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Harley Reid extends to 2028

List Changes - 2025
  • Oscar Allen advises intention to explore Free Agency
  • Jayden Hunt announces retirement
  • Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
  • Liam Ryan has requested a trade to St Kilda but is contracted for 2026
  • Campbell Chesser (uncontracted) has requested a trade to Carlton
  • List would be 37 (31 main, 4 rookie, 2 Cat B)

Players out of Contract 2025 (5)
  • Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
  • Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
  • Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
  • (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

Provisional 2025 Draft order

Key Offseason Dates
Fri Oct 3 - Fri Oct 10: 2025 Free Agency Period
Mon Oct 6 - Wed Oct 15: 2025 AFL Trade Period
Wed Nov 19 - Thu Nov 20: 2025 AFL Draft
 
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Do you think we look at Elijah Hollands. Cleary can play at the level but has the off field stuff.

Don’t think we are in a position to put Mini and his staff in that scenario.
 
But the question is how to they land Curnow without giving up a decent player? They need points for academy kids this year and next so don’t have the picks to satisfy Carlton. Maybe the Blues would accept pick 1 or 2 which is where we get brought in. Swans have a good midfield but woeful key forwards so could they afford to lose Chad?

If they finish high on the ladder in 2 years time and Chad leaves as a FA they will only get a late first so maybe getting a gun key forward now is preferable. Would be a big call having just signed him so might have to come from Chad if he has reassessed after a poor year. Seems unlikely
Yep if Warner was still OOC and planning to sign with the Eagles this year it would’ve been a perfect scenario for Sydney. Replace Chad with Curnow. That high of a pick along with other stuff would’ve been too good for the Blues to keep a player at their club that doesn’t really want to be there.

They won’t push Chad now or even nudge him. Would have to be Chad that raises the possibility and that’s unlikely.
 
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Do you think we look at Elijah Hollands. Cleary can play at the level but has the off field stuff.

Don’t think we are in a position to put Mini and his staff in that scenario.
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I don't get it either. My guess is a lot of people on here have heard or known about Sharp for a lot longer, and have developed a bit of an emotional connection to him in some ways, and CDT praise is seen as a slight against Sharp or something......I dunno, maybe I'm over thinking it, but there is a huge disparity between the vast majority and this board when it comes to his standing


My biggest bug bear with your constant praise of CDT is that you cant see any of his flaws OR simply don't want to.
Any time you refute the criticism regarding him , you reply with a glib one liner, but never bother to give a more detailed reply.

How I see and rate the two player is as below.


CDT

His ground work and mobility are elite for a player his height plus he has a very good tank, both these attributes allow him to accumulate possessions numbers that are very impressive for a tall.

However I see two areas of real concern in his game and they are :

1. Ruck Work.

His ruck work is average, not diabolical but certainly nowhere near the level that I would be looking for, in a ruck prospect thats being taken so highly in the draft as you are proposing.
He competes and always given an effort but there were times in the Championships were he struggled against players who had a better ruck craft than he does.
He seems to have been far more impactful in the ruck in the Coates league than he was in the Championships and thats a concern.
When a player comes up against the best in his position, in the country, in his cohort and is touted as a top two draft pick in the draft, I would expect to see him at least soundly beat, if not dominate, his opponents in the contests.

2. Overhead Marking.

His overhead marking for a guy 200cm tall is also nothing special and while he positions himself well, he often fails to hold onto his overhead marks, his chest marking he is fine.
I first noticed this in the Coates League and then in the Championships.
The times when he did out mark defenders they were in the 191 - 194 height range. I took particular note of his game against Sandringham in the VFL and I though he struggled to have much of an impact in the overhead contested marking situations.
Acknowledged that he did kick three goals, two of which were as a result of his key point of difference, that being his ground ball work.
Whereas in the VFL he struggled badly to hold his ground in the marking contests against bigger defenders, as in more solid defenders, but no where near the height of the KPD that he will be against in the AFL.
I fail to see the talk of him at least being a good KPF as a second string to his bow in the AFL, it IMO just doesn't equate with what he has done and shown thus far.

