List Mgmt. 2025 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Kbroome]

Bigger bodies around the ground

The quick half back flanker/winger is getting tiring to watch when we get belted in the contest/pressure

 

[Tedeski]

Are we back on Curnow now after watching Jezza

We don't have anyone in that league that the Cats & Lions have to get the ball to a Curnow.
Went to the game last night & those guys are so quick, solidly built & extremely well drilled & can hit targets most of the time with fast ball movement.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Raid Hawthorn

Mitch Lewis kicked 5 goals, Max Ramsden dropped to BH and kicked 4, Scaife 2 goals

Ned Reeves 40 hit-outs

Surely there'd be a player or 2 you could prise out of Hawthorn

 

[rustycrate]

I continue to think what does this team needs moving forward and I keep coming back to 3 areas

1. KPF (Quality)
2. Small forwards (Depth)
3. KPD (Depth)
4. Height

1. We need a #1 Key Forward. Statistically we are basically a non factor in the premiership race if we don't have a goal scoring forward.
2. We have way too few small forwards on our list and non of them are quality. We have seen plenty of the great small forwards be selected very late in drafts and have immediate impact
3. We don't need a #1 Key Defender but we need more depth especially if we are losing all of Hamling, Rampe and Francis this off season. We are going to need a best 22-26 KPD to fill the gap there imo.
4. Height is a problem everywhere across the park, we are tiny in the midfield and tiny in the key position players across the park, time to get a couple of players that offer a little bit of height given some of the unicorn matches in the league.

If we can achieve these 4 goals whilst also drafting our top 3-4 academy guys then I think it will be a positive off-season

We have 3 depth KPDs (Snell, Edwards and Andrews)plus 2 veterans in Hamling and Francis.
We have Rampe, McCartin and Melican in the 1s.
That is 8 KPDs.
We don't need more depth.
We need our current depth (outside of Hamling and Francis) to play in the 1s.

 

[Kbroome]

We have 3 depth KPDs (Snell, Edwards and Andrews)plus 2 veterans in Hamling and Francis.
We have Rampe, McCartin and Melican in the 1s.
That is 8 KPDs.
We don't need more depth.
We need our current depth (outside of Hamling and Francis) to play in the 1s.

Says "especially if we are losing all of Hamling, Rampe and Francis this off season."

We can't go into a season with Melican McCartin Snell Edwards Andrews as Key Defender Depth when Andrews isn't ready for AFL and he would be the second off the rank.

 

[rustycrate]

Says "especially if we are losing all of Hamling, Rampe and Francis this off season."

We can't go into a season with Melican McCartin Snell Edwards Andrews as Key Defender Depth when Andrews isn't ready for AFL and he would be the second off the rank.

Agree.

 

[tombomb]

Being inactive last offseason was understandable given the coaching change and everyone was in (a bit of) shock with the GF capitulation.

It was reasonable if we convinced ourselves that the GF was just an aberration and focused instead on the fact that we did get to the GF and were on top of the ladder for most of the season.

But surely some of the losses this year would've removed any delusion. Collingwood, Gold Coast, Melbourne, Adelaide, GWS, and Geelong this year were all just as uncompetitive.

Unless there are significant upgrades to the list, then we are just wasting our time.

If the grand sum from this upcoming trade period is to delist/trade a few fringe players and replace them with a few fringe players, it's going to be very underwhelming and will show we really haven't learnt anything from the last few seasons.

Fair enough if we are desperately trying and the opportunities just aren't there. Maybe we need to be patient and wait another year. But if we haven't been targeting multiple players for the last 12 months then ... I dunno what we've been doing ...

 

[Slingshot Footy]

Being inactive last offseason was understandable given the coaching change and everyone was in (a bit of) shock with the GF capitulation.

It was reasonable if we convinced ourselves that the GF was just an aberration and focused instead on the fact that we did get to the GF and were on top of the ladder for most of the season.

But surely some of the losses this year would've removed any delusion. Collingwood, Melbourne, Adelaide, GWS, and Geelong this year were all just as uncompetitive.

Unless there are significant upgrades to the list, then we are just wasting our time.

If the grand sum from this upcoming trade period is to delist/trade a few fringe players and replace them with a few fringe players, it's going to be all very underwhelming and will show we really haven't learnt anything from the last few seasons.

Fair enough, if we are desperately trying and the opportunities just aren't there. Maybe we need to be patient and wait another year. But if we haven't been targeting multiple players for the last 12 months then ... I dunno what we've been doing ...

