Rumour Bluemour Discussion XL - ‘Silly Season’ in full swing 😱

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[Sam The Doc]

Was a good interview- hope Cinc finds another home

I thought his body is cooked hence we had no choice

 

[RPCB]

Charlie signed a contract worth over $5 million and he wants out of it after 2 years.

“What is best for him” shouldn’t even be a consideration for Carlton.

 

[SolGoodman]

It's called being a realist. I guess time will tell. I'm confident we finish bottom 4 next season.

Would you say you're as confident as we are that your next post is going to be a negative one?

 

[The Bighouse]

We had a great strike rate with keeping players. Unfortunately, looks like that was built by overpaying and stroking egos.

Hopefully some improved standards and playing some good football means the players we want to buy in will actually stick around for the right reasons moving forward.

Indeed.
Reset underway (hopefully) and the football club builds up within and buy-in from all & sundry.
The right environment to stick around & the right staff pulling the strings.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Would you say you're as confident as we are that your next post is going to be a negative one?

One thing I believe separates the ultra competitive types from the negative Nellies is that the competitive types don't worry about the past and just get on with the next challenge.

 

[The_BigFella]

Stkilda are paying overs for better players and did not give up first round draft picks for cerra, saad

We were all pretty excited about Gov, Martin and Williams at the time. Gov has been a massive letdown, while Martin and Williams could have been very solid if not for constant injuries.

As for the Saints, it’ll take few years before we can fairly judge what they’ve done. TDK has had some good spells, Jsos is injured more often than not with just one strong half-season, and Aleer looks pretty average to me. Pick 7 and 900k is massive overs for Flanders.

Nothing the Saints have done screams “amazing.” I refuse to give them the time of day outside this post; they’re still completely irrelevant in my eyes, and true to form, they’ll mess it up like they always do.

 

[Crippa#9]

So if Curnow's manager is talking to the likes of Holmes, can he offer anything? Eg Would Curnow pay Holmes a sign-on bonus?

Heard from someone in the know last Friday. Holmes won't be traded - categorically. The player that Geelong are preparing to centre their Curnow negotiations around is Gryan Miers who is managed by Liam Pickering. I don't believe Miers is even aware of that yet but that's what I heard from a trusted source.

(Carlton should be a firm NO on this by the way. It's just what I've heard).

 

[carlton_99]

Heard from someone in the know last Friday. Holmes won't be traded - categorically. The player that Geelong are preparing to centre their Curnow negotiations around is Gryan Miers who is managed by Liam Pickering. I don't even believe Miers is even aware of that yet but that's what I heard from a trusted source.

(Carlton should be a firm NO on this by the way. It's just what I've heard).

I saw Pickering on a clip online from one of those shows on 7 yesterday and he said he has not heard anything from Geelong about Miers and is not expecting to hear anything from them about him. So backs up your last point.

Edit: Starts from 0.50 in the clip below. Says "that won't be happening" so have to assume there is no interest from Miers to move.

 

[Gavstar]

We were all pretty excited about Gov, Martin and Williams at the time. Gov has been a massive letdown, while Martin and Williams could have been very solid if not for constant injuries.

As for the Saints, it’ll take few years before we can fairly judge what they’ve done. TDK has had some good spells, Jsos is injured more often than not with just one strong half-season, and Aleer looks pretty average to me. Pick 7 and 900k is massive overs for Flanders.

Nothing the Saints have done screams “amazing.” I refuse to give them the time of day outside this post; they’re still completely irrelevant in my eyes, and true to form, they’ll mess it up like they always do.

Wasn't excited by Williams being recruited as midfielder he was an elite half back but with an injury history. Recruited despite having Saad, Doherty and Newman all competing for his natural position, it was dumb recruiting. We recruited injury prone players and its cost us big time.

TDK has the potential to be a great ruck but at that price madness, chucking the same money at Sam Darcy would be far more worth the gamble. Saints might regret overpaying an injury prone JSOS.

 

[The Bighouse]

Heard from someone in the know last Friday. Holmes won't be traded - categorically. The player that Geelong are preparing to centre their Curnow negotiations around is Gryan Miers who is managed by Liam Pickering. I don't even believe Miers is even aware of that yet but that's what I heard from a trusted source.

(Carlton should be a firm NO on this by the way. It's just what I've heard).

Not that interested in Holmes.

Struggle to get around barracking for a Gryan. Too ferret-like for mine. Pass on him too.

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

I'm leaning firmly back toward Charlie staying.

Sydney the only realistic option.

