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Andrew Hastie

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The Punter said:
In all seriousness, Ms Ley has been in the job for a short time and deserves a good go. Apart from taking a little too long to deal with Senator Nampijinpa Price, I don't think she has made too many mistakes since becoming Opposition Leader.
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She actually had a win that week by forcing the government into changes on its aged care plan and speeding up the process. A clear win for her, except it has been completely drowned out by Price’s anti Indian comments and Hastie’s barely subtle campaign for leader.
 
schneebly111 said:
There you go again. The “individualism road” - so all societies will eventually accept that Western culture is the “norm” and will adopt their culture.

It’s hard to accept anything but Western culture will reign supreme if that’s what you’ve been brought up on (or in Hastie’s case indoctrinated into it) but the centre of gravity of world affairs is moving towards the centre of that circle.

Australians can adapt to it (and that by combining our cultures, not purely adopting Asian values as soon here have tried to strawman me) or it can go the way of the declining U.S. empire.

I would say we already have - Australia took a far stricter approach to COVID, both borders and vaccine mandates, than most western countries did. I believe because our culture is already subtly being influenced by Asian culture we adopted those measures without too much pushback.

Or the other hand if Hastie somehow becomes PM you think we’ll all be flocking back to churches, waving little flags around on Jan 26 and boasting about our “individual rights and freedoms”?
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"I am an individual, God says I can own a gun, I will shoot you if I don't like you, I will rip you off before you rip me off, I steal and con my way to millions and if you don't like it, I'll shoot you 'cause God says I have the right to do so.?" The individualism road" is alive and in practice in the US.
 
schneebly111 said:
Back to the subject at hand.

Rumours going around the internet the National Right faction (that’s its official name) powerbrokers reportedly told Taylor last week he is no longer their preferred candidate for leadership, that mantle is now officially Hastie.
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Oh no, that's a National shame!
 
schneebly111 said:
I personally think it’s time Australia embraced more Eastern values (not solely eastern but a mix of western and eastern). Collective rights, a higher value on education, more respect for harmony in society

With our position in Asia and now approaching a quarter of us being of Asian descent anyway it’s time to combine both cultures into one.

I’m European descent but I have no problem with this country adopting a few more Eastern values.
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I like the concept of 'face', especially the bit about the one who cracks it and raises the voice and gets angry instead of keeping an even tone becomes the loser by default. Each side maintaining dignity would prevent so many potential escalations into violence.
 

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Geelong_Sicko said:
I like the concept of 'face', especially the bit about the one who cracks it and raises the voice and gets angry instead of keeping an even tone becomes the loser by default. Each side maintaining dignity would prevent so many potential escalations into violence.
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Unfortunately with our current political and media climate if you go on a rant you’re almost seen as the default champion. Look at how Katter’s recent racist rant has become a meme for edgelords to joke about. The biggest, angriest, loudest voices are held up as ‘winners’ even if they’re incorrect
 
The Punter said:
The US have cultural issues all of their own; that is to say, they are unique US issues rather than Western issues. Of course we need to adapt at some level, but there are just things that have enabled us to be who we are: capitalism, pluralism, democracy, commitment to institutions, liberalism. A lot of those don't work as well as they should if we lean too much to collectivism.

The COVID example: I think we went harder because our geographical circumstances made these much more likely to be effective than in other places where the cat was largely already out of the bag. And we are a largely compliant people, contrary to the popular belief. We won't be as compliant next time because trust was abused. Brett Sutton's remarks of last week are a good indicator of why compliance will be lesser next time.

We won't be flocking back to churches any time soon, but that's not in spite of Western values. I mean, I'm a Catholic and free will is a key teaching of the church.

The Punter said:
The Punter said:
Me.

In all seriousness, Ms Ley has been in the job for a short time and deserves a good go. Apart from taking a little too long to deal with Senator Nampijinpa Price, I don't think she has made too many mistakes since becoming Opposition Leader.
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With today’s precursor to Hastie’s eventual leadership spill here’s conservative Herald Sun columnist James Campbell’s take on Hastie’s recent actions, and even Campbell is warning Hastie he’s pushed way too far right to be electable:

 
Geeze Andy, a bit too Hastie weren't you? Now you've left in a huff the LNP won't let you back in again. You'll have to join Family Nation or One First or whatever those effing cookers call themselves these days.

EDIT: My mistake. Andy has NOT quit the Party, just Sussan Ley's shadow cabinet/front bench. I was a bit too Hastie it seems!

www.abc.net.au

Andrew Hastie quits shadow cabinet

Shadow Home Affairs Minister and Liberal leadership aspirant Andrew Hastie has quit Sussan Ley's shadow ministry, citing a disagreement over the party's immigration policy.
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Geelong_Sicko said:
Geeze Andy, a bit too Hastie weren't you? Now you've left in a huff the LNP won't let you back in again. You'll have to join Family Nation or One First or whatever those effing cookers call themselves these days.
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Lol did he quit?
 
