Rumour Bluemour Discussion XL - ‘Silly Season’ in full swing 😱

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Well the Josh Fraser

Josh Fraser

Age

43

Ht

202cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.7

3star

HB

5.4

4star

CL

2.5

4star

HO

11.8

5star

No current season stats available

D

9.4

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

2.8

3star

HO

8.6

5star

rumour was true

 

[Stamos]

Ah OK that would have pissed off LM I suppose

And everybody else

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Did he though? I thought he was told he couldn't play without getting the vaccine the the time.

Maybe not in the eyes of the club, or the playing group, or some supporters, but he did in my eyes.

 

[Moon]

I totally agree with you on this. I dont see Charlie as the type that breathes football/success,its just a job to him and it pays his bills. Doesn't seem to like speaking in public,so it's easy to see he'd could say things without any thought,even jokingly and then not even realise what he's said.
Seem's not to to take things to seriously kind of guy?
If he doesn't get a trade i can just see Charlie rolling into training wearing his ugg boots,riding his bike first day of pre season without a worry. He'd just laugh it off with the boys.

Charlie strikes me as one of those Guys in Tech School who always get straight A in class and win Athletics races without any effort or training. Just super talented and doesn't have to work hard at it like most of us other plebs

 

[GoBlues!]

I can already feel time slowing down just thinking about it

 

[KohPhi]

The club have said their piece - the club cannot "shut down" the AFL media industry, especially when Charlie's manager is feeding them info as well. What is it you want them to do, sue Channel 7, Foxtel, NewsCorp and the AFL itself for spreading rumours and talking about possible trades in the leadup to trade week? Come on.

The club's position was and is that Charlie is contracted and they expect him to be playing in Navy Blue next year and beyond. That position stands unless a club comes to us with an offer we can't responsibly knock back.



Some real conspiracy-theory stuff going on here. Balance of probability - who stands to benefit from talking down Charlie's trade value, Carlton, or the player himself who is seeing the chances of a deal dwindle day by day as his preferred clubs rule out trading their own players? Just think about it.

Carlton are gonna cave and take two second rounders? Are you listening to yourself?



The GF hasn't even been played yet, just simmer. Who have Collingwood recruited this offseason? GWS? Adelaide? Fremantle? I could continue...

We're linked with some bit part players because they're the ones whose deals are very likely agreed upon in principle already. We're not chasing any big free agents because it would dilute our own FA compensation. So yeah, as it stands we know we're losing two free agents, still don't know what the compensation is gonna be for one of them, and we've lined up a few suitable role player trades.



What decisions are you referring to? Not matching a $1.6-$1.8m offer for a ruckman who is, at 26yo, still talked about as "potential"? Not matching a $800-$900k offer for a KPP who averages 12 games a year? Retaining Voss (contracted), after a 12 month analysis by a very sharp operator in Wright? Culling the assistant coaching group around Voss, after many have been saying for years that he needs better support? Sacking Lloyd who has been one of the least inspiring Heads of Football we've seen? Calling time on Docherty when it was clear to all and sundry that age and all the shit his body has had to fight through had caught up with him?

I'm seeing lots of good decisions, some of them just a year or two too late. The biggest one - seemingly drawing a line in the sand on player buy-in and effort.



You and I don't get to "allow" anything, so park that nonsense to start with. Furthermore, we're not getting 5-6 players/picks for Curnow, unless they're more of the players that you've already criticised the club for chasing. If Curnow goes, it'll be because an offer includes a player who makes us better and addresses an area of need, in addition to some draft picks that can assist with closing other deals or securing players we've committed to in the draft. If that offer doesn't come, no amount of bleating from his manager is going to convince us to take "two picks in the 20s"

Post of the Decade..

 

[Blue__Balls]

Charlie strikes me as one of those Guys in Tech School who always get straight A in class and win Athletics races without any effort or training. Just super talented and doesn't have to work hard at it like most of us other plebs ... not that I did ... never the straight A type ... and I knew it.

Charlie? Straight As?

Maybe if you're talking about a multiple choice exam. He'd fly through the thing ticking A for every answer and then bolt out the door to kick a footy or do some kickflips.

 

[Moon]

Charlie? Straight As?

Hahaha ... yeah ... a bit of a stretch ... being nice ... he may end up staying?

His Bro Ed probably did most of the work whilst Charlie kicked back..