Media climbing aboard the Geelong train is laughable. Brad Johnson

Brad Johnson

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5.6

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proposed Geelong's first and Brad Close with a straight face.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Brad Johnson proposed Geelong's first and Brad Close with a straight face

You mean as one of half a dozen progressively better options he asked Barrett if he would accept?

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

Not that interested in Holmes.

Struggle to get around barracking for a Gryan. Too ferret-like for mine. Pass on him too.

A package involving Miers would mean Geelong are serious. Which is why it won't happen.

He would be near perfect for our forward line. He takes the hard work out of forward craft.

 

[sweethoney]

You mean as one of half a dozen progressively better options he asked Barrett if he would accept?

Even Barrett turned all those options Johnson threw at him down

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

You mean as one of half a dozen progressively better options he asked Barrett if he would accept?

It was the third of the supposedly progressively better options.

The next supposedly better proposal was O'Sullivan and 35.

The fact that these sorts of scenarios are being floated should indicate just how unrealistic a trade with Geelong is.

 

[Red_man2008]

I saw Pickering on a clip online from one of those shows on 7 yesterday and he said he has not heard anything from Geelong about Miers and is not expecting to hear anything from them about him. So backs up your last point.

Edit: Starts from 0.50 in the clip below. Says "that won't be happening" so have to assume there is no interest from Miers to move.

I thought Carlton were ranked no. 1-2 for moving the ball from def 50 to fwd 50. We also had the best forward line in the afl in 2023-early 2024. What happened to that. Our game plan only changed slightly.

Here is Charlie’s issues. He doesn’t run smartly. He’s greedy when n no staking outside 50 rather than using his other forwards. He stands under the high ball rather than leading. All Charlie problems. Not Carlton problems.

 

[Sonny Jim]

Doesn't have many AFL traits and is extremely small. Works hard but that only gets you so far in professional sport unfortunately.

Isn't Nick Watson the shortest or second shortest player in the comp?
Hope we only consider this kid on his ability.

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

I thought Carlton were ranked no. 1-2 for moving the ball from def 50 to fwd 50.

I don't know about the exact parameters, but Jack was rated the number one defense to attack KPD by Champion Data.

Might be scoring chains that started with a KPD or something like that.

 

[koutashoulda1_1]

I think it does make sense, but happy for you to disagree.

If you’re not using the draft value index to value trades, then the only other alternative is pick differential, ie: how many spots did you gain/lose in a trade. But it’s much more valuable to move 5 spots in the first rounds than in the third.

The points are used to match bids, but the value of the points are relative to the value of the picks - it’s not a linear value, it reflects that higher picks are more valuable than lower ones. But you can’t ignore the lower value picks that come back in trades. Clubs spend a lot of time haggling over those later pick swaps to balance deals, so they obviously value them and look to enter the draft with the best hand they can after trades.

Once draft night hits, I think the importance of both goes out the window when the pick isn’t a number, but is a player. Its why clubs pay considerable overs to move up a few spots, because the know that it means access to a particular player.

Think there is probably a correlation, but also think that practical value outweighs anything to do with points valuations.

The haggling about later pick swaps, for example, is (to my mind) a symptom of the practical need to have a late pick coming back, which allows clubs to take their minimum number of picks. Not due to whinging about differences of points value in the tens or twenties.

Similar for early pick swaps, where say a pick 9 this year for us is worth a lot less than two later picks due to the practical reality of bids coming for Dean. And less than the same pick next year in a stronger draft.

I wont be judging Austin on points value, it will be based on how many practical solutions to our problems can he make per the very few numbers of moves that are practically possible during a trade/draft period. He's done reasonably well in this respect so far imo.

 

[RPCB]

You mean as one of half a dozen progressively better options he asked Barrett if he would accept?

I just felt cells sprinting away from my brain.

 

[SolGoodman]

Gotta say, I'm loving Kanes effort to raise Charlie's price tag, cheers

 

[Its an amigo!]

Any further info on King Charles post yesterday re Swans Eagles Port.

Would never happen, but I could dream:

Carlton - Butters
Sydney - Curnow
Port - Pick 2 (West Coast)
West Coast - Warner brothers.

and then pick swaps here and there to even it all out. ie i think Port would want more.

 

[RPCB]

Charlie is more likely to play for Werribee centrals next year than for Geelong. Legitimately a 0.5% chance

It’s Geelong. Everyone turns over for a belly rub in the trade period when trading with them.

Hopefully we don’t.

 

[Bundy Bear Bogan]

I thought his body is cooked hence we had no choice

so we can send cinc to the stkilda retirement village?

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Isn't Nick Watson the shortest or second shortest player in the comp?
Hope we only consider this kid on his ability.

Dovaston is probably a better comparison to Watson in this draft