List Mgmt. 2025 Trade/FA Thread (Cont’d)

[Jen2310]

I’d like to know who the Gold Coast is losing to pay for Petracca at the same time they’ve just re-signed Rowell?

Flanders and maybe Ainsworth?

 

[Stripes B and W]

I think he's a chance as back up ruck.

Im happy to keep him as back up ruck. Buller is an unknown ( to me anyway ) ruck commodity and anyone who watched a single VFL game would be aware Cox has young Steene covered as a ruckman by a considerable margin.
If we could find an adequate back up ruck for next to zero draft capital, maybe a Soldo type, then all well and good. Cox would also be a close to minimum salary.

Going into a season with DC, Buller, Steene and Frampton just isn't going to do it

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Flanders and maybe Ainsworth?

Well Ainsworth is apparently also wanting a trade, if possible, so he could well be a Melbourne player next season......

 

[BillyElliott]

If Humprey chooses us.

You're probably going to see Jamie Elliott end up at GC after all.

What?

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

If Humprey chooses us.

You're probably going to see Jamie Elliott end up at GC after all.

Why would that happen??

 

[Jen2310]

Well Ainsworth is apparently also wanting a trade, if possible, so he could well be a Melbourne player next season......

Thats why I put him as an option

 

[brysie]

AFL are so desperate for their pet project to work - they’ll bend the rules to make it happen.

Has there been any confirmation that Gold Coast have the same salary cap as other teams, or is it just a question no-one has asked?

Same for any northern expansion team really.

 

[ant22]

Interesting point you made about Oliver's kicking/ disposal. 14.7% of his disposals this year are direct turnovers. Did you know that 17% of Josh Daicos' possessions for this year resulted in direct turnover? 66% of Josh's disposals were uncontested. 47% of Oliver's possessions were contested. Oliver's skills are nowhere near the worst in the AFL. They are not even worst for midfielders.

Stats can be a bit misleading. A lot of elite kicks have a high turnover rate as they are more attacking in the way the kick the ball. The Daicos boys are both very aggressive when they kick. The issue with Oliver over the last couple of years are not the clangers is the other 85% that don’t really hurt the opposition. Eg handballs and kicks that are considered effective but don’t really put his side in a better position.

For Oliver to be worth it he’d need to go back to being a clearance bull who gives it off to more attacking and effective ball users.

 

[TakingThePies]

Why would that happen??

Didn't Gold Coast just offer him 3 years?

We would 100% turn Elliott in ona deal to get Humphreys. Would drive Elliott myself to the airport.

 

[TakingThePies]

Stats can be a bit misleading. A lot of elite kicks have a high turnover rate as they are more attacking in the way the kick the ball. The Daicos boys are both very aggressive when they kick. The issue with Oliver over the last couple of years are not the clangers is the other 85% that don’t really hurt the opposition. Eg handballs and kicks that are considered effective but don’t really put his side in a better position.

For Oliver to be worth it he’d need to go back to being a clearance bull who gives it off to more attacking and effective ball users.

This topic just shows how silly people on here are.

The same was literally said about Tom Mitchell when he came up at the end of 2022.

 

[Apex36]

They literally did what you would do if you wanted a player to leave but didn’t want to lose bargaining power.

They did this for both Petracca and Oliver.

Petracca had takers, Oliver didn’t, which is why now, 6 weeks after their season ended (not at exit meetings) they are pushing oliver out with a salary dump.

Your made up fantasy is cute

 

[BillyElliott]

Didn't Gold Coast just offer him 3 years?

We would 100% turn Elliott in ona deal to get Humphreys. Would drive Elliott myself to the airport.

Elliott chose us.

And the club absolutely would not do that.

 

[yeah man]

This topic just shows how silly people on here are.

The shit you're saying at the moment would indicate you're a firm member of the Silly People™ group

 

[Mick F]

Boys how can we came the Humpphrey deal happen?
Your ideas?

We need to replace six quality players over the next 24 months. We aren’t in a position to give two to get one.