Chief said:
Lol did he quit?
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Ah no, I misread that. He's quit the LNP shadow cabinet/front bench only.

www.abc.net.au

Andrew Hastie quits shadow cabinet

Shadow Home Affairs Minister and Liberal leadership aspirant Andrew Hastie has quit Sussan Ley's shadow ministry, citing a disagreement over the party's immigration policy.
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Usually, someone in Hastie's position would have a plan for this scenario, I.e. confident of numbers to topple Ley. I'm wondering if he actually knows the numbers though, or he's just banking on the non-existent being he "worships" magically convincing enough Libs to vote for him. Like Dutton, I'm not convinced he's as smart as he thinks.
 

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this isn't america andrew. the credlinites will kiil your party,"

"To be clear, it has proved to be pretty dumb politics, as evidenced in the votes of the Chinese diaspora in two consecutive elections. Price’s recent remarks on immigration generally, as well as her comments targeting Indian immigrants specifically, and Hastie’s attack on immigration policy can be expected to have similar electoral consequences. I am told that right-wing commentary on mass immigration is already killing the Liberal Party in Western Sydney. What a tragic and utterly predictable outcome."


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Andrew Hastie’s play for the leadership

There should be little doubt that Andrew Hastie is already running for the Liberal leadership. While not yet directly challenging Sussan Ley, he has made several tightly crafted statements on key policy issues designed to differentiate himself from her and other leadership aspirants. He is...
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The references to becoming strangers in our own country is clearly dog-whistling to racists who say 'Australia's becoming like India - spot the Aussie!' I think the Voice referendum showed just how racist Australia is. Therefore, I think his anti-immigration rhetoric will land well with at least some people, even in the cities.

However, I think his right-wing politics overall will fail to capture the Albanese centre, the huge chunk of middle Australia that delivered Albo the thumping majority. More than that, if I were him I would not be positioning myself for the leadership so soon after a thumping loss. Why become opposition leader now when you can let Ley or Taylor fail and let people get sick of Labor?
 
Rotayjay said:
The references to becoming strangers in our own country is clearly dog-whistling to racists who say 'Australia's becoming like India - spot the Aussie!' I think the Voice referendum showed just how racist Australia is. Therefore, I think his anti-immigration rhetoric will land well with at least some people, even in the cities.

However, I think his right-wing politics overall will fail to capture the Albanese centre, the huge chunk of middle Australia that delivered Albo the thumping majority. More than that, if I were him I would not be positioning myself for the leadership so soon after a thumping loss. Why become opposition leader now when you can let Ley or Taylor fail and let people get sick of Labor?
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Agree, I would wait till after the next election, before is just too (I really trying not to say it) premature. He does seem to becoming Trumpian in nature which is disturbing. The Libs need to go the other way and get the teals back along with their votes.
 
Hastie is a political novice. And relatively isolated in a power/faction sense being from WA.

So who is pulling his strings and why?

When it comes to 'who', two obvious names come immediately to mind - Kerry Stokes and Gina Rinehart. The 'why' is not so easily guessed at - not if you want to be rational anyway.
 
Festerz said:
Hastie is a political novice. And relatively isolated in a power/faction sense being from WA.

So who is pulling his strings and why?

When it comes to 'who', two obvious names come immediately to mind - Kerry Stokes and Gina Rinehart. The 'why' is not so easily guessed at - not if you want to be rational anyway.
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He's very close to Tony Abbott, apparently.
 

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Festerz said:
Hastie is a political novice. And relatively isolated in a power/faction sense being from WA.

So who is pulling his strings and why?

When it comes to 'who', two obvious names come immediately to mind - Kerry Stokes and Gina Rinehart. The 'why' is not so easily guessed at - not if you want to be rational anyway.
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It’s not Kerry Stokes. He hates him because he testified against Ben Roberts Smith
 
Gough said:
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Undoubtedly there is an ideological aspect to Hastie’s crusade, he obviously wants the party further right than it is.

But this shows there’s also a lot of personal attacks behind the scenes (aka Rudd v Gillard). I’m sure a lot of the LNP kingmakers think Hastie is acting as a law unto himself and needs to be reigned in. They’re not happy about handing over the leadership to him because of his behind the scenes behaviour.

They’re same way I’m sure a lot of them were happy when Jacinta got booted from the shadow cabinet as she had just been parachuted in from the Nationals and they felt she didn’t deserve her place
 

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