By comparison Shanahan, in the VFL last year managed a to hold his marks and kick goals, see below his two games stats:

8 kicks 3 handballs 11 marks 2 goals 3 - against Gold coast
5 kicks 4 handballs 09 marks 5 goals 0 - against Coburg

Now maybe I am being harsh but a KPF / Ruck proposition thats being talked of as a prospective Number 1 pick, i'm sorry his production just doesn't stack up adequately to warrant such a high pick IMO.

Posters talk about how both his ruck craft and overhead marking can be developed once he is in an AFL system, sure there is some truth to that, as none of these kids are the finished product.
However the gap between where he currently is and where he needs to be, to be competitive in the AFL, are a long way apart.
If we talent bank him and put two - three years work into him, he MAY rise to the heights that we would hope for in a top 3 draft pick, but there is no guarantees.

Is a raw developing KPF/Ruck an immediate need for our list, It is but I would rather we take that player latter in the draft, someone like Ainsworth, Emmett, Murray or Harding.

CDT is a good kid also a good draft prospect that will go early, I just don't see him as a good fit for our needs right now.




Now to Sharp.

Sharp's shortcomings to his game are he lacks genuine pace and after he weaves his elite talent of being a ball extractor at the coal face, he isn't as hurtful around the ground as some of the better midfielders are, so acknowledged.

The other concern with him is just how much improvement does he have in his game, it's a valid concern, I can see that.

However I can also see a players who's skillset plays next year and makes an immediate contribution to our team.
He has had some really good games in the Central Districts seniors and he also has had some quieter ones too.
But he has not embarrassed himself or looked out of place in the seniors either.

One thing that is undeniable is that for two years in a row, he has dominated in his position against his cohort from across the country at both Under 16 and Under 18 levels.
He is consistent when playing against his cohort and consistency is an often under ratted quality in assessing talent.

Do I ever see him becoming a Brownlow medalist ? - NO, I don't, do I see him becoming a player in the mould of a Tom Liberatore ? - YES I do, and right where West Coast are at the minute, with our midfield depth, or lack thereof, a Liberatore type would be a God Send and improve us instantly.

Now you can by all means disagree with my opinions, no drama there, but the notion of me only liking the kid simply because I have seen more of him playing and therefore have an emotional attachment to him, is off the mark.

I try to see all the kids production amongst their cohort, and then try and project if they could hold that sort of form line going forward at the next level.

I see it with Sharp.
 
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Yeah knew there was issues. Others have turned it around like Stengle and even though he would be best 23 and right age profile I don’t think we are in the position to take a risk and have more distractions.
 
My biggest bug bear with your constant praise of CDT is that you cant see any of his flaws OR simply don't want to.
Any time you refute the criticism regarding him , you reply with a glib one liner, but never bother to give a more detailed reply.

How I see and rate the two player is as below.


CDT

His ground work and mobility are elite for a player his height plus he has a very good tank, both these attributes allow him to accumulate possessions numbers that are very impressive for a tall.

However I see two areas of real concern in his game and they are :

1. Ruck Work.

His ruck work is average, not diabolical but certainly nowhere near the level that I would be looking for, in a ruck prospect thats being taken so highly in the draft as you are proposing.
He competes and always given an effort but there were times in the Championships were he struggled against players who had a better ruck craft than he does.
He seems to have been far more impactful in the ruck in the Coates league than he was in the Championships and thats a concern.
When a player comes up against the best in his position, in the country, in his cohort and is touted as a top two draft pick in the draft, I would expect to see him at least soundly beat, if not dominate, his opponents in the contests.

2. Overhead Marking.

His overhead marking for a guy 200cm tall is also nothing special and while he positions himself well, he often fails to hold onto his overhead marks, his chest marking he is fine.
I first noticed this in the Coates League and then in the Championships.
The times when he did out mark defenders they were in the 191 - 194 height range. I took particular note of his game against Sandringham in the VFL and I though he struggled to have much of an impact in the overhead contested marking situations.
Acknowledged that he did kick three goals, two of which were as a result of his key point of difference, that being his ground ball work.
Whereas in the VFL he struggled badly to hold his ground in the marking contests against bigger defenders, as in more solid defenders, but no where near the height of the KPD that he will be against in the AFL.
I fail to see the talk of him at least being a good KPF as a second string to his bow in the AFL, it IMO just doesn't equate with what he has done and shown thus far.