 

[sr36]

Stats can be a bit misleading. A lot of elite kicks have a high turnover rate as they are more attacking in the way the kick the ball. The Daicos boys are both very aggressive when they kick. The issue with Oliver over the last couple of years are not the clangers is the other 85% that don’t really hurt the opposition. Eg handballs and kicks that are considered effective but don’t really put his side in a better position.

For Oliver to be worth it he’d need to go back to being a clearance bull who gives it off to more attacking and effective ball users.

Yep. Plus I'd be willing to bet a much higher percentage of Josh's possessions are kickscompared to Clarry.

 

[granniewolf]

We need to replace six quality players over the next 24 months. We aren’t in a position to give two to get one.

Some of them will come from last year's draft.
As well as others yet to debut in the seniors.

 

[Mick F]

What is strange is how many people get sucked in by lazy journalism, the equation is always the same, big-name + Collingwood = clicks and even better when the suckers spread it around.

Probably best not to buy the Melbourne Truth or Sun.

 

[Apex36]

I think you are mistaken in this case. You don't let a 1.4 million dollar star asset "assess his options" unless you want them gone. And clubs now know this in addition the lingering bad blood from last year. There is no universe where demons will get a deal beneficial once the player is half way out the door. Melbourne are not standing in his way so therefore will not get a great deal. Semantic trade week gobblydy gook about being happy to let him chat to teams or else be happy to have him back is complete and utter crap and rings hollow. You also don't lead negotiations from a position of weakness. They don't want him anymore which is clear reading between the lines. He will be at another club and they'll take unders to get his contract off their books. Unlike Humphrey who would fetch a premium as it is clear Gold coast do not want to lose him.

Petracca wanted out last year and Melbourne refused, hoping they could mend bridges. That didn’t happen so they’re letting him walk knowing they can get good currency. It’s a far cry from Oliver who they’re pushing out. I can guarantee that the demons will walk away likely with something like Flanders and a decent pick for Trac, since they made it very clear that they would trade him “if a suitable deal” could be reached. It also explains why Trac has gone from wanting to go to a Melbourne based powerhouse club, to Adelaide or GC. His management have identified clubs that can get a deal done.

 

[Finnishpie]

AFL are so desperate for their pet project to work - they’ll bend the rules to make it happen.

To be fair, half the clubs including us are pet projects. Just look at the TV prime spots we get.

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

Rowan Marshall off to Geeeeelong.

Not happy with TDK

Underrated player. Instantly makes them better.

 

[Vankri]

Interesting point you made about Oliver's kicking/ disposal. 14.7% of his disposals this year are direct turnovers. Did you know that 17% of Josh Daicos' possessions for this year resulted in direct turnover? 66% of Josh's disposals were uncontested. 47% of Oliver's possessions were contested. Oliver's skills are nowhere near the worst in the AFL. They are not even worst for midfielders.

Sure but if you’ve got access to advanced stats I would love to see i50 kick retention rates for both players, I imagine that would paint a different picture.

But beyond stats, here’s something that stands out to me like a sore thumb:

R13 Dees vs Pies, a few minutes to go, Melbourne is about to run over us and pinch the win, until Oliver going forward with low to no pressure executes one of the worst kicks you’ll see and send the ball OOB. We move the ball to their d50 and win the game.

Now you might say that’s just one example. Fast forward to the Dees vs Saints game the following month, there’s a few minutes to go and the Dees are about to win a close one, until yet again Oliver executes one of the worst kicks of the year at a crucial time and the rest is history.

Oliver is 100% a player you want to ask to handball first at all costs and dish it out to others for the kick. Problem is we already have one of those in Long so despite his strengths on the inside I’m not sure it’s who we want if the price isn’t heavily tilted in our favour in salary and pick.

 

[Finnishpie]

Boys how can we came the Humpphrey deal happen?
Your ideas?

Gonna have to trade someone out, and then also use a future pick? I dunno if we can use future picks though. Those rules I don't understand.

 

[gouki88]

Yep. Plus I'd be willing to bet a much higher percentage of Josh's possessions are kickscompared to Clarry.

 

[Finnishpie]

We need to replace six quality players over the next 24 months. We aren’t in a position to give two to get one.

Yeah, this is gonna be difficult.

 

[gouki88]

Underrated player. Instantly makes them better.

Massive position of need too.