hope that Port finish bottom 6 the next two years? Keeping in mind you add Nas to the team.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Why not, they will be good picks, you might even get a couple of top 5 picks.

Delusion is thinking Nas will sign another contract with Saints next year. There is nothing st kilda can do to stop Nas from returning to Adelaide and play AFL next year.

I hope you get a couple of pick 1s, but more likely pick 5-8 x 2.

Literally everyone has said if a deal isnt feasible he will sign a 2 year extension with St Kilda

Thats probably the outcome here. He signs for 2 years and Port miss out

 

[LoBu]

Literally everyone has said if a deal isnt feasible he will sign a 2 year extension with St Kilda

Thats probably the outcome here. He signs for 2 years and Port miss out

I believe the AFL has to let an uncontracted player leave to the state he wants, and they would never want it tested in a court of law.

But hopefully you're right.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I believe the AFL has to let an uncontracted player leave to the state he wants, and they would never want it tested in a court of law.

But hopefully you're right.

I dont think NAS is that much of a soft**** to be honest. If he was that mentally weak he wouldnt be as good as he is right now

 

[LoBu]

Lol so we should just hold out hope that Port finish bottom 6 the next two years? Keeping in mind you add Nas to the team.

It's not a great outcome for the Saints

I dont think NAS is that much of a soft**** to be honest. If he was that mentally weak he wouldnt be as good as he is right now

We'll see i guess

 

[markm106]

It's quite funny seeing the Port list manager say they can get the deal done with 2026 and 2027 firsts. It seems the delusion goes all the way to the top.

Not saying that could or should be the deal. But if he nominates Port it could get messy. He’s uncontracted so it’s not like you can hold him.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Yeah, because Chris Davies is totally the "list manager" and totally not Jamie Cripps.

Not completely up on Ports reporting structure but isn't Chris Davies Jamie Jason Cripps boss?

I thought thats why he was talking about what might be involved if Butters was part of a trade.

 

[Chewy316]

Thought you may say that. The thing is though Power need points for both 2026, AND 2027 even more so with 2-3 FS and Zemes Pilot all being discussed by Port fans as first rounders.

Being in deficit the year (2027) where you don’t have a first round AND need to find points for multiple draftees is a recipe for disaster.

So lets run thru an example

Assumes Power have traded 2026 and 2027 first rounders for Nas but kept second rounders.
Power finishes 9th giving picks 10 (which you don’t have as traded)/pick 28/46
Valuations of players:
Cochrane 2026 pick 2 with 10% discount = 2,233

Pilot 2027 pick 8 with 10% discount = 1,299
Salopek 2027 pick 15 with 10% discount = 832
I won’t consider Rodan and the other guy to help your cause

If in 2026 and 2027 you only have your second and third rounders the values of points are 505 + 134 = 639

You can see already in 2026 that needing 2,233 for Cochrane and only having 639 points is you have a major problem. There are additional technicalities which I haven’t looked up which stops teams even being too far in deficit. You are wiped out in 2026 alone and can’t carry forward a “deficit” of 1,594 (2,233 less 639). Means you can’t afford either of the guys in 2027 even by using all your picks up. You MISS out on drafting Pilot and Salopek

Now the above is my genuine understanding on how things hence why I have been saying something need to give as it’s not doable currently

You make a few valid points here. At the same time, you also make a lot of assumptions. Specifically, presuming that all of Pilot, Salopek and Rodan will be first rounders in 27 months from now is the biggest. That is not to say it won't happen, but we have seen countless times when highly rated prospects at the ages of 15 and 16 flame out by the time they become draft eligible.

You're also making the assumption that Port won't trade anyone away for draft picks in the coming 3 off-seasons to help accumulate picks.

I'm not saying they can accomplish it all, but I'm not going to say at this point they can't either. There are too many variables in play to assume what may or may not happen in the next 3 off-seasons.

 

[pebblesofsand]

I believe the AFL has to let an uncontracted player leave to the state he wants, and they would never want it tested in a court of law.

But hopefully you're right.

A player can play whereever they like - nothing stopping any uncontracted player signing up for West Lakes - I hear they are looking for players.

If an uncontracted player signs up for the AFL draft, they do so in full knowledge that are also agreeing to play for whichever team selects them and meets their nominated conditions.

So no - absolutely zero threat of a court challenge succeeding.

 

[LoBu]

A player can play whereever they like - nothing stopping any uncontracted player signing up for West Lakes - I hear they are looking for players.

