Official Club Stuff Carlton Academy - Next Gen & Father/Son/Daughter Discussion II

[gbatman]

There’s a reason why you are not giving examples, just about all players who are a year or two away from free agency are being traded, list them.

Bailey Smith was seen by so many here as a massive risk, has mental health issues, has behavioural issues, talk of substance abuse and was out of contract, he wasn’t traded as a pre agent either.

The reason is that I can not be bothered. Geelong don't have as many in their side currently, it's fairly well balanced. Their last premiership side from memory was a different story. pre agent is a good term.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Cody’s happy about the news.

 

[The Bighouse]

Good result for us and Cody..
We'll pay a premium, but he projects to be a top tier talent..
Moving forward though.. this may make it easier for a Northern Academy gun player to get to us (or another Melbourne based club) in the future, if the Northern clubs have a number of Academy players. They won't be able to get them all..

But this was the desired outcome with GCFC drafting their own to stall the “go-home factor” and poaching from a non-football state team who were failing to attract and keep their talent.

Now the VIC teams don’t like it…uproar!

It should be left alone.

 

[The Bighouse]

I suspect the changes to the bidding system will spark a wave of unofficial “alliances” between clubs with something to lose. Think Carlton, Port and Essendon quietly agreeing not to drop early bids on each other’s prospects (or on Syd/GWS/GC/Bris Academy kids) and they return the favour.

On top of that, we’ll probably see plenty of trade deals with unspoken conditions attached: an implied understanding that part of the exchange is, “don’t bid on our players”.

I frickin’ hope so.
Everyone bar STK (and the likes of GEE & Freo who have voiced their issues).

 

[9874123]

I guess this means they are taking away, or at least strongly limiting, the ability to go into a points deficit? Gotta feel for the list management teams right now who probably have 1000000 questions about this system that the AFL haven't figured out yet.

 

[Big Delut]

Cody’s happy about the news.

Very!

 

[mrkyuss]

I love how people are worried we are going to finish too high on the ladder . lol.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Lukas Koutoufides

 

[KohPhi]

But this was the desired outcome with GCFC drafting their own to stall the “go-home factor” and poaching from a non-football state team who were failing to attract and keep their talent.

Now the VIC teams don’t like it…uproar!

It should be left alone.

It should be..
But we know it won't.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

The odds of him going #1 are very low historically and if he goes 2 or below we should have no issues matching it with two mid range firsts.

Pick 2 without accounting for a potential discount if it remains or the deficit rule would be pick 10 + pick 11. Hardly a concern.

Yeah I know, the clubs would want to steer clear from shit like bidding at pick #1 unless they want it to come back around when it's their turn.

But still, just proving a point here... it is a dumb addition and tbh would not put it past the Tigers if they were in the position...

 

[Jimmae]

I think it will be a sliding scale of discount depending on which "zone" you finish up in.

Bottom 4 - 10% (for example)

16-8- 8%

8-4 - 5%

4-1 - Zero.

This has zero regard for any given draft though. It's a soft-lockout instead.

 

[Jimmae]

Oh and while we're at it, how come the media isn't roasting Swann for leaving the Lions with a huge boon right before he shuts the gate?

Grubby prick.

 

[DollarsandSense]

All good, we finish last problem solved

Exactly, next season, every time we look like we are about to win. Just stop playing and get rolled. All these new rules will do is give clubs an incentive to lose.
One year of clubs deliberately tanking will fix it.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Mitch Cleary on the Brownlow count said the blues will get Cody and was super confident about it. I think we will get it done.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Mitch Cleary on the Brownlow count said the blues will get Cody and was super confident about it. I think we will get it done.

Mitch Cleary never had the makings of a varsity athlete.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Now we just need to hope Cody has that 3-4 cm growth spurt over the off season and comes back looking like prime Nat Fyfe

But obviously play like Mick Gibbons so he doesn't go pick 1...

 

[The Bighouse]

Mitch Cleary on the Brownlow count said the blues will get Cody and was super confident about it. I think we will get it done.

But having to pay more. No certainty if some of the rumoured changes do unfold.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Mitch Cleary never had the makings of a varsity athlete.

 

[Benaly28]

You’d think with the proposed F/S draft changes any Charlie deal would have to involve securing a future first in any package.

 

[DangerousD]

The reason is that I can not be bothered. Geelong don't have as many in their side currently, it's fairly well balanced. Their last premiership side from memory was a different story. pre agent is a good term.

Their last premiership team had Smith and Stengel, far out

 

[DangerousD]

He says he was traded a year before becoming a free agent purely because he was to become a free agent.

Whether it happens one year before or not does not matter, free agency is the cause.

Brian Lake has to approve being traded and where he’s traded to, with the Dogs wanting to get the offer from Hawthorn instead of risking crap compensation.

So if people are complaining that free agency is killing equalisation, but then referencing several examples of clubs actually not getting players for free and needing to trade for them, it doesn’t really make sense.

Geelong will go into this GF with two free agents on the list, both of which were DFAs

Brisbane will have none.

If the Pies got in, they would have 3, with two being DFAs

The idea that the top clubs have used free agency to stay at the top and win premierships is a cop out

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Obviously we're getting screwed again

No father-son draft lockout, but AFL set to tighten bidding rules

Clubs will still be able to match bids on father-son and Academy talent in 2026 and beyond but the League is make them pay up for the privilege

www.afl.com.au

FMD, absolute morons, simply just take the discount away easily fixed, club must hold a pick in the round of draftees availability round, then accumulate the remaining required draft points through multiple options being club/future draft points trade outs/ins…

I was expecting much more from Greg Swan, a person who is apparently held in high regard across his career within different systems, it seems they are overreacting precisely in a way that the AFL has and continues to do with all major rules & matters relating to the game…

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Yep fake a long term injury something that will turm other clubs right off

“Multiple turf toes, both feet”

 

[Manhattanite]

You’d think with the proposed F/S draft changes any Charlie deal would have to involve securing a future first in any package.

The proposed changes will make it harder for a Top 6 team to match the bid within Top 6 picks - while it would be nice to think we are going to finish Top 6 next season we probably won’t worry about getting in an extra pick for matching Walker until trade period next season. As things stand our future first second and third would be enough for Walker. We also have 2027 and 2028 picks we can use next season.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

1, We use our TDK compo to trade into the first round next year.

2, we then package that pick PLUS our own 2026 first round pick PLUS our 2027 first round pick into a couple of high end 2026 first round picks.

In summary, we spin THREE first round picks into TWO Top 15 picks.

It doesn’t HAVE to involve Charlie.

Might require some minor bits and pieces to sort outside of that but Austin will get it done. Relax man!

(NB: Where it will get tricky is having sufficient draft capital in the 2nd, 3rd & 4th rounds to secure the likes of Dean, Ison, Chesser, Khamis & Jiath).

So Cody essentially costs us 3 first round picks LLLOOOOLLLL