Yeah, the only advantage we’ll have over the top 8 next year is a longer preseason so unless we upgrade in the key areas that everyone on the board has highlighted already then I feel like our best is still only about 5th or 6th place for 2026.

You can digest that if there is contact with and sounding out of ready to go talent who can be recruited over the next 12 months in preparation for the 2027 season but there are teams with far more competitive lists than ours at the moment.

Planning for the next two seasons you’ve probably got improvement from the Suns, Hawks, Bulldogs and Saints who would all be pressing their cases to challenge for the top 4 as well so we need to ensure that our list can compete with those teams in addition to the current contenders left in the finals.

 

[robbieando]

Unless there are significant upgrades to the list, then we are just wasting our time.

If the grand sum from this upcoming trade period is to delist/trade a few fringe players and replace them with a few fringe players, it's going to be very underwhelming and will show we really haven't learnt anything from the last few seasons.

Fair enough if we are desperately trying and the opportunities just aren't there. Maybe we need to be patient and wait another year. But if we haven't been targeting multiple players for the last 12 months then ... I dunno what we've been doing ...

We currently have two open senior list spots with our remaining out of contract senior list players Rampe, Lloyd and Ladhams all reportedly been offered new contracts for next season. So they all re-sign we need to trade out a contracted player to even use our required three draft picks.

To trade players in, we’ll need to trade multiple contracted players out and thats where it gets difficult we’ll need to get players to agree to move.

I’m not expecting a big off season because of how our contracts are structured.

 

[The Blue Max]

We currently have two open senior list spots with our remaining out of contract senior list players Rampe, Lloyd and Ladhams all reportedly been offered new contracts for next season. So they all re-sign we need to trade out a contracted player to even use our required three draft picks.

To trade players in, we’ll need to trade multiple contracted players out and thats where it gets difficult we’ll need to get players to agree to move.

I’m not expecting a big off season because of how our contracts are structured.

“Reportedly”.

Pretty doubtful I reckon. Unless they think nobody from the 2s are good enough?

 

[tombomb]

We currently have two open senior list spots with our remaining out of contract senior list players Rampe, Lloyd and Ladhams all reportedly been offered new contracts for next season. So they all re-sign we need to trade out a contracted player to even use our required three draft picks.

To trade players in, we’ll need to trade multiple contracted players out and thats where it gets difficult we’ll need to get players to agree to move.

I’m not expecting a big off season because of how our contracts are structured.

Then it is just a countdown until the next catastrophic meltdown.

Unless we get bigger and tougher then we have no chance of competing with the better teams when it really counts.

 

[Superstar swan]

It’s concerning that teams like Geelong can find mature agers like Voss and mannagh and we can’t even get 1st rounders right

 

[Membling]

Surely there'd be a player or 2 you could prise out of Hawthorn

Been big on Hustwaite prior to his draft.

Lewis and Mackenzie also be good gets

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Being inactive last offseason was understandable given the coaching change and everyone was in (a bit of) shock with the GF capitulation.

It was reasonable if we convinced ourselves that the GF was just an aberration and focused instead on the fact that we did get to the GF and were on top of the ladder for most of the season.

But surely some of the losses this year would've removed any delusion. Collingwood, Melbourne, Adelaide, GWS, and Geelong this year were all just as uncompetitive.

Unless there are significant upgrades to the list, then we are just wasting our time.

If the grand sum from this upcoming trade period is to delist/trade a few fringe players and replace them with a few fringe players, it's going to be very underwhelming and will show we really haven't learnt anything from the last few seasons.

Fair enough if we are desperately trying and the opportunities just aren't there. Maybe we need to be patient and wait another year. But if we haven't been targeting multiple players for the last 12 months then ... I dunno what we've been doing ...

In terms of drafting/trading we have fallen away so dramatically the last 5-6 years compared to rival top 4 sides.

More so we seem devoid of strategy overlooking talls when they have been available with our selections

The Heeney reliance this season has been absurd

 

[Slingshot Footy]

Been big on Hustwaite prior to his draft.

Lewis and Mackenzie also be good gets

Jai Serong would be another, but if he's gonna leave, you'd suspect Freo would be the front runners.

Mackenzie probably won't get looked at, as we'd piss off Cleary and Sheldrick by recruiting him, and the only way we could probably convince him to cross over is if we promised him a start in round 1 next year.

