Rumour Bluemour Discussion XL - ‘Silly Season’ in full swing 😱

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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[Opium]

Culture was far worse under the coaches before him and ultimately he can't control some petulant cry babies like Jack walking out the door for more coin.

I don't think Voss is a great coach (and he may well be a crap one for all we know) but I have, and still do, blame the list and high performance team more than the coaches. List has been extraordinarily imbalanced and relied on half a dozen hyper injury prone outside players to be fit and healthy to unlock out our best footy.

He's failed as head coach twice. Both times he's left the club in a much worse position at the end of his tenure.

 

[Wickzki]

Culture was far worse under the coaches before him and ultimately he can't control some petulant cry babies like Jack walking out the door for more coin.

I don't think Voss is a great coach (and he may well be a crap one for all we know) but I have, and still do, blame the list and high performance team more than the coaches. List has been extraordinarily imbalanced and relied on half a dozen hyper injury prone outside players to be fit and healthy to unlock out our best footy.

When they've all been on the park we've played some outstanding football. Unfortunately that just never happened for more than a couple of weeks at a time most years.

Spot on AFAIC.

Said list was also subsequently gutted and replaced with kids.

Fair enough if you think we need a rebuild or reset but don't outwardly state that you're aiming for top 4 when you've dropped a dozen AFL experienced players and replaced them with 4 (including 2 players on the SSP market).

 

[Gavstar]

Ridiculous comment.

It’s actually a perfect example of what Voss spoke about and a lack of resilience. You are advocating for quitting when it gets hard.

Of course we need more than just words. But it’s October, what do you want them to do?

The hard call from a budget point of view (CEO main concern) is sacking Voss early, a resilient club would make the early call even if it looks bad from outside

 

[yibbida]

pattern of clubs playing groups being broken under him as head coach.

Not this shit again.

Are you related to AFL Legends Billy Longer or Patrick Karnezis by any chance?

 

[SurreyBlue]

Spot on AFAIC.

Said list was also subsequently gutted and replaced with kids.

Fair enough if you think we need a rebuild or reset but don't outwardly state that you're aiming for top 4 when you've dropped a dozen AFL experienced players and replaced them with 4 (including 2 players on the SSP market).

This has been the players gripe this year and hence the fractions and players wanting out. No one was aligned.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

He's failed as head coach twice. Both times he's left the club in a much worse position at the end of his tenure.

He's been our most successful coach in over a decade and he still has a year to run.

 

[Wickzki]

He's failed as head coach twice. Both times he's left the club in a much worse position at the end of his tenure.

It's not Vossy's fault that Austin and Agresta gutted the list the last 2 years which is the primary reason the players have become disillusioned.

Instead of building on a preliminary finals base they've torn it to shreds.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I call it as I see it. He can't coach and now the culture of the place is stuffed. All under his watch.

Was it really ALL under his watch?

How was our culture under Malthouse?

What about Bolton? Teague?

Malthouse stuffed things up royally...

Bolton was left with the pieces...

Teague couldn't pick up said pieces...

Voss at least got them to buy in... and I'm not backing down on that... in 23 we had a plethora of injured best 22 players yet still found a way to beat a host of top 8 teams, including top 4 teams at the time too...

I get the feeling this playing group is the common denominator here, and they have had it their way for far too long.

 

[BlueTongue]

I've seen enough. Voss isn't the right coach to bring us a premiership.

Resigning or sacking is accountability everything else is just words

Maybe but GW has backed him in for 2026, or at least the start of it.

We don't know if that decision was made to tread water until Longmire has had his rest, or someone else has become available.

Careful Opium. The pro Voss brigade are out hunting together and they’re hungry. Eager for more cheap words and no action or results on field.

Regardless, the decision has been made, you don't have to like it (personally, I'm on the fence), but you don't have to endlessly whinge about it either.

 

[Opium]

It's not Vossy's fault that Austin and Agresta gutted the list the last 2 years which is the primary reason the players have become disillusioned.

Instead of building on a preliminary finals base they've torn it to shreds.

So the coach has no say in who he wants to retain on the list? I don't buy that excuse.

 

[Bennyboy7777]

Graham Wright comes out and says Voss isn't the issue and remains head coach.
Voss publicly admits culturally the club is defeated and not resilient? What is going on in that football club.

Mentally weak players are the issue. Weitering raised this issue in interviews earlier in the year. Fish rots at the head. Maybe Voss realises he needs to be less cuddly, as may the players who are in the leadership group? I’m just speculating, I have no inside knowledge.

Love that Walsh and Weitering have been blunt in interviews. Cut the BS!!! Is Cripps the right guy to lead us? Should Curnow have ever been in the leadership group??? Voss and our leadership group need to lay down the effing law, IMHO!!!!!

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Spot on AFAIC.

Said list was also subsequently gutted and replaced with kids.

Fair enough if you think we need a rebuild or reset but don't outwardly state that you're aiming for top 4 when you've dropped a dozen AFL experienced players and replaced them with 4 (including 2 players on the SSP market).