If an uncontracted player signs up for the AFL draft, they do so in full knowledge that are also agreeing to play for whichever team selects them and meets their nominated conditions.

So no - absolutely zero threat of a court challenge succeeding.

Fair enough, I'm no lawyer. But uncontracted is the key, the club has first right to make a deal, then the contract expires and that club is no longer involved. It's a crappy system.

 

[bzparkes]

Ports plan on asking the AFL to breach the rules on multiple occassions to get all of NAS, Cochrane and Rodan/Salopek is a shrewd tactic I think.

Maybe they can ask the AFL for priority pick assistance to get it done while they are at it?

Didn't they already break the rules for JHF?

 

[pebblesofsand]

Fair enough, I'm no lawyer. But uncontracted is the key, the club has first right to make a deal, then the contract expires and that club is no longer involved. It's a crappy system.

Nah it's just another sign of a crappy second rate competition masquerading as "professional".

Father/son, academy picks, uneven fixturing, players demanding big money but only on their terms - it's all a bit of a farce.

 

[TheJackal]

Yeah, because Chris Davies is totally the "list manager" and totally not Jamie Cripps.

Your list manager plays in the forward pocket for West Coast?

 

[stavro#4]

I believe the AFL has to let an uncontracted player leave to the state he wants, and they would never want it tested in a court of law.

But hopefully you're right.

These are the rules the AFLPA sign up to. There is no threat of any court or legal battle.

Uncontracted players head to the draft.

They want control of where they go, then free agency is what they need to wait for or they ensure the club they want to get to can get a deal done.

So it’s stay at the saints.
Port get a trade the saints are happy with done.

Or West coast North Richmond in the draft.

 

[The_Reaper]

These are the rules the AFLPA sign up to. There is no threat of any court or legal battle.

Uncontracted players head to the draft.

They want control of where they go, then free agency is what they need to wait for or they ensure the club they want to get to can get a deal done.

So it’s stay at the saints.
Port get a trade the saints are happy with done.

Or West coast North Richmond in the draft.

He doesn’t last to North in the draft

 

[stavro#4]

He doesn’t last to North in the draft

Agreed.

 

[Teflon]

And when you have brought in young talent like JHF and Nas for those picks and even Whitlock who was a 2nd that many considered to be first round quality that exemption is likely to be granted.

Oh ok well that’s it then ….all exemptions waived through cause it’s young talent coming in…..righto …missed the memo apologies !!

 

[banzai]

Why not, they will be good picks, you might even get a couple of top 5 picks.

Delusion is thinking Nas will sign another contract with Saints next year. There is nothing st kilda can do to stop Nas from returning to Adelaide and play AFL next year.

I hope you get a couple of pick 1s, but more likely pick 5-8 x 2.

2027 is the Tassie draft, surely picks that year are worth very little.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Assuming his NGA status is approved by the AFL, then all we need is to match the draft points.

Match the points with what exactly ? if you trade picks for nas , with the value points for picks changing next season would be incredibly to do without going into the biggest deficit ever seen for the following season

Going into points deficit in future years makes this a much easier option than you're postulating.

You can’t go into points deficit in the 27 draft if your planing on trading that first in the nas deal, unless butters leaves there is no way port can get nas and match bids on nga

 

[CarterS]

These convoluted scenarios that involve Port getting him for nothing are embarrassing.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Match the points with what exactly ? if you trade picks for nas , with the value points for picks changing next season would be incredibly to do without going into the biggest deficit ever seen for the following season

We’ve still got another 12 months after this trade period in which we can make further trades for points and draft position in 2026. It’s really not that hard to understand so don’t know why it continues to be raised. We don’t have to have every pick in place this year if we get access to Cochrane for next year. We can make further trades.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

We’ve still got another 12 months after this trade period in which we can make further trades for points and draft position in 2026. It’s really not that hard to understand so don’t know why it continues to be raised. We don’t have to have every pick in place this year if we get access to Cochrane for next year. We can make further trades.

With the change to the points structure if you don’t have a first round pick yoand with no first the following season Theres no room for a big deficit . And also take into account that you actually need to make three Picks at each draft ,

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

With the change to the points structure if you don’t have a first round pick yoand with no first the following season Theres no room for a big deficit . And also take into account that you actually need to make three Picks at each draft ,

You do realise there may be other players in 12 months time that request a trade or may be open to moving. We will be allowed to make trades in 2026 if need be…. We don’t have to have all those pieces locked into place 12 months in advance and clubs rarely do when it comes to matching points.