By comparison Shanahan, in the VFL last year managed a to hold his marks and kick goals, see below his two games stats:

8 kicks 3 handballs 11 marks 2 goals 3 - against Gold coast
5 kicks 4 handballs 09 marks 5 goals 0 - against Coburg

Now maybe I am being harsh but a KPF / Ruck proposition thats being talked of as a prospective Number 1 pick, i'm sorry his production just doesn't stack up adequately to warrant such a high pick IMO.

Posters talk about how both his ruck craft and overhead marking can be developed once he is in an AFL system, sure there is some truth to that, as none of these kids are the finished product.
However the gap between where he currently is and where he needs to be, to be competitive in the AFL, are a long way apart.
If we talent bank him and put two - three years work into him, he MAY rise to the heights that we would hope for in a top 3 draft pick, but there is no guarantees.

Is a raw developing KPF/Ruck an immediate need for our list, It is but I would rather we take that player latter in the draft, someone like Ainsworth, Emmett, Murray or Harding.

CDT is a good kid also a good draft prospect that will go early, I just don't see him as a good fit for our needs right now.




Now to Sharp.

Sharp's shortcomings to his game are he lacks genuine pace and after he weaves his elite talent of being a ball extractor at the coal face, he isn't as hurtful around the ground as some of the better midfielders are, so acknowledged.

The other concern with him is just how much improvement does he have in his game, it's a valid concern, I can see that.

However I can also see a players who's skillset plays next year and makes an immediate contribution to our team.
He has had some really good games in the Central Districts seniors and he also has had some quieter ones too.
But he has not embarrassed himself or looked out of place in the seniors either.

One thing that is undeniable is that for two years in a row, he has dominated in his position against his cohort from across the country at both Under 16 and Under 18 levels.
He is consistent and when playing against his cohort and consistency is an often under ratted quality in assessing talent.

Do I ever see him becoming a Brownlow medalist ? - NO, I don't, do I see him becoming a player in the mould of a Tom Liberatore ? - YES I do, and right where West Coast are at the minute, with our midfield depth, or lack thereof, a Liberatore type would be a God Send and improve us instantly.

Now you can by all means disagree with my opinions, no drama there, but the notion of me only liking the kid simply because I have seen more of him playing and therefore have an emotional attachment to him, is off the mark.

I try to see all the kids production amongst their cohort, and then try and project if they could hold that sort of form line going forward at the next level.

I see it with Sharp.
Thank you for your insight, appreciated as always mate.

On CDT, In the videos I can find, he does look very clean below his knees, especially for his height.

Is it possible he's being pigeonholed as a Ruck/KPF due to his height but he could (potentially) be a pure midfielder, all be it, a very tall one?

If that's the case, I do find the idea of that appealing too.
 
My biggest bug bear with your constant praise of CDT is that you cant see any of his flaws OR simply don't want to.
Any time you refute the criticism regarding him , you reply with a glib one liner, but never bother to give a more detailed reply.

How I see and rate the two player is as below.


CDT

His ground work and mobility are elite for a player his height plus he has a very good tank, both these attributes allow him to accumulate possessions numbers that are very impressive for a tall.

However I see two areas of real concern in his game and they are :

1. Ruck Work.

His ruck work is average, not diabolical but certainly nowhere near the level that I would be looking for, in a ruck prospect thats being taken so highly in the draft as you are proposing.
He competes and always given an effort but there were times in the Championships were he struggled against players who had a better ruck craft than he does.
He seems to have been far more impactful in the ruck in the Coates league than he was in the Championships and thats a concern.
When a player comes up against the best in his position, in the country, in his cohort and is touted as a top two draft pick in the draft, I would expect to see him at least soundly beat, if not dominate, his opponents in the contests.