I'd love to get Mitch Lewis if Curnow doesn't work for us. Plain and simple.

If we wanted to address our key defender stock, then Darragh Joyce might be one to look at as well. Irish fella that's well and truly served his apprenticeship at St Kilda and Brisbane, and he was an emergency for the Lions in the GF last year. He's 28 and not getting an opportunity; at the very least, he seems like great depth if Hamling is gonna leave.

 

[rustycrate]

We currently have two open senior list spots with our remaining out of contract senior list players Rampe, Lloyd and Ladhams all reportedly been offered new contracts for next season. So they all re-sign we need to trade out a contracted player to even use our required three draft picks.

To trade players in, we’ll need to trade multiple contracted players out and thats where it gets difficult we’ll need to get players to agree to move.

I’m not expecting a big off season because of how our contracts are structured.

Not necessarily.

We can delist rookies and trasfer Rampe and Lloyd to the rookie list for example.
This will free up main list spots.
Maybe this is what they are doing.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Not necessarily.

We can delist rookies and trasfer Rampe and Lloyd to the rookie list for example.
This will free up main list spots.
Maybe this is what they are doing.

Wait i thought they changed the rule around that? that would only be allowable if we nominated those two at the start of the season?

 

[robbieando]

Not necessarily.

We can delist rookies and trasfer Rampe and Lloyd to the rookie list for example.
This will free up main list spots.
Maybe this is what they are doing.

They would still need to go through the national and rookie draft. We can’t simply transfer them to our rookie list, that was a COVID list management measure that only existed to help with the process of cutting down list sizes.

Likely no one picks them up in any case but it would only open up one senior list spot overall once draft selections are taken into account and still doesn’t allow us to to trade for multiple players without still needing to trade multiple contracted players.

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

Being inactive last offseason was understandable given the coaching change and everyone was in (a bit of) shock with the GF capitulation.

It was reasonable if we convinced ourselves that the GF was just an aberration and focused instead on the fact that we did get to the GF and were on top of the ladder for most of the season.

But surely some of the losses this year would've removed any delusion. Collingwood, Melbourne, Adelaide, GWS, and Geelong this year were all just as uncompetitive.

Unless there are significant upgrades to the list, then we are just wasting our time.

If the grand sum from this upcoming trade period is to delist/trade a few fringe players and replace them with a few fringe players, it's going to be very underwhelming and will show we really haven't learnt anything from the last few seasons.

Fair enough if we are desperately trying and the opportunities just aren't there. Maybe we need to be patient and wait another year. But if we haven't been targeting multiple players for the last 12 months then ... I dunno what we've been doing ...

So true, yet so sad

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

So will our pre season strat be Moore Park gym or Centennial Park laps ?

I want to see bench press rankings not time trials.

And at least 3 hours a day on stretching racks - to make us taller.
Failing that go buy some heel lifts. See taller.com.au


I like fast players but I like strong players more.

Wrong thread but Bedford doesn’t post here.

 

[SwansProudly]

...

And at least 3 hours a day on stretching racks - to make us taller

 

[Superstar swan]

Watching other teams play , it really stands out how small and weak we are

Rowell last night was a competitive beast. He was shrugging players off with pure ferociousness.

That’s what we need

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Watching other teams play , it really stands out how small and weak we are

Rowell last night was a competitive beast. He was shrugging players off with pure ferociousness.

That’s what we need

You can tell even the Suns beefed up from last season. It’s quite pathetic that we can’t do the same

Also, has Charlie Curnow requested a trade yet to the Swans or is he going to Geelong because he has too much muscle for our mob?

If not, will come back tomorrow

 

[strauchanie59]

I've said it many times and I'll say it again, Alex Davies would be an excellent addition to the midfield. 193cm and while contracted until the end of 2026, with more Suns academy players coming in, might find himself out of the team following this season.

19 disposals, 7 tackles and 6 clearances against Freo last night in 67% TOG.

 

[Bloods86]

I've said it many times and I'll say it again, Alex Davies would be an excellent addition to the midfield. 193cm and while contracted until the end of 2026, with more Suns academy players coming in, might find himself out of the team following this season.

19 disposals, 7 tackles and 6 clearances against Freo last night in 67% TOG.

I'd be happy enough to get him in, but we'd probably have to put up with the same "low disposal count for a mid" nonsense as we do with Rowbottom.