 

[FlowersByIrene]

A big NO to Liam Jones
His time has come and gone
Burnt his bridges well and truly after he left
If we’re trying to change the culture around the place, embracing a guy who openly potted the club isn’t the way to go about it.

Any sources for this? Never seen anything of the sort.

Not to mention the fact that he would have been well and truly in his rights to pot the club, we abandoned him with complete absence of support.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Good news! He has completely dropped off since he first started

 

[Siegfried]

A question around Curnow and what we might accept in a trade for him. The unspoken requirement seems to be an equivalent star coming back our way (and possibly more), however do the impending changes to father-son change our thinking on this?

If what has been suggested is true (apparently the AFL will outline the specifics next week), we will likely need a top 3-ish pick in next year’s draft to match a bid on Walker (possibly plus extra, and the word is clubs will only be able to use a maximum of 2 picks to match bids).

One way is the TDK compo pick + one of our future firsts ('26 or ’27) for, say WC’s 2026 first (plus or minus other picks, the exact deal, end even whether WC or another of the bottom clubs would do it, isn’t the point of this post, so don’t want to get caught up on that). But that’s going to make it hard to have the points for Dean and Ison this year.

Another way is through a possible Curnow deal. I’m in the keep Curnow camp, and until now I’ve not thought a deal would be able to get done, but does the likely need for a top 3-ish pick in next year’s draft open up other possibilities on a Curnow deal?

It’s hard to see how we get the early-2026 Walker pick, and have enough points for Dean and Ison outside of any possible Curnow deal.

 

[Dramoth]

I'm on tender hooks waiting for a response

Well, I'm correctly waiting on tenterhooks for a response

 

[Blue__Balls]

A question around Curnow and what we might accept in a trade for him. The unspoken requirement seems to be an equivalent star coming back our way (and possibly more), however do the impending changes to father-son change our thinking on this?

If what has been suggested is true (apparently the AFL will outline the specifics next week), we will likely need a top 3-ish pick in next year’s draft to match a bid on Walker (possibly plus extra, and the word is clubs will only be able to use a maximum of 2 picks to match bids).

One way is the TDK compo pick + one of our future firsts ('26 or ’27) for, say WC’s 2026 first (plus or minus other picks, the exact deal, end even whether WC or another of the bottom clubs would do it, isn’t the point of this post, so don’t want to get caught up on that). But that’s going to make it hard to have the points for Dean and Ison this year.

Another way is through a possible Curnow deal. I’m in the keep Curnow camp, and until now I’ve not thought a deal would be able to get done, but does the likely need for a top 3-ish pick in next year’s draft open up other possibilities on a Curnow deal?

It’s hard to see how we get the early-2026 Walker pick, and have enough points for Dean and Ison outside of any possible Curnow deal.

Guess we'll find out when the actual detail around bid matching drops next week.

Last excerpt I saw seemed to suggest that there might be more restrictions applied to top 4 or top 8 sides, rather than wholesale restrictions.

There's no "likely need for a top 3 pick next year", it's barely even "possible need", and for now is firmly in the realms of "in the vast empty caverns of Jon Ralph's skull, the number 3 bounces endlessly around and occasionally slips out of his drooling mouth".

 

[Dominator_7]

Any sources for this? Never seen anything of the sort.

Not to mention the fact that he would have been well and truly in his rights to pot the club, we abandoned him with complete absence of support.

He was the one who abandoned us.
It was he who chose to ‘retire’ and bugger off to Qld after lists had already been submitted, leaving the club in the lurch.
Stuff him.

 

[Stamos]

Guess we'll find out when the actual detail around bid matching drops next week.

Last excerpt I saw seemed to suggest that there might be more restrictions applied to top 4 or top 8 sides, rather than wholesale restrictions.

There's no "likely need for a top 3 pick next year", it's barely even "possible need", and for now is firmly in the realms of "in the vast empty caverns of Jon Ralph's skull, the number 3 bounces endlessly around and occasionally slips out of his drooling mouth".

The details that Twomey has given so far (so not complete, but also unlikely to be completely incorrect) is only 2 picks allowed to match a bid, and then those restrictions to top 4 and top 8 teams. At a guess, that would be less discount applied the higher you finish. Which is stupid and more complicated, so definitely something the AFL would do.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Well, I'm correctly waiting on tenterhooks for a response

You missed the context

 

[RPCB]

We will trade Charlie Curnow to Sydney in two years when Chad Warner leaves.