2. Overhead Marking.

His overhead marking for a guy 200cm tall is also nothing special and while he positions himself well, he often fails to hold onto his overhead marks, his chest marking he is fine.
I first noticed this in the Coates League and then in the Championships.
The times when he did out mark defenders they were in the 191 - 194 height range. I took particular note of his game against Sandringham in the VFL and I though he struggled to have much of an impact in the overhead contested marking situations.
Acknowledged that he did kick three goals, two of which were as a result of his key point of difference, that being his ground ball work.
Whereas in the VFL he struggled badly to hold his ground in the marking contests against bigger defenders, as in more solid defenders, but no where near the height of the KPD that he will be against in the AFL.
I fail to see the talk of him at least being a good KPF as a second string to his bow in the AFL, it IMO just doesn't equate with what he has done and shown thus far.

By comparison Shanahan, in the VFL last year managed a to hold his marks and kick goals, see below his two games stats:

8 kicks 3 handballs 11 marks 2 goals 3 - against Gold coast
5 kicks 4 handballs 09 marks 5 goals 0 - against Coburg

Now maybe I am being harsh but a KPF / Ruck proposition thats being talked of as a prospective Number 1 pick, i'm sorry his production just doesn't stack up adequately to warrant such a high pick IMO.

Posters talk about how both his ruck craft and overhead marking can be developed once he is in an AFL system, sure there is some truth to that, as none of these kids are the finished product.
However the gap between where he currently is and where he needs to be, to be competitive in the AFL, are a long way apart.
If we talent bank him and put two - three years work into him, he MAY rise to the heights that we would hope for in a top 3 draft pick, but there is no guarantees.

Is a raw developing KPF/Ruck an immediate need for our list, It is but I would rather we take that player latter in the draft, someone like Ainsworth, Emmett, Murray or Harding.

CDT is a good kid also a good draft prospect that will go early, I just don't see him as a good fit for our needs right now.




Now to Sharp.

Sharp's shortcomings to his game are he lacks genuine pace and after he weaves his elite talent of being a ball extractor at the coal face, he isn't as hurtful around the ground as some of the better midfielders are, so acknowledged.

The other concern with him is just how much improvement does he have in his game, it's a valid concern, I can see that.

However I can also see a players who's skillset plays next year and makes an immediate contribution to our team.
He has had some really good games in the Central Districts seniors and he also has had some quieter ones too.
But he has not embarrassed himself or looked out of place in the seniors either.

One thing that is undeniable is that for two years in a row, he has dominated in his position against his cohort from across the country at both Under 16 and Under 18 levels.
He is consistent and when playing against his cohort and consistency is an often under ratted quality in assessing talent.

Do I ever see him becoming a Brownlow medalist ? - NO, I don't, do I see him becoming a player in the mould of a Tom Liberatore ? - YES I do, and right where West Coast are at the minute, with our midfield depth, or lack thereof, a Liberatore type would be a God Send and improve us instantly.

Now you can by all means disagree with my opinions, no drama there, but the notion of me only liking the kid simply because I have seen more of him playing and therefore have an emotional attachment to him, is off the mark.

I try to see all the kids production amongst their cohort, and then try and project if they could hold that sort of form line going forward at the next level.

I see it with Sharp.
Could CDT be a defender?
 
Thank you for your insight, appreciated as always mate.

On CDT, In the videos I can find, he does look very clean below his knees, especially for his height.

Is it possible he's being pigeonholed as a Ruck/KPF due to his height but he could (potentially) be a pure midfielder, all be it, a very tall one?

If that's the case, I do find the idea of that appealing too.
It's why he's getting the Jackson/Blicavs comparisons. He doesn't need to be an elite ruck but if we have an average ruck who acts as a fourth midfielder, it could provide who picks him with a point of difference. For us, it means the possibility of Archer rotating with CDT with rule changes favouring more mobile rucks and potentially no sub, meaning we can carry either a legitimate tap ruckman or an extra runner.
 

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Thank you for your insight, appreciated as always mate.

On CDT, In the videos I can find, he does look very clean below his knees, especially for his height.

Is it possible he's being pigeonholed as a Ruck/KPF due to his height but he could (potentially) be a pure midfielder, all be it, a very tall one?

If that's the case, I do find the idea of that appealing too.
If he’s a pure midfielder then he would be ranked way down as too big and not agile enough against the real mids.
 