Seeing how some of these players have carried themselves since the end of the season (Docherty on podcasts and JSOS with Fly etc) has left me happy and excited for the future despite the list clearly going backwards.

Have 0 interest in catering to their selfish cry baby attitudes and am glad to see the back of them.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see us rebound next year and overachieve with a lesser list purely because we've let the sooks exit the place who have clearly caused drama and cliques that hindered the club and staff.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So the coach has no say in who he wants to retain on the list? I don't buy that excuse.

Voss wanted Houston. He got Jagga.

Ultimately the list team has final say.

 

[Carltonfc9]

This has been the players gripe this year and hence the fractions and players wanting out. No one was aligned.

100% but I think alot of this falls back onto sos besides that 2015 draft, dekoning and walsh he has done a horrible job recruiting for us aswell as bringing in big money recruits mgovern martin and Williams
We have over paid to many mediocre players and Austin is still trying to fix this mess and thats why we have such a age gap of class from that 2015 draft

 

[Opium]

Mentally weak players are the issue. Weitering raised this issue in interviews earlier in the year. Fish rots at the head. Maybe Voss realises he needs to be less cuddly, as may the players who are in the leadership group? I’m just speculating, I have no inside knowledge.

Love that Walsh and Weitering have been blunt in interviews. Cut the BS!!! Is Cripps the right guy to lead us? Should Curnow have ever been in the leadership group??? Voss and our leadership group need to lay down the effing law, IMHO!!!!!

There has been talk all year about standards and players regularly turning up late for training and meetings and nothing was done about it. That falls on the leaders and coach.

 

[Sonny Jim]

Delusional thinking. Voss has been a horror show outside of a lucky run at the end of 2013. How you’re trying to spin him as a quality coach is beyond me.

Nothing lucky about it.
Players busted their arses and the team went well.
This year half the team was out of sorts from game 1 and didn't recover until the season was completely shot, the pressure was off, and plenty of energy and enthusiasm was provided by junior players as opposed to senior players.
It was a shit year. It happens.

Voss is right.
Club needs pull it together and become more than the sum of its parts. That's not 100% on the head coach.
Success won't happen until this does, and also a little luck.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Mentally weak players are the issue. Weitering raised this issue in interviews earlier in the year. Fish rots at the head. Maybe Voss realises he needs to be less cuddly, as may the players who are in the leadership group? I’m just speculating, I have no inside knowledge.

Love that Walsh and Weitering have been blunt in interviews. Cut the BS!!! Is Cripps the right guy to lead us? Should Curnow have ever been in the leadership group??? Voss and our leadership group need to lay down the effing law, IMHO!!!!!

Haynes said similar about bringing in the youth about half way through the year. Sounded like he could hardly believe how conditional some of the senior players were in that interview.

 

[Opium]

Voss wanted Houston. He got Jagga.

Ultimately the list team has final say.

Thank God we didn't listen to Voss. Getting Houston would've been a disaster.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

There has been talk all year about standards and players regularly turning up late for training and meetings and nothing was done about it. That falls on the leaders and coach.

Where has it been reported that players were turning up late for training and meetings?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Thank God we didn't listen to Voss. Getting Houston would've been a disaster.

Point still remains. List manager decides who comes and goes, not the coach.

 

[Opium]

Voss wanted Houston. He got Jagga.

Ultimately the list team has final say.

I was specifically talking about players already on the list. Coach will always have a say. But thankfully we didn't get Houston

 

[Blue_Fusion]

It's not Vossy's fault that Austin and Agresta gutted the list the last 2 years which is the primary reason the players have become disillusioned.

Instead of building on a preliminary finals base they've torn it to shreds.

He would have had a say in that too Wicks...

I reckon we just didn't have the room to go after anyone post 23 season.

Post 24, it was clear as day our midfield was lacking and hence going after Jagga rather than Houston was the smart move, in hindsight, it clearly was too...

The biggest list issues still stem from SOS's draft stuff up from 16-19... failed to pick up a few quality mids. Austin had to try and be creative hence the Williams as a mid idea, luring Cerra over etc. Had no top 10 picks to work with until last year.

The belief would have rightly been that Dow, SPS, Fish, LOB etc would eventually come good as our mids so they tried drafting small forwards with our first pick - hence the Durdin and Motlop selections... obv that hasn't panned out and if you look back at those drafts, could say we missed Paul Curtis.. but so did a lot of other clubs...

The writing was on the wall with our aging midfield post 24 though...

 

[entitled supporters]

Hope Voss and the new appointments turn it around it's been disappointing,I can't see any value in running down the whole club don't think that's going to assist in the long run.Could be egg all over faces

 

[carlton_99]

Resigning or sacking is accountability everything else is just words

So the only way anyone can take accountability at work is by resigning or being sacked? That makes zero sense

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Voss wanted Houston. He got Jagga.

Ultimately the list team has final say.

Not exactly how it worked... Voss would have compromised his stance to align with them on that. They would have convinced him to do so or he did it to keep the peace. Either way, he wasn't overruled and told to sit down...

It's all a collaborative process.