 

[Gethelred]

The amount of disrespect to Carlton for a contracted player... by the media, coaches, players, former AFLPA president in Dangerfield (who should know better) is pretty disgusting.

Other media voices are absolutely right - AFLPA and such have too much flexibility; contracts mean nothing it seems. Clubs need to have more foundation on players who sign long-term contracts, and players need to understand that when they sign a contract that it's expected to be honoured, not to be used as a guaranteed salary for X years safety blanket and then decide they want to go somewhere else.

What is going to be the line in the sand moment and who's going to do it?

Just bear in mind that Dustin Martin wanted to see what he'd be worth on the open market in 2016, knowing he uad a year remaining on his contract at Richmond. Hardwick and Richmond backed themselves to retain him, holding firm to "You can look at your options, but you're not going to get treated the way you do here anywhere else."

He wound up signing in 2017 for 7 years, and we know how that turned out.

Now, we know what Charlie's best footy is and we know that things can turn around bloody quick. He's contracted, so if he goes we receive overs; if not he's retained until we do. Back ourselves to turn him around; that the reality of being within a club, your mates beside you, familiar surrounds and people and all the reasons to stay right in front of you, and improve onfield.

Quite honestly, it's a bit odd to me that people expect utter loyalty from footballers. The media could do with shutting the **** up - they're vultures, and I don't write article after article talking about how shit I find Gary Lyon's commentary akin to Kane Cornes' take on football journalism, nor do I pen page after page of speculation about the job security of Jake Niall or Ronan Connelly - but the players?

Their loyalty is going unrewarded at most clubs. Their efforts are not protected from media scrutiny. Their wage is at the utter mercy of Xerri or Mumford or Maynard or Lewis, not to mention their bodies. Their careers are evaluated constantly: who's not got it, who's a high commodity.

Under these circumstances, I'd be wrapping myself in cotton wool when away from the club, not paying any attention to the media, and pursuing aggressively the most money I could while it lasted, because there's no guarantee it will last longer than a season.

For some, it will last much less.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Post of the Decade..

 

[Jimmae]

Curnow to the Suns for Humphrey and JW. Simple. That’s a deal I’d take.

It would seem that's not being offered.

Jim, I had no idea who Green was, so I looked him up and all I could find is that he’s a ruckman, hence my post. You saying he’s a key forward?

Ruck/forward, so good list depth with solid potential.

After academy picks, it'll get pushed back to about 15.

Gold Coast's current pick 6 and 16 will disappear amongst that, so no, but I would prefer we use player trades to upgrade both picks in the earlier hypothetical, grabbing a future pick if we can't upgrade both.

Get the impression we'll be sending Acres to West Coast in the Chesser deal, so might create a window to trade up if they're granted a pick 2 or 3 they have to trade.

I don't base my opinion on media/content creators... it's just not a great draft. The only 2 players I'd look at with a top 5 pick are Duursma or Lindsay.

You're mostly watching footage built off that opinion, so yes you are, and your targets reflect that. Lindsay looks unlikely to go top 10 now, and Duursma should find himself outside the top 5 if clubland is serious about evaluating academy players.

 

[4thchicken]

You want to get rid of Cripps to pick who exactly?

I don't think he's untouchable, but if we were to trade him, I want a F1 for him. I want as many F1's for next year's draft as possible...

Interest in extra young talent/changing the team balance away from Cripps in the midfield (and I don’t think he has a place in the forward line)

This years first -> as I said goal is to get in before Dean pick. Not an avid draft watcher but Lindsay sounds good from the descriptions I’ve seen (elite disposal)

I’ve prioritised this years first over next years as I think it would be possible to trade up to prior to F/S bid - I’m not convinced that asking for a future first would get you much benefit given how early walker is expected to go. In 2026 imo points are more valuable - hence specification of a future 2nd

 

[carlton_99]

With the reports Suns want a 1st round pick for him and that he is moving for more midfield time personally I'd probably be happier if we missed out on him.

If we sold him on playing as a high HF that got some midfield time I'd be more interested.

 

[Bronze]

Time to shave it all off Chad

No way, bald heads are hideous.

 

[WalshYouLegend]

No way, bald heads are hideous.

No way, as the great guru said, “Balder heads prevail”.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Charlie strikes me as one of those Guys in Tech School who always get straight A in class and win Athletics races without any effort or training. Just super talented and doesn't have to work hard at it like most of us other plebs

There’s no flipping way Charlie is getting anywhere near straight A’s, even in PE