Thank you for your insight, appreciated as always mate.

On CDT, In the videos I can find, he does look very clean below his knees, especially for his height.

Is it possible he's being pigeonholed as a Ruck/KPF due to his height but he could (potentially) be a pure midfielder, all be it, a very tall one?

If that's the case, I do find the idea of that appealing too.


Of course it's an outside possibility all be it a very long shot and sure that has some appeal, but what are the odds of that happening.

I have seen CDT play live and I'm not seeing it, like I said I think he is a good prospect but I'm not seeing those Stephen Michael, NIC Nat , Mark Blicavs, Luke Jackson burst away traits, or the fleet of foot skills that dodge and weave their way through heavy traffic.
 
My biggest bug bear with your constant praise of CDT is that you cant see any of his flaws OR simply don't want to.
Any time you refute the criticism regarding him , you reply with a glib one liner, but never bother to give a more detailed reply.

How I see and rate the two player is as below.


CDT

His ground work and mobility are elite for a player his height plus he has a very good tank, both these attributes allow him to accumulate possessions numbers that are very impressive for a tall.

However I see two areas of real concern in his game and they are :

1. Ruck Work.

His ruck work is average, not diabolical but certainly nowhere near the level that I would be looking for, in a ruck prospect thats being taken so highly in the draft as you are proposing.
He competes and always given an effort but there were times in the Championships were he struggled against players who had a better ruck craft than he does.
He seems to have been far more impactful in the ruck in the Coates league than he was in the Championships and thats a concern.
When a player comes up against the best in his position, in the country, in his cohort and is touted as a top two draft pick in the draft, I would expect to see him at least soundly beat, if not dominate, his opponents in the contests.

2. Overhead Marking.

His overhead marking for a guy 200cm tall is also nothing special and while he positions himself well, he often fails to hold onto his overhead marks, his chest marking he is fine.
I first noticed this in the Coates League and then in the Championships.
The times when he did out mark defenders they were in the 191 - 194 height range. I took particular note of his game against Sandringham in the VFL and I though he struggled to have much of an impact in the overhead contested marking situations.
Acknowledged that he did kick three goals, two of which were as a result of his key point of difference, that being his ground ball work.
Whereas in the VFL he struggled badly to hold his ground in the marking contests against bigger defenders, as in more solid defenders, but no where near the height of the KPD that he will be against in the AFL.
I fail to see the talk of him at least being a good KPF as a second string to his bow in the AFL, it IMO just doesn't equate with what he has done and shown thus far.

By comparison Shanahan, in the VFL last year managed a to hold his marks and kick goals, see below his two games stats:

8 kicks 3 handballs 11 marks 2 goals 3 - against Gold coast
5 kicks 4 handballs 09 marks 5 goals 0 - against Coburg

Now maybe I am being harsh but a KPF / Ruck proposition thats being talked of as a prospective Number 1 pick, i'm sorry his production just doesn't stack up adequately to warrant such a high pick IMO.

Posters talk about how both his ruck craft and overhead marking can be developed once he is in an AFL system, sure there is some truth to that, as none of these kids are the finished product.
However the gap between where he currently is and where he needs to be, to be competitive in the AFL, are a long way apart.
If we talent bank him and put two - three years work into him, he MAY rise to the heights that we would hope for in a top 3 draft pick, but there is no guarantees.

Is a raw developing KPF/Ruck an immediate need for our list, It is but I would rather we take that player latter in the draft, someone like Ainsworth, Emmett, Murray or Harding.

CDT is a good kid also a good draft prospect that will go early, I just don't see him as a good fit for our needs right now.




Now to Sharp.

Sharp's shortcomings to his game are he lacks genuine pace and after he weaves his elite talent of being a ball extractor at the coal face, he isn't as hurtful around the ground as some of the better midfielders are, so acknowledged.

The other concern with him is just how much improvement does he have in his game, it's a valid concern, I can see that.

However I can also see a players who's skillset plays next year and makes an immediate contribution to our team.
He has had some really good games in the Central Districts seniors and he also has had some quieter ones too.
But he has not embarrassed himself or looked out of place in the seniors either.

One thing that is undeniable is that for two years in a row, he has dominated in his position against his cohort from across the country at both Under 16 and Under 18 levels.
He is consistent when playing against his cohort and consistency is an often under ratted quality in assessing talent.

Do I ever see him becoming a Brownlow medalist ? - NO, I don't, do I see him becoming a player in the mould of a Tom Liberatore ? - YES I do, and right where West Coast are at the minute, with our midfield depth, or lack thereof, a Liberatore type would be a God Send and improve us instantly.

Now you can by all means disagree with my opinions, no drama there, but the notion of me only liking the kid simply because I have seen more of him playing and therefore have an emotional attachment to him, is off the mark.

I try to see all the kids production amongst their cohort, and then try and project if they could hold that sort of form line going forward at the next level.

I see it with Sharp.
I went through my posts re CDT and we prett much agree on him. I said his ground level work is great as did you, I said his athleticism and mobility is good as did you and I said his overhead marking is inconsistent which is also in line with you. So what are you talking about?

I've clearly struck a nerve with you for some reason, which is odd
 
Fair points mate, can't necessarily argue with that. Time will tell in the end I guess.

I think people on this board might be getting a teeeeny bit hung up on Sharp, he's very very good in his position but I do wonder how high his ceiling will be in the AFL. He's also fairly limited.

For me personally, (assuming we manage to manufacture another pick inside the top 10) I would rather we go Duursma, CDT and then someone like Cumming, Greeves or even Phillipou...rather than missing one of Duursma or CDT for Sharp.

Also reckon there's a good chance that if we land a third pick inside the top 10 (no later than 7) that Sharp could still fall to us.
Who knows how it will all go. I'll be happy either way I reckon. Many people here will disagree with me
Haha Sharp absolutely has his fans on here. Similar to another SA mid last year who captured hearts, went elsewhere and hasn’t exactly set the world on fire in his first year.

Sharp definitely doesn’t look to have the ceiling or positional flexibility, but seems a safe, solid pick which isn’t a bad thing for us to lock away in the midfield.

There does look to be some options for us to move another pick into the top end so maybe we end up with all three of CDT, Duursma and Sharp after all?
 
Haha Sharp absolutely has his fans on here. Similar to another SA mid last year who captured hearts, went elsewhere and hasn’t exactly set the world on fire in his first year.

Sharp definitely doesn’t look to have the ceiling or positional flexibility, but seems a safe, solid pick which isn’t a bad thing for us to lock away in the midfield.

There does look to be some options for us to move another pick into the top end so maybe we end up with all three of CDT, Duursma and Sharp after all?
I see sharp as a player which we need....an inside midfielder who can feed harley hewiit the mids on the outside. This is what we are missing a contested Rowell type in the middle apart from harley of course.....I just think Sharp is better suited for the side atm than a CDT

CDT where does he play ....up forward....nah jobe A reid up there along with Jake ...Inthe ruck yeah but thats years down the track ..I just think its too much of a risk to have a utility in the top 2

Duursma I can see on the wing for us Chesser on the other.....Harley Sharp Hewiit in the middle
 

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Haha Sharp absolutely has his fans on here. Similar to another SA mid last year who captured hearts, went elsewhere and hasn’t exactly set the world on fire in his first year.

Sharp definitely doesn’t look to have the ceiling or positional flexibility, but seems a safe, solid pick which isn’t a bad thing for us to lock away in the midfield.

There does look to be some options for us to move another pick into the top end so maybe we end up with all three of CDT, Duursma and Sharp after all?
You’re not planning on becoming a regular around here are you? 🥲
 
Haha Sharp absolutely has his fans on here. Similar to another SA mid last year who captured hearts, went elsewhere and hasn’t exactly set the world on fire in his first year.

Sharp definitely doesn’t look to have the ceiling or positional flexibility, but seems a safe, solid pick which isn’t a bad thing for us to lock away in the midfield.

There does look to be some options for us to move another pick into the top end so maybe we end up with all three of CDT, Duursma and Sharp after all?
If CDT, Duursma and Sharp all end up Eagles then that is the absolute best outcome..imagine the celebrations on here!
 
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